Mini 1683: <<11 PM>> [THE GAME IS OVER] [[BUT WHO WINS?!]]

[shos]

1000th post's pagetop is mine!

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edic looks devastated.

"I'm not sure what we can say to encourage him," Kingsley approaches you. Nobody could avoid the grief on Medic's face.

"I really don't know, either," you say. "I've never encountered something that, well, has such an impact on life when you fail. Not to mention that he sorta failed multiple times."
"You don't think there's a chance he lets them die on purpose, do you?" He asks you, looking in your eyes, straight up.


You look back at him in shock. You didn't even consider this.


You just can't find an answer.

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Vote Count #20.

Day 4 Deadline: (expired on 2015-08-11 23:31:11)

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Wagons are ordered by chronology. First wagon to appear appears first, and if it disappears it is back at the end of the line. First voter on wagon is first, etc.

E_Lou_Sive (1) - BlueMoonRising.

Not Voting (5): Ozgin, RedCoyote, E_Lou_Sive, Wanderer-nl, TellTaleHeart.

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Notes:

1.

E_Lou_Sive

is on V/LA from the 5th-12th of August. Considering this covers up about half of the day's end, I will think about what to do, if anything.
2. My own superbig hugeass buttcracking test is this Sunday. This means I am officially V/LA until then.[/color]

[Wanderer-nl]

I outlined why I don't bother with ELS, TTH, and Wanderer (or haven't, I should say), because I still believe that Klingon had a forrealsies breakdown and that her partner is most likely on her lynch wagon.

I also ranked everyone in some semblance of order, probably in the same post.

I think Klingon's breakdown was for real too, but I also think there is a possibility she used that frustration to direct us in a certain way. Why do you trust dying scum to tell the truth? Honestly, she got exactly what she wanted from saying what she did: divided town because we can't agree on whether Klingon was bussed or not. Can we please not exclude anyone just because a scum said something after being hammered while already being in an emotional state anyway?

[TellTaleHeart]

VOTE: E_Lou_Sive

TTH, are you voting scum?

Yes, in fact!

There's what I said previously in Post 623.

Spoiler:

Just finished my once-over of this game, and I'm currently working from town reads on: dramonic, Blue Moon, and Suzune. I think the best vote is E_Lou_Sive.

Both Simple Plan and ELS are fitting the behavioral profile of what I would expect in a multiball scum game: in the sweet spot between being too laid back and being too aggressive as to put themselves in the crosshairs for an NK. We see this in a couple places:

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Post 92: Making a show of backing off Papi Bear isn't really appropriate considering how little Papi did up to that point. He's also leaning

really

hard on cookie cutter theory to justify the dram vote.

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Post 186: He's obviously keeping up with the thread since he's commenting on recent things (also see: Post 122 and the comment on Soren), but the dram read is still based on the same stale, re-hashed "no lynch" thing.

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Post 483 from ELS makes a show of bringing up dragonspawn, but nothing comes of that. The commentary on "dram vs Ozgin" doesn't really do much for me since there's a ton of details that never get put into a big picture. :S

VOTE: E_Lou_Sive

A few other things:

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[Fits the profile for Klingon buddy, plopped in the "Null" list without explanation.]

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[Lampshading during Day 2.]

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[Have a varying shade of townread on everyone else.]

[Wanderer-nl]

VOTE: E_Lou_Sive[/post]

[E_Lou_Sive]

Since that's L-1, I guess I should claim. I'm a VT. Not scum, and not the watcher.

[Wanderer-nl]

Should have paid better attention to that, thought I was second vote.

UNVOTE: Will post mre later but got to go right now, sorry. Doesn't mean I believe him but we can take some time ro react to his claim. So lets go, I'll be back and I'm hoping for more activity. Especially Ozgin and RC, who happen to be my strongest townreads. Although after reading his iso I'm having small doubts. Again, gtg will post more later so sorry.

[Ozgin]

Whose ISO did you read and doubt? Mine or RC's?

[Wanderer-nl]

Oh right sorry in my hurry I wasn't clear. RC's.

So who are you scumreading Ozgin?

[Ozgin]

I honestly don't know.

I don't like that BMR has made two posts today, one being a vote on ELS and one being a defense of said vote. That is, at this stage of the game, an unacceptable amount of effort and communication of thought.

I want a more elaborate read/case from TTH on ELS, also. I think the bullet-points and the quoting of his old case from 400 posts ago isn't going to cut it to convince me that ELS is a scumboat. I am, however, interested enough in the points to ask more and not just dismiss them as junk.

I didn't like your quickvote into apology on ELS, putting him at L1. That... was not good. While you are one of my stronger town reads, doubt has been creeping in ever since the dramonic lynch.

I like that RC has asked me a question, but I would like more involvement and follow-up on this sort of thing. Again, more content would help me really grasp him, as is the case with BMR.

So in other words, I don't have a particularly strong scumread on anyone since the dramonic flip, it kind of shook me up. If I had a gun to my head and had to lynch one player right at this very second, it would be BMR. Second to BMR would be RC, and third to RC would be ELS. RC and ELS being on that list only because I still want to peg you as town and I'm interested still in what TTH has to say, and RC over ELS for no particular reason.

