NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Pine]

No, it isn't proof, but in the absence of evidence against him, I'm willing to give him a pass for now.

(See, Beck? This is how one scumhunts. You focus on more than one person at a time.)

[ZeL1nK]

This is the only reasonably convincing post I've seen against zdenek. Thank you, sorgster.

Um, sorgster's case isn't "reasonably convincing" at all...

Are you saying you don't think that Zdenek would suggest a PL as town (possibly as a way of gauging reactions, possibly for some other reason) and then back off from it after he'd seen some of the reactions to it, making it clear that he was never serious in the first place?

Because I can.

It doesn't necessarily mean he is town and did do this as town, but it's not a "reasonably convincing" case for him being scum...



Refresh me on your reasons for your vote, Pine.

[ZeL1nK]

Because I can see that being the case*

[Pine]

Pay attention, ZeL1nK. Proposing a PL and backing off from it isn't what I acknowledged as a good point. By itself, that's nothing. It's the wishy-washy method he used to defend it, then abandon it, then tried to deflect attention from it that carries weight.

I'm enough of an adult to admit that my vote on Beck is partially inspired by my personal dislike of him, and my previous bad experience with him. It is, however, based on his unduly-aggressive, myopic attacks out of thin air, and the lack of scumhunting he's done. There's a lot of fluff in Beck's posts, and he's quite good at spinning his wheels to give the illusion of doing something while actually riding the coattails of others' cases. It's not an especially strong case, but we're still quite early in the game.

[ZeL1nK]

I'm paying attention. It doesn't change what I said. You're interpreting it a particular way. I didn't see anything "wishy-washy" about the way he "defended" it or the way he "deflected" attention (I disagree with who he suspects, but I can understand his thought process here).

Do you think Zdenek is scum?

[Pine]

I'm on the fence. I find his actions suspicious, but I don't have

any

really solid reads yet. That's what the post-RVS phase of the game is about. Taking your minor leads and putting pressure on the suspect to investigate them.

[ZeL1nK]

I don't have any really solid reads yet.

Not even me? I'm obvtown. You should call me town.

[Pine]

Yeah...going out of your way to call yourself Town is pretty scummy.

[Revenus]

zel, if you call yourself obvtown enough, I can vote you if you want.

[ZeL1nK]

What the fuck? I'm obvtown, why would you vote for obvtown? That's scummy.

[Pine]

Unvote
Vote: ZeL1nK

The lady doth protest too much.

[ZeL1nK]

Why are you voting obvtown?

[Revenus]

Really?

VOTE: Zelink

On one hand, scum have to be real ballsy to pull this off. On the other hand, I did warn him.

[ZeL1nK]

I don't get it. Is this opposite day or something?

I'm obvtown, why are you voting for me?

[ThAdmiral]

Also, before you guys start dumping on thamatuer, I just played a game with him. He is barely able to form coherent thoughts, attacks people based on emotion and dislike, and when attacked (as vanilla townie mind you) flails heavily. Not saying we shouldn't lynch him, but this is something for the good people of this game to consider.

I believe that theam can be read. If he's scum I believe it will show.

So how is this a good player list again.

Define "good".

yo, catching up.

Town lists are awful. You know who likes finding town? Scum. This is always a red flag for me when someone looks for town over scum.

You are wrong.

I agree with this.

It feels like sky is overreacting to seem like: "hay guise, I'm hunting scum!"

vote: sky

Unvote
Vote: ZeL1nK

The lady doth protest too much.

Really?

VOTE: Zelink

On one hand, scum have to be real ballsy to pull this off. On the other hand, I did warn him.

Is your case really that he said he was town?

[DavidParker]

Hi guys. I'm here. I guess I'll play

Apparently I signed a couple games that I can't remember signing but some friends contacted me about this one so sure I'll bite.

Lynch ze1ink

Stop hiding behind your pre-determined lynch target (ME!) as justification for you being town and also as reasoning behind not having to actually make a semi-believable vote.

[DavidParker]

Oh right. This is mafiascum.

Vote: Zelink

[Beck]

No, it isn't proof, but in the absence of evidence against him, I'm willing to give him a pass for now.

(See, Beck? This is how one scumhunts. You focus on more than one person at a time.)

ok seriously you and I are going to have issues this game.

