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Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:14 am

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In post 1124, havingfitz wrote:And AA...since you went to the trouble of putting in all the pretty ~random colors in your VCA...you want to explain them (ie give the A)?
I have explained them in my reads... Read them, if you already read them... Read them again :roll:
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Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:24 am

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Slandaar
(2)
- havingfitz
(x2)

havingfitz (1) - ArcAngel9

Not voting (5) - Slandaar, WT Snacks, Syryana


With 5 alive (+1 vote), it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline: (expired on 2013-05-04 00:12:59)
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Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:53 pm

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AA I don't understand what the different colours mean in the list of wagons you posted. Can you explain please?
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Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:15 pm

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In post 1127, WT Snacks wrote:AA I don't understand what the different colours mean in the list of wagons you posted. Can you explain please?
are you saying that you don't follow my reads?
the thing about VCA, i made that for my easy read, you would only understand if you consider me as confirmed townie first... all greens are townie, pink is crisped gang (i forgot about ruffling)

Fitz was not in the gorkcat wagon who was the scum but he managed to be in both Jacob and CD wagons
Slaandar was in gorkcat wagon wasn't in Jacob and CD wagons
ll ary, Syryana but HE is all wagons..
and you too...

i know that my logic may not make sense to you but its based on my alignment, so its helps me see things different to the way it may not to you or others.
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Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:57 pm

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What I'm saying is I don't understand why you colour-coded us the same as havingfitz, when you say we're town and he's scum.

So, could you just tell me please:

What red means, what green means, and what pink means in #1122?
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Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:02 pm

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like i said you need to be in my shoes to understand what they mean...

anywayz since you asked.. Red means possibility of scum, pink means dead and crisped (i forgot to ruffling in pink) and green means confirmed town.
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Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:28 pm

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In post 1109, havingfitz wrote:Add to my earlier post the fact you have done nothing today except say you are confirmed town. Which you absolutely (as scum or town) have to realize has no bearing on the opinion of town players who do not know that.
I am town and I will call myself variations of it as often as I please, does this annoy you Fitz?
In post 1109, havingfitz wrote: Other than saying you think Syryana is scum and saying I could potentially be his partner but not AA...you have done nothing. Why is Syryana scum?
He doesn't do anything.
In post 1109, havingfitz wrote: If there is only one scum left....why can't it be AA by herself? Instead...you choose to clear her because she couldn't be scum with Syryana. Could AA be scum with me?
Theoretically yes, but I think Syry is scum so no. AA by herself is possible but again I think the most likely scum is syry. What is hard to understand here?
In post 1109, havingfitz wrote: Are you convinced WT is not scum?
Yes
In post 1109, havingfitz wrote: I have a favorable opinion of your abilities and I do not see it in action today. Too many things wrt you just don't add up. If I am wrong...and you are today's lynch....I only hope we aren't in LYLO.
You don't need to justify your vote to me, you need to justify it to everyone else.
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Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 2:21 am

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ArcAngel9 wrote:Red means possibility of scum
ArcAngel9 wrote:At this moment, WT snacks is the only player who I read as confirmed town
ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 584, 4nxi3ty wrote:
WT Snacks
In post 869, 4nxi3ty wrote:
WT Snacks
In post 1008, 4nxi3ty wrote:
WT Snacks
Ummmm what? WT is confirmed town, red means possible scum, so let's colour WT as red.

Oh now I get it
ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1008, 4nxi3ty wrote:Lynch reached! Mod scene will be up later.

MrObvious (2) -
Slandaar
,
CooLDoG

CooLDoG (5) -
Syryana
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havingfitz
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ArcAngel9
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WT Snacks
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MrObvious


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The Rufflig
You've literally just labelled everyone still alive other than you as possible scum. That's really insightful and really helpful analysis. "Everyone other than me could potentially be scum." Great work there AA, legendary game analysis.
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Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 2:29 am

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^ that's what i mean that you don't understand what logic going in my brain unless you're in my shoes...
Why the VCA and its colors are so important.. i put my reads of each player separately, why aren't following that... even after i am telling you to follow that...
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Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 3:16 am

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In post 1133, ArcAngel9 wrote:Why the VCA and its colors are so important..
Because they contradict your reads, it looks like you're not trying very hard to analyze the game you're just trying to generate content so people stop harassing you and so you don't get prodded again.

It's filler content, which this late in the game is a scum move.
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Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 3:17 am

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In post 1133, ArcAngel9 wrote:^ that's what i mean that you don't understand what logic going in my brain unless you're in my shoes...
As a townie it's your responsibility to explain that logic to the rest of town. You can't just post some contradictory content and when you get called out on it say "well that's what I think, you have to be me to understand." It doesn't help town at all, it's just useless.
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Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 3:27 am

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don't look this in complicated way... Look in this way...
These is what i meant.. now reread and let me know if you have any questions...

