Mini 533: Something wicked this way comes! Game over!

[geraintm]

ok, got the first vote
will think now out loud my responses

i am sitting here and have said pretty much that i think BM is the person i would vote for.
so for ting to vote me knowing i would vote BM strikes me as odd

if ting is scum, then i can't see how he would not vote for BM and expect me to vote BM too
If ting is town, then he is voting me because he thinks i am more likely to be scum than BM and my move towards BM was just a scum ploy.

however, as i know i am town and one of you two is scum, ting voting for me to me indicates that he is unlikely to be scum.

therefore

vote battle mage

[geraintm]

oh, so i think this comes down to whether ting sees my post and wants to change his vote to BM before BM votes
or BM hammers now before ting can reevaluate.
or ting is in fact scum and hammers BM

either way, been a close game. just hope my reading of this final vote was right

[ting =)]

No, I'm not scum. No hammer.

My mind was torn because of the night kill. The ogml kill was framing me. If you were scum, why kill ogml and then attack bm?

That makes me really want to vote bm, but it's wifom.

[ting =)]

are you still around ger?

if you're town convince to vote bm.

[ting =)]

*if you're town convince me to vote bm.

[ting =)]

actually,

unvote.

i've suddenly gotten cold feet. if i'm wrong, at least this way no one dies.

[geraintm]

am still here
i dont know how to convince you
as i said, my vote was based on trying to work out why you would vote for me coming from the two ends of the spectrum, if you were scum, if you were town
i am 100% convinced you are town now.
you woul dhave hammered to win the game

[geraintm]

am going to go back and see if i can make sense of BM's relationship with known scum, see what there is in the votes, but i think he's been clever and wont have left any tells

[geraintm]

go back and look at his vote for shaka
see if you can work outwhy he voted for him.
it made no sense
his vote on the 3rd april, he FOSed me and then voted shaka

and don't forget his my scum team slip

I strongly disagree. A 12 player game with my 3 man mafia team,

his post on teh 7th may pretty much has BM exluding me as scum

sorry if this makes no sense, but trying to get quick thoughts out there as fast as possible

[Battle Mage]

wow, alot of posting...

This caught my eye:

and don't forget his my scum team slip

I strongly disagree. A 12 player game with my 3 man mafia team,

Let me get this right. You want to lynch me, on grounds that i let slip about a 3 man-scum team, even though only 1 mafia member is dead so far, and presumably we only have 1 left. You have GOT to be kidding me...
Thats really shoddy reasoning for a vote. But, it is interesting that when Ting voted for you, you voted for me, instead of conventional OMGUS. Maybe you see him as easier to win around? In honesty, until this page, my gut was with Ting being the scumbag. But i'm at a loss as to why Geraintm is actually voting for me here.

Explanation?

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok, got the first vote
will think now out loud my responses

i am sitting here and have said pretty much that i think BM is the person i would vote for.
so for ting to vote me knowing i would vote BM strikes me as odd

if ting is scum, then i can't see how he would not vote for BM and expect me to vote BM too

Maybe because he thinks the same is true of me with regard to you, especially regarding my meta comments.

If ting is town, then he is voting me because he thinks i am more likely to be scum than BM and my move towards BM was just a scum ploy.

however, as i know i am town and one of you two is scum, ting voting for me to me indicates that he is unlikely to be scum.

therefore

vote battle mage

I do sort of see what you are trying to say, but i dont really buy it. The wierdest thing is that you would consider the first vote being cast against yourself to be scummy, and when i had very much the opportunity to hammer you, you decided to try and persuade Ting otherwise, rather than me. That in itself suggest strongly that you KNEW i wouldnt come straight in and hammer, and felt that of the two of us, Ting would be easier to decieve.

BM

[geraintm]

and don't forget his my scum team slip

I strongly disagree. A 12 player game with my 3 man mafia team,

Let me get this right. You want to lynch me, on grounds that i let slip about a 3 man-scum team, even though only 1 mafia member is dead so far, and presumably we only have 1 left. You have GOT to be kidding me...

no, it wasnt hte 3 man thing, it was the casual slippage of the word my.
and i dont think that should be theonly reason to vote for me
and am shocked BM you havent voted for me
ting is cleared now. you therefore "know" i am scum
yet you haevnt voted for me
whys that?