[shos]

Pre-prods have been sent to BMR and RC, since I'm gonna be crazy tomorrow

[BlueMoonRising]

ELS hasn't done one townish thing the whole game.

[Wanderer-nl]

Is that seriously all you have to add right now?

[Wanderer-nl]

I did reread but really didn't do anything with it because I can't find scum. I don't know. Yesterday was a huge waste of a tunnel and I'm done. Going away for a day and depending on my energy I'll either post when I get home tonight or it will be tomorrow after waking up.

[TellTaleHeart]

I want a more elaborate read/case from TTH on ELS, also. I think the bullet-points and the quoting of his old case from 400 posts ago isn't going to cut it to convince me that ELS is a scumboat. I am, however, interested enough in the points to ask more and not just dismiss them as junk.

That was the outline of it, but the bare bone reasoning of it isn't going to change once I actually write the damn thing with the possible exception of the "lampshading" point because I'm not sure if that's the precise term for it. I do recall ELS mentioning something about finding dragonspawn's partner that struck me in retrospect.

[RedCoyote]

that her partner is most likely on her lynch wagon

See, I don't like this. This is too simplistic. Your dram case was good, and I can follow how that would connects to this "for realsies breakdown". I do not see how this applies to any of the other people on her wagon, however. I mean, she got snippy with me, but nothing like what we saw with dram. I don't think she acted that way toward anyone else, so I think the breakdown theory is necessarily a dead end.

In any event, she pretty much called everyone scum at one point or another. Her big names were you, dram, myself, Suzune and BMR.

[RedCoyote]

I mean, Oz, ELS is only off the table for you because she didn't "breakdown" on that slot? A Simple Plan was such a non-factor that it would've been weird for her to do so, frankly.

[RedCoyote]

Oz's overthinking is getting me to suspect him now. I hate it because my brain tells me he is town, but my gut tells me he's rocking the boat unnecessarily. He should be town. Myself and BMR should be town. Suzune should probably be town. Wanderer, too.

I just look at this game like, okay, let's get the obviously questionable links out of the game. The ones that have never done anything that was super townie on D1. Immediately I say that was A Simple Plan and Papi Bear due to just laying low while Klingon was catching a lot of flak.

I mean, sure, maybe one of us was able to roll with the punches well and play off Klingon and all that... but I think we can talk ourselves in circles debating that. Who is the "worst" (for lack of a better word... I mean, like, most ineffective) player from D1 that's still alive? A Simple Plan/ELS.

VOTE: E_Lou_Sive

L-1.

[Ozgin]

ELS isn't off the table because Klingon didn't "breakdown" on that slot. ELS simply isn't

on

the table because everyone's "cases" on him are "outlines," "just the barebones," and one-liners like BMR's #1010 which is, much like his other posts, complete garbage in reasoning.

I can understand the reasoning behind thinking that, since it wasn't dram and it's not Suzune, the "her partner was on her wagon" is a dead end. I mean, yeah, dying scum can lie. And if it's not Suzune and it's not dramonic, then it's likely not anyone. I don't know that I wholly agree, because I

still

don't like BMR.

Even so, I guess I'll hold the

intent to hammer

on ELS if nobody wants to move forward on it. I just wish the people who are claiming that he's through-the-roof scum would just give an elaborate... no, fuck elaborate, just any case with some detail that isn't a hodgepodge of small, surface-value observations with no inference or explanation.

[BlueMoonRising]

Sometimes obvscum is obvscum. You don't need to overthink it.

[Wanderer-nl]

VOTE: TTH

[Ozgin]

Yeah, no, I'm keeping my vote on VOTE: BMR. Posts like that just scream scum.

"Don't think about it, just rush a lynch! Kill anyone! It's just obvious, go for it!"

You, sir, disgust me.

[Wanderer-nl]

Okay so here's what I'm thinking.
Ozgin: Voted Klingon rather early, kept with his read on her and never unvoted or switched. There was nor eason to bus at that point, so Ozgin is likely town.
RC: Voted Klingon early, then switched to Suzune for a big part of the Day while still being divided between the two. In the end he moved back to Klingon again, that was after she claimed citizen. So that made me think RC could have been trying to get Suzune lynched instead of Klingon, but in that case I'd expect him to have her as a null-read and not keep pushing on her. Also, there's the townslip, RC is likely town.
BMR: Voted Klingon I think about halfway through Day 1. He didn't need to bus her there, however I feel his explanation in 298 sounds like scum who is fed up with his buddy. Not too sure here, would like some input from you guys here.

ELS: Have read him several times, and just can't get a strong read on him. Maybe I'm being influenced by the suspicions from other players, I do understand what TTH is getting at with him staying in the middle.
TTH: My stance on her hasn't really changed since Day 3. 838, also might want to check 935 again, and in between those are some scraps here and there. Maybe this time I can get some responses to it, I mean a little more than just saying 'I don't believe she's scum'.

[BlueMoonRising]

I've never said anything about quick lynching. That is pure word twisting.

If someone literally hasn't done one townish thing the whole game, they deserve to be lynched, period.

If you want to lynch the guy that is winning the game for town through his votes, then go right ahead.

[Wanderer-nl]

BMR: You voted TTH so you must have had a scumread on her. You never explained what it was, please do so.

[shos]

TellTaleHeart has been prodded.


Also yay me, I got post #1024! And, this.