In post 1122, ArcAngel9 wrote:alright, I finished my catch up...

This is how i am seeing it now...

WT Snacks
is pretty much in all wagons, She hammered Gorckat and Jacob, its seems pretty odd for a scum to do that, the only odd part that she pushed for CD lynch, I don't really blame her becuz CD was indeed looked scummy since the begining. At this moment, WT snacks is the only player who I read as confirmed town on this game for now. Therefore, No she is getting lynched today. and not ever.

Slandaar
- I know this guy very well, and I can say that his town game is bit different in this game.. But there are other things that we could consider, like he was the first person to be in Gorckat wagon, and how he wasn't in both Jacob and CoolDog, If he scum it seems a bit strange for not finding him in both town lynch wagons... So I think Slandaar is town..

Syryana
- I don't have very positive opinions about him, Although I see him in the Gorckat wagon, it could be bussing too since Gorckat was the most suspected player. Moreover, its the way how he read Slandaar as town and trying to buddy up with WT snacks giving me very bad vibes..
And also he vote Fitz but later remove it before it was becoming a potential lynch wagon.. Syryana is leaning scum to me.

HavingFitz
- Fitz is kind of player that I played with him as both town and scum (the ironic part is that he was town and scum in the same game), And I can easily say that FITZ on this game looks as scum fitz than town fitz, Town fitz thinks and connects more logics and more efficient scum hunter, When I asked fitz why he was pushed jacob lynch, he didnt' give me much detail... I have expected much better reason from town fitz
And not to forget, I have a very bad read on Korranth, who had attacked for a base less reason and also Korranth was UBER's top suspected scum read.

Thus said, I am leaning to believe that both Syryana and Fitz could be the last possible two scums only if the crisped players are townie.
Otherwise, it is possible that one of them could be townie too but for now i am more confident on FITZ... If the rest of you decide to go with Syrayana, I am okay with that as well but do remember that it is possible that our current situationmay be lylo.

VOTE: HavingFitz
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Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 5:23 am

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Arc...your analysis is off on me.  For one thing, I am a strong proponent of VCAs and as such...when I am scum...I do my best to manipulate my presence on wagon as best I can.  Being on the wrong side of every single lynch is not how I roll as scum.  

@Slandaar...its fine to tell everyone else you are town but to keep on to the degree you are and to assume we should take it as gospel just because you say it is absurd.  And no...it doesn't annoy me.  I find it suspect in the absence of other town redeeming efforts.  Like making a solid case on your main target.  Not doing anything doesn't seem like a good case.  Has ArcAngel done more than Syryana?  Prior to her horrific VCA attempt of course.

And I have justified/explained my vote on you for others to consider.  The last bit you quote from me in your post 1131 is summarizing those suspicions along with an acknowledgement I could be wrong.

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Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 7:16 am

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You ignore the fact I caught Gorckat. My play has been fine.

I think the Obvious case was good, Sometimes though I have to play on gut and mostly that is what I am going with at present as logic has failed me. I think AA did her OMGUS thing so she is fairly likely town, WT is town, that leaves two.

And I think that means we must lynch Fitz today to prevent a scenario where town lose in lylo due to fitz having half the votes.
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Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 7:30 am

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Why is your vote is not on Fitz, slandaar?


I also want to hear from Syrana..
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Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 7:32 am

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1) that's pretty shit reasoning to vote someone when we could be in LYLO.

2) I don't know if I would have CoolDog's vote after today.

3) the extra vote doesn't give me an advantage in lynching because the mod is treating it like there's an extra player in the game...ex it's 4 votes to lynch today... not 3.
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Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 7:39 am

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I'll get to this game later today, papers due
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Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 8:01 am

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I still think Slandaar is probtown based on early play. That early push on gorckat doesn't feel like a bus.
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Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 8:02 am

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I also don't think there's much chance that Guille and Rufflig were both town, and therefore we're probably not in lylo.
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Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 8:10 am

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In post 1142, WT Snacks wrote:I still think Slandaar is probtown based on early play. That early push on gorckat doesn't feel like a bus.
Exactly my point..
And the early play of konnarth is a good example why FTIZ is most possible scum.
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Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 8:26 am

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In post 1144, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1142, WT Snacks wrote:I still think Slandaar is probtown based on early play. That early push on gorckat doesn't feel like a bus.
Exactly my point..
And the early play of konnarth is a good example why FTIZ is most possible scum.
I'm not. But how so?

