Mafia 80: Nice Shot! Mafia. Game over, results at 1381

[destructor]

10.

Each period of Day will have a deadline I announce, where:
initial date + 2*( number of living players ) = deadline date
There will be

no

extensions. A deadline is a deadline, so talk while you can.

[populartajo]

Des, what does that question prove?

[destructor]

Nothing, but it complements my questions about a roleblocker and that I was trying to find a way for the town to win by breaking the setup.

[populartajo]

Why would you ask a question about two hiders at 8:12 and then post this in the thread at 8:59?

Also destructor, why do you think Korts killed camn?

I don't know. If he'd have even skimmed the last two days, I think she would have been an obvious target. I don't want to speculate much further than that.

I have to admit that besides his characterisation of my play yesterday, Korts play does seem town-ish today. When the day started (and yesterday ended) it looked like pop would have been more than prepared to see me lynched. k7 seemed to be leaning that way as well. So Korts going after pop instead of me was unexpected.

pop, what were your reasons for hiding as you did? Also, why did you claim?

Why did you believe my claim that fast?

[destructor]

I don't think I had decided to believe the claim when I asked the question. When I asked if people thought there could be a RB and that the town could have the game in the bag, I thought I made it clear that it was on the condition that everyone had claimed truthfully (ie, you and k7).

I'm not sure what about that quote you're referring to.

[populartajo]

So here's the deal.
Destructor asks Adel a question at 8:42 about two hiders. K7 and myself had just claimed.
At 859 destructor posts this_:

pop, what were your reasons for hiding as you did? Also, why did you claim?

At 1017:

Also, why didn't you hide night 2?

So the questions are:
Why did you believe my claim that fast? Why did you keep asking questions if you already asked a Mod about two hiders?

[destructor]

I was probing around. I was already thought you were town at the time so felt no great reason to doubt your claim. All this means is that I didn't necessarily disbelieve it, which is different from outright denying it or accepting it.

If I was going to bring the idea of two hiders hiding with each other, I'd want to be sure you claimed truthfully. Adel didn't reply to my question in a pm, I got my answer when everyone else did - in thread, so I was still thinking about possibilities after I asked her about it.

I don't think there's a discrepancy here.

[Adel]

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votecount as of post 1380

_{with 4 alive, 3 will lynch before deadline}

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¬destructorII:

2

:populartajo, Korts
Korts:

1

:destructorII

No Lynch:

none

not voting:

1

:killa seven,


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destructorII, Townie, has been lynched with a deadline noose, leaving 3 alive. With a Nice Shot!, Korts (a mafia roleblocker) blocks and kills killa seven during the night, and populartajo awakes to find a gun in his face.

Game over, scum win.

[populartajo]

Fail

[Adel]

N5:
camn -> tracks -> populartajo
killa seven -> hides -> korts
korts -> mafia nk -> camn
korts -> RB -> populartajo


N4:
populartajo -> does not hide
BM -> RB -> camn
camn -> track -> destructorII
killah seven -> hide -> destruckerII
farside22 -> doctor -> camn
Sierra -> Vig Kill -> farside22
BM -> mafia kill -> Sierra

N3:
Farside -> doctor -> Battle MageII
camn -> track -> curiouskarmadog
Sierra -> vig kil -> Battle MageII
curiouskarmadog -> RB -> Sierra (prevents Sierra's kill)
curiouskarmadog -> mafia kill -> killa seven
Battle Mage -> RB -> farside
killa seven -> hide -> populartajo
populartajo -> hide -> BattleMageII

N2:
Guardian -> mafia night kill -> elvis_knits
curiouskarmadog -> RB -> camn
Battle MageII -> RB -> killa seven (prevents killa seven from hiding behind Guardian)
Sierra -> vig kill -> Guardian
killa seven -> hide -> Guardian
farside -> doctor -> camn
camn -> track -> Riceballtail (blocked by RB)

N1:
springlullaby -> mafia night kill -> ChaosOmega
Sierra -> vig night kill ->Xtoxm
farside22 -> doctor -> BattleMage
Xtoxm -> doctor -> Sierra
populartajo -> hide -> My Milked Eek
camn -> track -> Xtoxm
curiouskarmadog -> RB -> populartajo
My Milked Eek -> RB -> Battlemage
coron -> no hide -> no hide
ChaosOmega -> track -> Battlemage

N0:
Xtoxm -> doctor-> Battle mage
farside22 -> doctor -> curiouskarmadog
ChaosOmega -> track -> Anatole Kuragin
camn -> track -> Battlemage
curiouskarmadog -> RB -> Battle Mage
My Milked Eek -> mafia Night Kill -> destructor
My Milked Eek -> RB -> Xtoxm
Sierra -> vig night kill -> Natirasha
coron -> no hide -> no hide
populartajo -> hide -> My Milked Eek

[populartajo]

I was just going to post this:

I just figured out something. If destructor did ask that question that means he isnt a roleblocker. SO maybe we should just lynch Korts and then hide behind him. Risky but it definitely could work.
Where the hell are you K7? Thoughts?

