Mini 1346: Flavorless Mafia - GAME OVER

[Junpei]

I'm just saying - you don't get to say how well you can find scum if you can't kill them.

Um...Why not?

Because it would imply you did very well.

Tammy: Don't take it personally, I don't like it when anyone acts like a loss wasn't their fault, even in a team game. As a basketball player, there's always more I could have done every time I lost a game. Just leave me alone if I'm an egotistical dummy, why bother arguing with me then?

[Psyche]

No...it would imply that a person is good at finding scum.

[Tammy]

Because this is a community that plays together a lot, and I don't think that you're aware that you take this attitude a lot and it makes it unpleasant? I never said that the loss wasn't part my fault. I said I wasn't able to get you guys lynched, which is me accepting my part in the loss; I just felt good about my reads being accurate, and you immediately trashed that which was rather odd and rude.

[Junpei]

No...it would imply that a person is good at finding scum.

No.. that's what the statement is explicitly saying; that Tammy did very well is a connotation. Anyway I'm going to bed. I understand why I would let someone think they did well even if I disagree. I normally do that, but I guess I finally got through with watching people say that.

pedit: Okay, fine Tammy. You did very well good job. I always forget that most people prefer to be treated carefully rather than assessed or whatever.

[Amrun]

Okay, fine Tammy. You did very well good job. I always forget that most people prefer to be treated carefully rather than assessed or whatever.

Yeah, there's being assessed and there's being a dick, and you cross the line. Please keep this civil. You have not mastered the art of constructive criticism.

[Iknal]

I'm sorry for replacing out how I did. But I didnt expect ta end up in hospital. Good work junpei and kk for carrying it through.

[PinkyandtheBrain]

Yeah Tammy was obvtown, I regret nothing. Except not sheeping RD on junpei. I was set on KK and Jun until robot said he had stuff written down then didn't provide it, that made me really suspicious of him since the content would have been easy to present to us, and the timing of KKs vote really made me question what was going on.

Also screw farsides self hammer.

Also same to you Tammy, I think we did well trusting each other this game.

As I said in the dead QT. Let me join a game where I make no fucking case, call you scum for no fucking reason and see if you think I'm town.

Douche.

That said, this game was unbalanced as far as giving scum 2 power roles and the town 2 power roles. I don't think mass claiming helped the town at all. The only thing it did was help the scum know who to RB and who to kill, which was exactly what happened.
Bad play goest to copter/pysche for me. Lurking and providing nothing to this game doesnt' exactly say much to me for helping the town if you are town. Voting and sheeping didn't help either this game.

As I read the morning comments I suspected KK when he said that he thought Jun's reaction was town. I didn't see it at all and I started to suspect KK that day (said this in the dead QT). I still leaned more on copter thinking there was no way town would actively lurk like that and jump on a wagon with piss poor reasoning. (wow really scum make bad hammers all the time ) I explained that reasoning 5 times. The case on my was shitty and non exsistant.

KK entrance was really well done. I started to question his belief that Tammy was scum and no of the case really stood out to me at all. But I let it go more to the read he had on Slaxx that sounded good to me.

Finally me hammering was more out of frustration that no one listened or read anything I said. Me making a case is not fucking scummy. Turing everything a person says and saying it sounds fake is not scummy. Those are gut reads, not fact. All I know is this game was more frustrating and non-helpful then fun for me.

[Kublai Khan]

Awesome! Junpei you scared the crap outta me by going V/LA at LYLO like that. I really thought I was up shit's creek because I felt roflcopter was wavering. Still, I really enjoyed bbeing scum with you. You are a good mafia player so it was great just knowing I coulf trust your instincts.

@Tammy - I'm really sorry I made the game unenjoyable for you. Please understand that I only did it because I was aiming to win. I've noticed that people with your stream-of-consciousness style tend to read really town, but they can be compromised if you upset and irritate them. Thus it makes any case they put up against me look like emotion-based reaction rather then a good case. And I think I pulled it off this game. I honestly thought that Slaxx was more lynchable because of the weird tracker worry. I was more trying to discredit you than lynch you but you refused to backoff your slaxx townread so eh..

Again I apologize for angering you, but strategy took precedence. No hard feelings?

@Amrun - thanks for the fun game. It was a scum-sided setup for sure but the mass claim kinda negated that. We never had to use the frame ability, so it was a moot power. Thanks for listening tomy mini pm rants.

@Ellibereth - the mass claim idea is still bad and I would have argued against it either way. In the scum QT I actually worried a great deal that you may have been a bomb or PGO or something (blame zoraster and his reflexive roles for that paranoia) because you gained nothing by exposing town PRs.

[Kublai Khan]

Oh, and dead QT?

[Tammy]

@Tammy - I'm really sorry I made the game unenjoyable for you. Please understand that I only did it because I was aiming to win. I've noticed that people with your stream-of-consciousness style tend to read really town, but they can be compromised if you upset and irritate them. Thus it makes any case they put up against me look like emotion-based reaction rather then a good case. And I think I pulled it off this game. I honestly thought that Slaxx was more lynchable because of the weird tracker worry. I was more trying to discredit you than lynch you but you refused to backoff your slaxx townread so eh..

Again I apologize for angering you, but strategy took precedence. No hard feelings?

You were evil, so you were doing what you had to do. Of course no hard feelings. I'd probably want to still punch you right now if you were town, but you weren't so it's all good.

It was a bit of a learning experience anyway. If I would have been able to stop my growing frustration with you, then I maybe would have been able to convince others. It's something for me to work on.

[Kublai Khan]

Yeah, when I'm scum I've been able to identify and (attempt to) exploit weaknesses in town players. For me mafia is a game of psychlogical manipulation.

With you the soc-style means that you have less of an emotion-filter. Which means that if youget flustered you are less likely to get logic-oriented players like roflcopter/rainbowdash/farside to believe your arguments. Your history with slaxx made you immune which I tried tobreak up but no go.

Problem is if you try to censor your feelings, you'll lose the super pro-town nature of the soc style. So its a trade-off that you can work on to find that sweet spot.

Also keep in mind that ill be much nicer to you next game regardless of my role.

[Slaxx]

I don't blame you for reading me as scum Farside, I was thinking to myself how usually I'm obvtown and I know it but this game I didn't feel very obvtown at all. I just think your actions near the end of your lynch were pretty retarded.

KK and Jun deserve the win, when I said no regrets I mean I don't think I would have done much differently. My play wasn't great but there was never a point where I was like "oh man I regret saying this" or "I wish I woulda done this" etc.

[Slaxx]

Also as far as responding to cases, I don't usually do it because it leads to walls and lets face it, you usually get lost in walls and hardly ever does the mind of the person making the case change. If you thought I was scum, fine, I can't exactly fault you for misreading me with my reads this game but I am not one to get on huge one on ones with people because it really distracts from the game, on top of making it completely unenjoyable.

[Amrun]

Dead QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/L6gRsAq8GVPi

KK, thanks for your rants. I appreciated them greatly.

Thanks to all players and ESPECIALLY all replacers.

[Papa Zito]

fin.