If we are in LYLO Slandaar is scum. ( he'd be dead by now if he wasn't).

If he is town then we definitely have a mislynch remaining.

If he's scum we could still be in LYLO or not.


What do you all think of his suggestion to lynch me due primarily to my double vote?

Also...the D1 push on Gorckat is the only reason I doubt my suspicions towards him. But I know Gorckat was bussed so why not Slandaar?
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Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Wed May 01, 2013 7:53 pm

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In post 1122, ArcAngel9 wrote:alright, I finished my catch up...

This is how i am seeing it now...

WT Snacks
is pretty much in all wagons, She hammered Gorckat and Jacob, its seems pretty odd for a scum to do that, the only odd part that she pushed for CD lynch, I don't really blame her becuz CD was indeed looked scummy since the begining. At this moment, WT snacks is the only player who I read as confirmed town on this game for now. Therefore, No she is getting lynched today. and not ever.

Slandaar
- I know this guy very well, and I can say that his town game is bit different in this game.. But there are other things that we could consider, like he was the first person to be in Gorckat wagon, and how he wasn't in both Jacob and CoolDog, If he scum it seems a bit strange for not finding him in both town lynch wagons... So I think Slandaar is town..

Syryana
- I don't have very positive opinions about him, Although I see him in the Gorckat wagon, it could be bussing too since Gorckat was the most suspected player. Moreover, its the way how he read Slandaar as town and trying to buddy up with WT snacks giving me very bad vibes..
And also he vote Fitz but later remove it before it was becoming a potential lynch wagon.. Syryana is leaning scum to me.

HavingFitz
- Fitz is kind of player that I played with him as both town and scum (the ironic part is that he was town and scum in the same game), And I can easily say that FITZ on this game looks as scum fitz than town fitz, Town fitz thinks and connects more logics and more efficient scum hunter, When I asked fitz why he was pushed jacob lynch, he didnt' give me much detail... I have expected much better reason from town fitz
And not to forget, I have a very bad read on Korranth, who had attacked for a base less reason and also Korranth was UBER's top suspected scum read.

Thus said, I am leaning to believe that both Syryana and Fitz could be the last possible two scums only if the crisped players are townie.
Otherwise, it is possible that one of them could be townie too but for now i am more confident on FITZ... If the rest of you decide to go with Syrayana, I am okay with that as well but do remember that it is possible that our current situationmay be lylo.

VOTE: HavingFitz
As Snacks pointed out, the amount of bad in this post is legendary. VCA that doesn't mean anything, scumteams that make no sense (I already proved that fitz can't be part of a team if he's scum), I have no idea where she got me buddying WT and townreading Slandaar from, the Slandaar read is basically "well, he's not playing his normal town game, but whatever" and the part about WT read as a scumread right up until the part she calls them conftown, the read on fitz consists of meta and a read (Uber's read, lolololol) on korranth. The whole damn thing is pure filler. Speaking of filler...
In post 1130, ArcAngel9 wrote:like i said you need to be in my shoes to understand what they mean...

anywayz since you asked.. Red means possibility of scum, pink means dead and crisped (i forgot to ruffling in pink) and green means confirmed town.
Now we've got filler defending her filler. If you knew nobody would know wtf your VCA meant, why did you bother posting it? Particularly in view of the fact that it in no way shape or form jives with your so-called reads?
In post 1131, Slandaar wrote:
In post 1109, havingfitz wrote: Other than saying you think Syryana is scum and saying I could potentially be his partner but not AA...you have done nothing. Why is Syryana scum?
He doesn't do anything.
A+ posting, would read again. Also pretty rich coming from the guy who pretty much exclusively proddodged for two whole Days.

I'm not buying fitz as scum. It's one or both of Slandaar/AA.
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Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Thu May 02, 2013 6:42 am

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Soooooo....who's waiting on what to progress things?

The game seems to be stuck in park.
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Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Thu May 02, 2013 7:41 am

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Here's my thing, though:

AA's play has been so superficial, so shallow, and so unequivocally
bad
that I feel like scum are keeping her alive because they know that she has no chance of finding scum and no chance of winning the game if we get to lylo.

So I actually think she's town. If I was scum with her I'd have been bussing so fucking hard, there's no way I'd be satisfied with anything other than an AA lynch. So unless scum are a bunch of care bears, I don't think AA is scum.

Syryana: You think Slandaar was bussing gorckat?
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Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Thu May 02, 2013 8:01 am

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^ Wow, you think a lot about yourself don't you...?
Fitz & Syryana is the last two scum, i don't why it is so hard to see that.
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