Sorry des.

[Adel]

Players:

1. BattleMage, Townie, town-aligned, lynched day 2

2. curiouskarmadog. Mafia roleblocker, lynched day 4

3.

Korts

BattleMageII

My Milked Eek

, Mafia Role Blocker, survived

4. Riceballtail, Townie, town-aligned, lynched day 3
5. destructorII

goborage

, Townie, lynched day 6

6. Musher333, Townie, town-aligned, lynched day 1

7. Alabaska J

W!nt3r

Anatole Kuragin

, Mafia Godfather, lynched day 5

8. elvis_knits, Townie, town-aligned, killed night 2
9. populartajo, Hider, end-gamed.

10. farside22, Doctor, town-aligned, killed night 4
11. xtoxm, Doctor, town-aligned, killed night 1
12. ChaosOmega, Tracker, town-aligned, killed night 1
13. killa seven, Hider, end-gamed.

14. Guardian

springlullaby

, Mafia Goon, killed night 2

15. camn, Tracker, town-aligned, killed night 5
16. Natirasha, Townie, town-aligned, killed night 0
17. destructor, Townie, town-aligned, killed night 0
18. Sierra, Compulsive Vig, killed night 4

Setup:
1 Mafia Godfather
2 Mafia Role Blockers
1 Mafia Goon
2 Trackers
2 Doctors
2 Hiders
1 Compulsive Vig
7 Townies

Night Start

[Adel]

With 4 alive, no-lynch was probably the best move. If Korts wasn't a roleblocker, then the hiders could hide behind each other and escape a NK like cross-protecting doctors. Korts did a heck of a job replacing in for the heavily suspected Battle MageII.

It was amazing to me that so many of the scum got replaced in this game. Lynch-all-lurkers would have helped the town in this game. Camn nearly won the game for the town, but died before he could clear anyone for the rest of the town.

2 hiders living only to be end gamed is a little amazing to me.

The last minute activity easily could have led to a town victory, if the deadline hadn't fallen.

[destructor]

Eh. Good game.

It's never nice to be lynched as town, but at least I had fun on the way.

camn, I think you did really well to catch ckd, but your tunnel-vision on me did nothing to help the town. Otherwise I think you were a pretty good player in this game and asked a lot of the right questions and made a lot of good calls. I noticed a Tracker breadcrumb in Day 1. Maybe if I'd seen that I would have backed off on the k7 thing earlier.

pop, thanks for giving some thought at the end there. It's a disappointing outcome, but I appreciate you putting in an effort to check my claims out.

k7, same to you. Sorry about jumping at you Day 5, but it really looked like you were scum to me and like I said, I had no reason to think you had to be town.

Korts, well done. You

really

got me doubting myself there until I started to think hard about the flip on pop.

BM, damn you for getting replaced!

Adel, thanks for the setup! I was disappointed when I died night 0, but it was probably a good thing. I was in too many games and would have sucked here. I've got no regrets about replacing in and think I gave the game the effort it deserved. The setup was unconventional and I had fun trying to work it out. So yeah, thanks!

[destructor]

With 4 alive, no-lynch was probably the best move. If Korts wasn't a roleblocker, then the hiders could hide behind each other and escape a NK like cross-protecting doctors. Korts did a heck of a job replacing in for the heavily suspected Battle MageII.

I thought about that, but figured a roleblocker would block and kill one of the hiders, probably killing the other in the process. I considered suggesting no lynching and letting scum decide who was going to do what, but felt I was too deep in things for anyone to follow along with it.

Tajo, don't worry about it. If we'd used our time better things might have ended different. I enjoyed the game, though, so it's all good.

[Adel]

what did you guys think of the possible roles? Did the semi-open format help you focus on the game? I wrote the set up when there were quite a few games starting with experience pre-reqs, so I went for something that would make it a little easier for new players.

Possible Roles

All roles that appear in the game are from this list. Not every role in this list is used in the game.

Compulsive Vig

You are a Vigilante. You are frustrated with the ineffective procedures of the town, really frustrated. Each night you may PM me the name of one player, and you will take out your frustrations by placing several bullets in the head of that player. If you do not send me the name of a player by that night’s deadline you will kill a random player instead. Other roles might interfere with your killing ability; you will not be notified if this happens.