BM, you wanted an explanation why i voted for you
i gave it above
i looked at the reasoning of why ting would vote for me
i concluded from that he was not scum
i voted for you
ting then didnt switch his vote and hammer you
therefore proving he isnt scum

i am not trying to decive ting, i am just trying to get him to understand my logic
i am not trying to get the eaiest win here
i am trying to get the right person voted
that is why i didnt vote ting and try and persuade you to vote ting
i have to vote you because i know you are scum

[Battle Mage]

and don't forget his my scum team slip

I strongly disagree. A 12 player game with my 3 man mafia team,

Let me get this right. You want to lynch me, on grounds that i let slip about a 3 man-scum team, even though only 1 mafia member is dead so far, and presumably we only have 1 left. You have GOT to be kidding me...

no, it wasnt hte 3 man thing, it was the casual slippage of the word my.

That doesnt make any sense in the context of what was actually being said at the time. I was saying that a 3 man scumteam didnt seem all that likely with an SK too. Why would i, as scum, slip the word 'my' in there, when i DIDN'T HAVE said 3 man scumteam. 0.o

and i dont think that should be theonly reason to vote for me
and am shocked BM you havent voted for me
ting is cleared now. you therefore "know" i am scum
yet you haevnt voted for me
whys that?

I havent had the chance. I'm just plain bewildered by your alleged case on me. It seems to amount to something not even FoS worthy.
Apparently the reason you voted me is that Ting didnt vote for me. But how does that suggest to Ting that i am scum? Equally, you still havent answered my earlier comments on how your vote for me as opposed to Ting is strong evidence that you knew that i wouldnt come in and hammer immediately. If you were town, you wouldnt know that i was.

Vote: Geraintm

The ball's in your court now Ting. Read everything through, and you'll make the right decision.

BM

[geraintm]

Bm, i voted you because as i said, i went through and looked at why ting wouldnt vote for you when i had said i was leaning your way. if he was scum, knowing i was leaning one way, then as scum he would have taken the easy option. this wasn't water tight, i said as much in my posts just after my vote

the thing is, i was right
ting didnt switch his vote to you and hammer you, therefore he is town
i've caught you and you know it
my vote for you initially might have been only 95%, but i am 100% sure you re scum now.

[ting =)]

this is a horrible, horrible thing to dump in my lap.

*flips a coin.

*watches coin fall...

[Battle Mage]

Bm, i voted you because as i said, i went through and looked at why ting wouldnt vote for you when i had said i was leaning your way. if he was scum, knowing i was leaning one way, then as scum he would have taken the easy option. this wasn't water tight, i said as much in my posts just after my vote

Thats WIFOM. It's like me saying that if i was scum, i wouldnt have killed OGML, because he'd have got me an easy mislynch (Ting). The same is true of you, and hence, you invalidate your own argument.

the thing is, i was right
ting didnt switch his vote to you and hammer you, therefore he is town
i've caught you and you know it
my vote for you initially might have been only 95%, but i am 100% sure you re scum now.

ROFL. You're the scumbag! It wasnt exactly hard for you to find a townie, and a mislynch. The only issue is who you thought was stupid enough to go along with you, and who you thought was scummy enough to be the victim. What do you want- a medal? 0.o

Are you seriously trying to tell Ting that, on the grounds of a weak WIFOM argument, you were 95% sure i was scum? Seriously, nobody in their right mind will buy that. lol

BM

*I'm gonna be so gutted if we lose this to someone as utterly transparent as Geraintm. But it's out of my hands now.

[geraintm]

this is a horrible, horrible thing to dump in my lap.

*flips a coin.

*watches coin fall...

ting, so which way did it fall. i am sorry it has come down to this, but we know you are town and it is up to you.

and BM, i am afraid i did get you with working out with logic why ting voted for me
sorry if you are going to be disappointed that your whole game is going to be spoilt by that (an i must say, if after all this time the game has been blown open because tng voted first, then you are unlucky)
i never said my vote was for you being scumm,y it was because of the logic behind ting's vote
though, as i said, i was tending towards you before hand because i thinkyou left me alove because you thought i thought you were town from what i have said in previous days.

[ting =)]

don't appeal to emotion me. i'm torn enough already. *cries.

*continues watching coin fall...

I think I've decided. I'll hammer sometime between 12 and 24 hours from now. Last chance to change my mind.

[geraintm]

sorry, having been here since day one, this is kinda 7 months i want over
ting, not sure what else i can say
if there was something you wanted to ask me, then go for it

[Battle Mage]

this is a horrible, horrible thing to dump in my lap.

*flips a coin.

