Mini 1252 - My Not So Humble Abode - Game Over

[weirdbeard]

If we don't lynch, it's me that'll die. That's not going to help you much.

[Beck]

yeah I guess you have a point

[Palmar]

I don't wanna play anymore.

Words can't express how angry I am at Draken. He must be the dumbest person to ever walk this earth, it's surprising he can write and read.

[monk]

Palmar enough with the personal attacks I'm not going to replace someone in MYLO so unless you can find a replacement you're here to play

[Palmar]

ok then.

Vote: Weirdbeard

Reasons:

a) I don't care if I win anymore, I just want to punish people who are bad.

b) Weirdbeard has a guilty claim on Johman on day 2, yet he doesn't do jack shit about it

c) I think RBD shot Johman, not WB.

So, with all the evidence on the table, I have concluded that Weirdbeard is actually terrible at mafia, and thus he must be lynched.

[Beck]

Palmar, right now u aren't using your head. Calm down please.

[Palmar]

No he's bad, and there's a reason enough to believe he's scum.

either we punish a dumbass, or we lynch scum. ezpz. win/win

[Beck]

So you don't beleive his claim?

You think 1 shot vig and bodyguard/watcher only is enough vs 3 mafia?

You sott if have to beleive his claim or you are actually a PR that you kept hidden.

I think scumhunter is scum, not weird.

[Beck]

Remember, when I cast suspicion on scum hunter, he replied with "but i think you are town"

That's obvious buddying.

[Palmar]

So you don't beleive his claim?

You think 1 shot vig and bodyguard/watcher only is enough vs 3 mafia?

You sott if have to beleive his claim or you are actually a PR that you kept hidden.

I think scumhunter is scum, not weird.

I think 1shot vigilante and bodyguard/watcher is borderline overpowered in a 13 man game with 3 mafia. But as you can maybe tell, I'm used to playing with better towns.

[Beck]

I don't agree about the setup. Do agree about the town.

[Palmar]

I still think you're clear. It's sad we wasted 2 days on stupid shit, because we would've had more time before lylo if people just listened to me in the first place.

If you're scum then my hat goes off to you for a game well played.

Which leaves WB and Scumhunter, so it's basically lylo, between the two.

I wanna see what scumhunter has to say. I have no interest in what WB has to say because on him it's all about the claim. It's just a matter of trying to figure out if he's terrible or scum.

[Palmar]

The thing is.

WB claims an incorrect play.

Scumhunter hasn't actually done anything particularly bad.

If we don't lynch WB we're at best rewarding terrible play, and at worst losing because we're too stubborn to punish people for playing badly.

[Beck]

Claims incorrect play how?

Has scumhunter done anything good?

[weirdbeard]

The scum still died and we got a clear. I don't see what's so terrible about my play. If I'd just outed Johman it wouldn't have achieved a whole lot anyway, in fact, we wouldn't have been in a situation with 2 practical clears yesterday if I had. And I thought Delta could quite plausibly be scum anyway. Palmar, my strategy for this role was different to yours but stop raging about it. All you've DONE all game is rage at people, so you're not a hell of a lot better than the people you criticise

I thought Delta could be scum anyway but he wasn't. If Johman had been leading a lynch, trust me, I'd have outed my guilty then. I'm always going to play for as much information as I can get personally.

Now Palmar, stop being an ass. Unless you're scum pulling some crazy gambit you're actively playing against your win-con right now, and I don't see why you shouldn't be replaced.

[weirdbeard]

Actually, I'm tired of this game

@mod Replace me please

[Beck]

Jesus, please just finish the game.

Palmar, what has been "so bad" about weird's play really?

Also, any thoughts to the buddying case I made on scumhunter the previous day phase?

I think for balance, weird is legit palmar which means it's you or scum. I honestly think scumhunter is the last scum here.

Palmar, if I'm wrong on scum, tell me why.