You win if only town-aligned players are alive at the end of the game.

Cop

You are a Cop. By breaking police procedures and violating a person’s right to privacy, you can tell the difference between scum and town. Each night you may PM me the name of one player and I will tell you if that player is innocent or guilty of being scum. If your action is blocked you will recieve no response.

You win if only town-aligned players are alive at the end of the game.

Doctor

You are a Doctor, dedicated to saving lives. If you PM me the name of one player before that night’s deadline that player will be protected from

one

night kill for the entire period of night. You can not protect yourself. You will not be informed if your action is blocked.

You win if only town-aligned players are alive at the end of the game.

Hider

You are a Hider. You know that the town is a very unsafe place at night. Each night you may PM me the name of one player and you will only die that night if that player is killed by a night kill. You will not be informed if your action is blocked, and if you are blocked you will only die if you are targeted by a successful night kill.

You win if only town-aligned players are alive at the end of the game.

Mafia Doctor

You are a Doctor, dedicated to saving lives. Each night you may PM me the name of one player and that player will be protected from

one

night kill for the entire period of night. You can not protect yourself. You will not be informed if your action is blocked.

You are also a member of the _____ Mafia with _____. Due to the Oath of Hippocrates, you are not allowed to perform your Mafia’s night kill.

You can talk with the other living members of your mafia at night.

You win if only members of your mafia are alive at the end of the game.

Mafia Godfather

You are the mighty Godfather of the _____ Mafia. ________ are also members of your mafia. Because you are so crafty, you are immune to night kills and Cop investigations.

You can talk with the other living members of your mafia at night.

Each night a member of your mafia can PM me the name of a player. That member of your mafia will attempt to kill the targeted player. Your mafia only gets one kill per night. If I do not receive a PM before the deadline for that night, no kill will be performed. If I recieve more than one PM for the night kill from your mafia, only the first one sent will count. Other roles might interfere with your killing ability; you will not be notified if this happens.

You win if only members of your mafia are alive at the end of the game.

Mafia Goon

You are a Goon in the _____ Mafia. ________ are also members of your mafia.

You can talk with the other living members of your mafia at night.


Each night a member of your mafia can PM me the name of a player. That member of your mafia will attempt to kill the targeted player. Your mafia only gets one kill per night. If I do not receive a PM before the deadline for that night, no kill will be performed. If I recieve more than one PM for the night kill from your mafia, only the first one sent will count. Other roles might interfere with your killing ability; you will not be notified if this happens.

You win if only members of your mafia are alive at the end of the game.

Mafia Roleblocker

You are a Roleblocker in the _____ Mafia. ________ are also members of your mafia.


Each night a member of your mafia can PM me the name of a player. That member of your mafia will attempt to kill the targeted player. Your mafia only gets one kill per night. If I do not receive a PM before the deadline for that night, no kill will be performed. If I recieve more than one PM for the night kill from your mafia, only the first one sent will count. Other roles might interfere with your killing ability; you will not be notified if this happens.

As an additional ability, each night you may PM me the name of a player. That player’s night action will not occur. If I do not receive a PM before the deadline for that period of night, you will not block any player. If you are targeted by another roleblocker your attempted block will not take effect, and you will not be informed.

You may perform both a night kill and a roleblock in the same period of night.

You can talk with the other living members of your mafia at night.

You win if only members of your mafia are alive at the end of the game.

One-Shot Vig

You are a One-Shot Vigilante.
You are frustrated with the ineffective procedures of the town, but you only have one bullet.

Once during the game, at night, you may PM me the name of a player and you will attempt to kill that player. Other roles might interfere with your killing ability; you will not be notified if this happens.


You win if only town-aligned players are alive at the end of the game.

Roleblocker

You are a Roleblocker.

Each night you may PM me the name of a player. That player’s night action will not occur. If I do not receive a PM before the deadline for that period of night, you will not block any player. If you are targeted by another roleblocker your attempted block will not take effect, and you will not be informed.

You win if only town-aligned players are alive at the end of the game.

Serial Killer

You are an evil and calculating Serial Killer. Because you are so crafty, you are immune to night kills and Cop investigations.

Each night PM me the name of one player, and you will act out your evil nature by placing several bullets in the head of that player-- probably with a gun but possibly with a spoon. If you do not send me the name of a player by that night’s deadline you will kill a random player instead. Other roles might interfere with your killing ability; you will not be notified if this happens.


You win if you are the only player left alive at the end of the game.

Townie

You are a Townie. You have no abilities other than your vote.

You win if only town-aligned players are alive at the end of the game.