I have actually focused on 3 different people so far, Revenous, Zde, and you

and let's look at your recent posts

1. you say sorg's reasons were the only convincing one, my reasons were just as good, but you have a bias against me so you aren't going to listen to me all game are you? (this is bad for town if you are town)

2. you say sky's post is a town slip - which it isn't

3. and than you say LOOK AT ME I AM FOCUSING ON SOMEBODY ELSE, I KNOW HOW TO SCUM HUNT

but how is calling somebody town scum hunting? looks like you are town hunting?

show me ONE SINGLE POST OF YOURS THAT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE SCUM HUNTING

i'll wait cause I've read your ISO 3 times this morning and can't seem to find a single one.

and on that note

Vote: pine

here is my recap of your iso

your 1st 2 posts are your rvs, nothing exciting
3rd post - you say you would consider PL'ing me
4th post - you explain why you would PL me
5th post - explain to sorg about that game
6th post - you ask for somebody to explain the proposed lynch on DP (note for later)
7th post - more verbal attacks towards me, this is where it implies your vote on hiraki is serious
8th post - this is where you attack my playstyle but fail to provide evidence to support it, you finally have a reason to vote me, and you say you don't get the case on zde at all. Why not ask someone to explain it to you like you did about the proposed lynch on DP? why ask about one and than not care enough to ask about the other. Plus explain why my case was non-sensical, I mean you are trying to discredit me right? well explain why i'm wrong
9th post - you make sure you let it know that your vote me is serious
10th post - this is again where you attack my play and say I am not scum hunting and ask for examples, but I am not allowed to include the wagon I started? lol This is also where you say that you find the case on zde weak, but again don't really bother taking the time to explain why it is weak
11th post - this is where sorg basically has said what I tried to say but in a more condensed manner and you say you agree with his reasons. My case on zde was basically he proposed a PL, when somebody called him out on it being weak, he votes that person. which is essentially the same as him backing off when pressured, but in reality attacking the person who called his reason weak (which is the reason I gave for voting zde) is a much better reason IMO
12th post - you call a post a town slip
13th post - you say it isn't prove he is town
14th post - this is where you say that sorg's case wasn't actually that great and more attacks on me. I am not fluff posting, YOU are fluff posting. I am posting REAL FUCKING reasons why people are scummy, unlike you
15th post - this is where you say you are on the fence with zde being scum, but your entire iso has you essentially disagreeing with his wagon, which means you don't think he is scum
16th post - what is scummy about a person calling themselves town? While I disagree with him being OBV town, I have no issue with a person calling themselves obv town. Like so far this game, 100% hands down I AM OBV TOWN and everyone voting me needs to cease and desist (are you going to vote me now?)
17th post - ooh wagon is growing on Zel, let me hop aboard this one.

this wagon on Zel is a wagon that makes no sense
the wagon on zde makes much more sense

a wagon on Pine is a wagon on scum, Who wants to lynch scum? ALL ABOARD THE PINE WAGON

[DavidParker]

actually fuck it.

i dont hate you enough to do this.

Unvote, Vote: REvenus

This post just screams scum: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3514009 Make a decision you useless chump.

[Slandaar]

Zel wagon is bad

@David: what do you think of Hiraki so far?

I like the pine vote too, he said he was town in a far scummier way than Zel...

[Slandaar]

(See, Beck? This is how one scumhunts. You focus on more than one person at a time.)

'See?! im town and scumhunting !!!'

This is way more scummy than someone just plain saying they are town, yet he voted Zel. in other words : subtle hint scummier than in your face im town claim

I find David pretty scummy for jumping on Zel too... (he jumped off fast too which im not sure about)

The problem I think I have is I got no clue about this meta stuff thats going on, Zel seems town to me though and has since his vote on Hiraki, thats was a good townie post.

[Beck]

actually fuck it.

i dont hate you enough to do this.

Unvote, Vote: REvenus

This post just screams scum: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3514009 Make a decision you useless chump.

I don't like how you jumped on zel after your previous inactivity, but this is a good point.

somebody calling themselves town isn't scummy or a scum tell, so rev is yet again trying to push a non-sensical vote, this is the 2nd time he has done so.

[DavidParker]

So zelink deciding before game even began he wanted to lynch me on day 1 is fine, but me doing the same to him is scummy? Some quality contradictions there.

[Pine]

@Beck: I've been a dick. I'll back off on the personal nonsense if you will.

@Slandaar: How is that "calling myself Town"? Town scumhunts, Scum scumhunts, even third party scumhunts. The only people that don't are people too wrapped up in themselves to do it.

@ThAd: Eh, it isn't a strong case. I don't really see any strong cases yet...I'm starting to think all or most of the scum are amongst the very, very quiet half of the players. It is, however, a pressure vote, seeing if he'll panic and make mistakes that'll give us decent information.

[Slandaar]

So zelink deciding before game even began he wanted to lynch me on day 1 is fine, but me doing the same to him is scummy? Some quality contradictions there.

He moved off you after RVS, you however voted him in serious vote stage for no good reason. I dont know anything about why you are voting each other and dont care, but your vote is scummy.