TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is a really aggressive opening if lady is scum. Feeling kinda townie to me with the excited theory. I should sleep but I do love reading game openings that are moving this fast.

this is null for me, don't town read me for this

I'm literally executing understood and practiced game theory for this game there's nothing here that scum me doesn't do.

Do you have a game you can link to that you opened this emotionally aggressively as scum?

Why would I show you that?

Like, what I am doing is neutral, but you're asking me to show you if I'm this aggressive as scum.

The townie in me wants to say "no" and maybe you don't find one, but the answer is undoubtably yes I just don't have one in mind because it's common enough as an occurance.

Because you bothered to press what I thought was townie was neutral, so why not take it a step further and show me you're capable of it as scum proving the neutral read?

like to be clear I bothered to press you on it because giving me an easy townread for something like that does't really help me read you and it's just not going to be true a large swath of the time anyway.

so I'd rather you look into other things and read me on that eventually giving me an opportunity to read you as a result.

You can get a read on me through other interactions. Not everything I say about you has to give you a read on me.

Harder when you have a stated townread on me that is easy to back up into. I'm susceptible to pocketing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

fwiw i'm probably giving lld the day pass.
developed gamestates are the best gamestates to try to read LLD in

you make me so fucking nervous lmfao

[Ythan]

We think you're trying to bait me into a flame war

didn't you start it?

No. If I'm mistaken please explain.

[Alisae]

I think LLD's range is infinite.
She probably starts the game this way as both alignments.

I feel Ythan reacts how she did as both alignments as well fwiw, their alignment will probably be clearer the longer day goes on

[Ythan]

Compelling stuff.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We think you're trying to bait me into a flame war

didn't you start it?

No. If I'm mistaken please explain.

you literally did i'm fhasdjkalsdsfkj

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it must be nice to be so ego locked that you can in the same breath attempt to bait me into getting angrier (and have that pointed out by Alisae) and then turn around and accuse ME of trying to draw YOU into a flame war.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think LLD's range is infinite.
She probably starts the game this way as both alignments.

I feel Ythan reacts how she did as both alignments as well fwiw, their alignment will probably be clearer the longer day goes on

no they're fucking town Alisae how fucking obvious do you need it made

[Rad]

I make reads based on perceived emotions and how people interact with me. I don't think it's impossible for someone to approach a game this emotionally aggressively as scum but it sure does seem unlikely. It's not a game long town lock lld but it's pretty strong for an initial impression.

[Ythan]

We think you're trying to bait me into a flame war

didn't you start it?

No. If I'm mistaken please explain.

you literally did i'm fhasdjkalsdsfkj

You are equally welcome to explain how, that's open to anyone who wants to argue you didn't explode on me out of the blue for no reason.

[Alisae]

I think LLD's range is infinite.
She probably starts the game this way as both alignments.

I feel Ythan reacts how she did as both alignments as well fwiw, their alignment will probably be clearer the longer day goes on

no they're fucking town Alisae how fucking obvious do you need it made

I want to agree

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We think you're trying to bait me into a flame war like you know I am susceptible to but if that's the case your error was in not accounting for the fact that I like you.

they've been obvious town from this post

[Lady Lambdadelta]

scum doesn't make this post in this spot, it concedes an argument and puts them in a worse spot because again, see Egotism post above

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like no scum in their right mind especially with apparently their team backing them up with support says "okay make the posts you made before, have alisae comment that you're baiting LLD with them, then accuse LLD of baiting you into a flame war. That will make people believe your push and hop onboard."

[Ythan]

Fwiw I haven't tried to bait you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm fucking livid and I want to continue to yell at this slot until they engage with the fucking logic behind this whole thing and have that fucking conversation with me they've been refusing to have since page fucking 2 but they're not scum, not with that take

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fwiw I haven't tried to bait you.

given I think you're town at this point I suppose you must believe this is true

it's not.

[Alisae]

We think you're trying to bait me into a flame war

didn't you start it?

No. If I'm mistaken please explain.

I feel like you basically attacked LLD for not explaining how she got to the conclusion that a wolf is in the 6s and I felt the way you did so was aimed at trying to provoke them. I felt like 49 was probably not necessary and adds just more fuel to the fire? I felt like instead of trying to see their point of view you just aimed at pushing her like they were the enemy.