Tracker

You are a Tracker. At night you may PM the name of one player before that night's deadline. If that player targeted any other players, I will tell you the names of those players targeted. If your action is blocked you will not be informed.

You win if only town-aligned players are alive at the end of the game.

[Adel]

I want to thank all of you for playing, and I welcome any constructive criticism any of you have for my modding, rules, set-up, personality, or whatever.

I will also happily answer any question you may have.

[Korts]

Yay!

Seriously though, I probably had a much easier job than you guys did. I mean, I just had to survive this day and get a mislynch. Props to des for being on my tail all through the second half of the game! I couldn't really answer your accusations of backtracking, because that's what I had been doing exactly...

pop, you were awesome, too, I mean, if I was town, I'd definitely have followed you. You make convincing cases. Also, your play was pretty much flawless until the last mislynch.

k7, I think this was the most I've seen from you in a single game, and I'm glad I did see so much of you. You made a lot of sense. I feel that you could've been the turning stone of the endgame if des wasn't sure to be deadline-lynched.

The thing that probably lost this game for town was that you all came into Day 6 with preconceptions, misconceptions, or something. All I had to do was manipulate those subtly enough that I don't look scum. I probably could've helped a little if I'd replaced town, at least I'd like to think that...

Adel, thanks for hosting this game, and thanks for letting me replace. This is the most fun I've had in an endgame, seriously. Also, the setup was brilliant, although I shouldn't be the judge of that. Everything concerning modding was flawless. Thank you.

[Battle Mage]

Korts....you just did.... F***ING AWESOME!

I just completely screwed up in this game, and knew that we needed a fresh face in order to give us a shot. But tbh, i didnt really expect it would make much difference. You did far more than i could have anticipated. Well done!

BM

[Korts]

Gee, thanks

[destructor]

Korts, your play was excellent given the conditions. I don't think you should sell yourself short. Tajo's vote on me, which allowed you to make me the deadline lynch, was pretty much a direct result of your play.


I liked the setup. It's not semi-open or even just open. It's more like super-open or something. I like the idea of knowing which roles will be in the game but not how many of each. It helps direct setup speculation, giving it some limits to make it more worthwhile, while keeping the game far from being easily broken.

Why didn't you require players to confirm?
Why'd you call this game "Nice Shot!"?

[destructor]

Korts....you just did.... F***ING AWESOME!

I just completely screwed up in this game, and knew that we needed a fresh face in order to give us a shot. But tbh, i didnt really expect it would make much difference. You did far more than i could have anticipated. Well done!

BM

Were you doing that bad? I was pretty sure that everyone alive was ready to lynch me at the start of the day. =/

[Adel]

Why didn't you require players to confirm?

If the PM was in my "Sent Box" it meant they got it. In a different game I also only posted the ruleset in the role PM sent to each player. I like the abstract element of mafia best, and I try to eliminate fluff and clutter from the game. I think a page full of "/confirm" posts is just

ugly

.

I generally prefer night start games to day start games because they get rid of much of the randomness of the random voting stage. Eliminate the ugly.

Why'd you call this game "Nice Shot!"?

I thought there was a good chance that if the mafia won it would be largely due to killing a hider who hid behind another townie who was nk'd. I expected the game to hinge on a "nice shot". That was all I wanted for flavor.

[killa seven]

Korts....you just did.... F***ING AWESOME!

I just completely screwed up in this game, and knew that we needed a fresh face in order to give us a shot. But tbh, i didnt really expect it would make much difference. You did far more than i could have anticipated. Well done!

BM

Were you doing that bad? I was pretty sure that everyone alive was ready to lynch me at the start of the day. =/

No, i prob would have considerd BM waaaaaaaaay before 5 mins before the deadline BM's meta screwed me over i thought there was no way he would replace out when so close to victory.

Damnit i was at work reading on my cell and Des had convinced me to switch to korts but i cant exactly do big posts on the cell and quoting and bold codes are a bitch, thats why i asked for a extension. oh well good game guys, me and pop almost made it 2 for 2 as winning town in a matter of 2 days.

I liked the set up alot ADel i could easily see how a mass claim early in the game could have been Fatal for townies. Throwing in 2 Mafia Rb's was a nice touch also.

[Incognito]

Heh. I know I wasn't in this game, but I followed a long with it a bit anyway because I was planning on replacing springlullaby but then looked at her posts and thought she was scum so I said "Naaaaaah, that's okay. I wanna replace town". Then she got NK-ed as scum lol.

Adel, I really liked the semi-open set-up. I think I might try a semi-open set-up in a future game I mod because of the benefits that you pointed out.

Aw des. =(