[weirdbeard]

@mod I retract that. Sorry, just getting very irritated with Palmar, plus RL is keeping me kinda busy. I doubt anyone would want to fill my spot at this point though, so I'll finish the game.

I'm not casting any votes without re-reading first. Scumhunter's been on my scum-dar since day 2 but I am nowhere NEAR sure that he is scum. I find it highly unlikely that Palmar is scum. Even from his actions today, it seems more likely he'd sheep a case on Beck or Scumhunter than go for the oddest target (me).

[Beck]

Has scumhunter even made a case on anyone?

I guess I need to go back and read.

[Palmar]

fuck it then

Vote scumhunter

[Scumhunter]

Beck, are you a scumlord? =/

The reason I said "I think you are town" at that point was to emphasize that my response to you wasn't an attack on you at all hoping that you would listen to what I said more with that understanding. Sure, it's buddying, but its buddying with the intention of clarifying my stance on things so that people I think are town (at that point anyways) will listen more to what I have to say..

As for Palmar, I don't really understand your rage right now, and it could be faked (not saying it is, saying it could be). I've been known to rage very hard from time to time, but I don't see Draken's play as so "lol idiotic" enough to be rage inducting. I don't see why you would be raging and giving up. You have been harping on how people play bad etc. and your attitude on mylo/lylo has been a "fuck it" mindset which really doesn't jive well with someone who is so concerned with good town play. I can see you just tunneling in this fuck the world mindset because its been working well for you this game if you are scum. Buckle down, if you are town, we can win this.

I very much think we should NL today. It has to be like at least 95% that weird is telling the truth here, but we lose nothing by NLing really. Weird can still participate in what should be a lengthy discussion today and go from there. It's better to be 100% sure someone is town than 95% someone is town.

As for who is scum, I don't know...I will say it pings me the wrong way Beck, when you say "but what has scumhunter done anything good?" What do you mean by "good"? I've participated in the game, said who I thought was scum or that I wasn't sure and have overall been completely honest about my intent at every point in the game. Past that what can a townie do? To me, "Good", implies looking good, aka people not thinking you are scum which is an attribute of what scum think of when they are talking about towniness as opposed to what townies think about in terms of what = towniness, which is people's motivations for their actions...

Palmar, why do you consider Beck clear? That is pretty retarded.

Weirdbeard, Palmar's vote on you is a ploy of some sort. I don't know if he's town or he's scum, but he's competent enough to know that you are very unlikely scum here. I can see two possible motivations for his vote on you...If he's town, he hopes to catch Beck or I out to see if one of us would go after you and fos you when you are pretty obv town here given just the setup mechanics. As scum, it would be a ploy to look like misguided town and/or angry town which would fit well with his "angry" attitude since the start of the game.

tldr, scum is Palmar or Beck. =/ =/ =/.

[Scumhunter]

Palmar, why is Beck clear?

[Palmar]

Palmar, what has been "so bad" about weird's play really?

On day 2, weirdbeard has confirmed scum from his check. I am trying to get that scum lynched.

Read wb's posts through day 2.

It's incorrect play, assuming he's town. He should have joined in and campaigned with me for the death of Johman. It's even more stupid that Draken somehow protecting Johman on day 2, and then accusing me of being scum on day 3, which I admit, was also terrible.

[Palmar]

Because beck's play, despite however bad it may have been at times, he has voted for countless townies, back on day 1 he said something like "I'm gonna vote this townie, but 2b1s is not off the hook", which I found really weird at the time, and now that we know 2b1s is scum, is actually bad.

And yet, given that, he has done the least retarded things of you all.

[Beck]

@ scumhunter, I asked that question to palmar because he said you hadnt played "particularly bad" so I was trying to find out what you had done that was good.

@ palmar, while that may not have been the exact wording, you are correct. I left 2b1s cause nobody was listening to me and voting him. I didn't have a that strong of a case, which was evident by the lack of support to get people to lynch him.

I tried many times to point out his bad play, yet nobody listened.