*watches coin fall...

ting, so which way did it fall. i am sorry it has come down to this, but we know you are town and it is up to you.

and BM, i am afraid i did get you with working out with logic why ting voted for me
sorry if you are going to be disappointed that your whole game is going to be spoilt by that (an i must say, if after all this time the game has been blown open because tng voted first, then you are unlucky)
i never said my vote was for you being scumm,y it was because of the logic behind ting's vote
though, as i said, i was tending towards you before hand because i thinkyou left me alove because you thought i thought you were town from what i have said in previous days.

I shouldve seen this coming ages ago. With the paranoia about seeming scummy and not wanting me to vote for you, it all makes sense now...

I hate to say it, because from your point of view, this is probably a difficult decision, but whatever angle you look at it, the answer is still the same. I stand by my earlier comment. I'm not appealing to EMOTION, i'm appealing to INTELLIGENCE. Read his comments over the last few pages, and if you can honestly say that you think he is genuine, drop the hammer on me. If on the other hand, you read what he's said, and recognise that in fact, he HAD to vote for me in order to give himself the best chance of survival, drop the hammer on him.
If you give this due thought, the game is ours. That's all i can say.

BM

[ting =)]

BM:

Attacks nearly everyone. mar9
1. Zeek }
2. Lowell } Willing to lynch atm.
3. Oh God My Life } top6 scummy list. find out how
4. Soupfly ------ much pressure was on lowell at
5. Geraintm ------ this point.
6. Quickben ------ Keeping my eye on.

1. Zeek } Willing to lynch atm.
2. Oh God My Life }
3. Skruffs -------
4. Shaka ------ Keeping my eye on. at march 22
5. Soupfly ------
6. Ting ------
7. MichelSableHeart =====
8. Geraintm ====== Protown-will definitely not be voting for today, or any time soon.
9. TSPN ======

First block was your LoS at March 9. The next was at March 22. Why did Lowell drop?

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Ger: The recent back and forth between you and BM are all wifom, are things that only make sense to

you

knowing your role. Give me something else.

[Battle Mage]

BM:

Attacks nearly everyone. mar9
1. Zeek }
2. Lowell } Willing to lynch atm.
3. Oh God My Life } top6 scummy list. find out how
4. Soupfly ------ much pressure was on lowell at
5. Geraintm ------ this point.
6. Quickben ------ Keeping my eye on.

1. Zeek } Willing to lynch atm.
2. Oh God My Life }
3. Skruffs -------
4. Shaka ------ Keeping my eye on. at march 22
5. Soupfly ------
6. Ting ------
7. MichelSableHeart =====
8. Geraintm ====== Protown-will definitely not be voting for today, or any time soon.
9. TSPN ======

First block was your LoS at March 9. The next was at March 22. Why did Lowell drop?

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Ger: The recent back and forth between you and BM are all wifom, are things that only make sense to

you

knowing your role. Give me something else.

Reading through my PbPa, Shaka dropped for two reasons. Firstly, Zeek and others seemed to be opportunistically wagonning him. Zeek, being my top suspect at the time, did not feel affiliated to him. Secondly, his entry post and reactions to the game seemed similar to mine. Those amounted to a drop in my LoS.

BM

[geraintm]

ting, as i said i have had trouble reading this game. but i tried to work out why i was left in the game and i came down to the idea that i migth have been left alive because a few weeks ago i said things like

in my head, Bm looks fine, the push with the first vote yesterday looks good to me
will lookat the rest of you later

i think BM is a good enough player to think that keeping me alive going into the final showdown, hoping that i would vote you and not him.

[ting =)]

I am going to drink the wifom and

vote:BM.

If I'm wrong, I'm sorry town. I just can't see ger's last day actions as being scum. If he is scum, he's played me well.

*crosses fingers.

[Qman]

Vote Count the end!

Battle Mage

- 2

(Gerantim, Ting)

Gerantim

- 1

(Battle Mage)

After much debate, then much silence, then a quick flurry at the end majority rule states that Battle Mage shall die!

Seeing as how if he is scum, he might not go quietly, Ting and Gerantim sneak in while Battle Mage is taking a catnap, and tie him, and pull a bag over his head.
Dragging him out to the gallows, he is strung up and dropped through the hole with a mighty

*SNAP*

of his neck.

Ting and Gerantim nervously glance at each other wondering what comes next...

The answer? They both get to live happily ever after because...

Battle Mage, Mafia Goon

has been lynched!

The Town Wins!

Congratulations!

Night choices/Roles will be posted soon.