You could come out with a push like this as both alignments but I think you're town. I too thought that if LLD didn't make sense she was likely a wolf in the past as well and I pushed town!LLD for the logic that she didn't make sense in the past as well but it's not like it's impossible for it to come from a wolf. I just think it's probably coming from a villager right now but I feel like if you're a villager it'll be a lot more obvious as the day goes on

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and you being like "i like you" "i'm not baiting you" only makes me more angry because now i'm wondering if there's something wrong with my fucking brain

[Ythan]

Fwiw I haven't tried to bait you.

given I think you're town at this point I suppose you must believe this is true

it's not.

Yes you totally know my intentions better than I do lol.

[Ythan]

We think you're trying to bait me into a flame war

didn't you start it?

No. If I'm mistaken please explain.

I feel like you basically attacked LLD for not explaining how she got to the conclusion that a wolf is in the 6s and I felt the way you did so was aimed at trying to provoke them. I felt like 49 was probably not necessary and adds just more fuel to the fire? I felt like instead of trying to see their point of view you just aimed at pushing her like they were the enemy.

You could come out with a push like this as both alignments but I think you're town. I too thought that if LLD didn't make sense she was likely a wolf in the past as well and I pushed town!LLD for the logic that she didn't make sense in the past as well but it's not like it's impossible for it to come from a wolf. I just think it's probably coming from a villager right now but I feel like if you're a villager it'll be a lot more obvious as the day goes on

Voting someone is not attempting to provoke them. Obviously. Obviously?

49 was a sincere brag.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fwiw I haven't tried to bait you.

given I think you're town at this point I suppose you must believe this is true

it's not.

Yes you totally know my intentions better than I do lol.

Intentions aren't results.

Do you need me to say my post above more fucking clearly?

"I'm sure you believe this is true because you believe what you are saying is not incendiary or frustrating or supposed to cause anger."

In other words, I'm sure you didn't intend to bait me but it's not true, you ARE baiting me I've been saying it since this started about page 3 and been consistent in saying that. And you have another player saying it too.

Your intentions does not always equate your results.

[Ythan]

and you being like "i like you" "i'm not baiting you" only makes me more angry because now i'm wondering if there's something wrong with my fucking brain

I have a history of being really inflammatory so I'm used to people assuming the worst idk.

[Ythan]

Fwiw I haven't tried to bait you.

given I think you're town at this point I suppose you must believe this is true

it's not.

Yes you totally know my intentions better than I do lol.

Intentions aren't results.

Do you need me to say my post above more fucking clearly?

"I'm sure you believe this is true because you believe what you are saying is not incendiary or frustrating or supposed to cause anger."

In other words, I'm sure you didn't intend to bait me but it's not true, you ARE baiting me I've been saying it since this started about page 3 and been consistent in saying that. And you have another player saying it too.

Your intentions does not always equate your results.

I said I hadn't tried to bait you. I used that wording intentionally.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We think you're trying to bait me into a flame war

didn't you start it?

No. If I'm mistaken please explain.

I feel like you basically attacked LLD for not explaining how she got to the conclusion that a wolf is in the 6s and I felt the way you did so was aimed at trying to provoke them. I felt like 49 was probably not necessary and adds just more fuel to the fire? I felt like instead of trying to see their point of view you just aimed at pushing her like they were the enemy.

You could come out with a push like this as both alignments but I think you're town. I too thought that if LLD didn't make sense she was likely a wolf in the past as well and I pushed town!LLD for the logic that she didn't make sense in the past as well but it's not like it's impossible for it to come from a wolf. I just think it's probably coming from a villager right now but I feel like if you're a villager it'll be a lot more obvious as the day goes on

Voting someone is not attempting to provoke them. Obviously. Obviously?

49 was a sincere brag.

Unless you are wrong in which case it is someone IGNORING THE FUCKING TOPIC OF CONVERSATION TO GET A FUCKING EGO STROKE ON WHILE THE PERSON YOU ARE DOING THIS WITH BEGS YOU TO ENGAGE THE ACTUAL TOPIC OF CONVERSATION