Minvitational Game 3

Antrax · Post Post #150 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2003 9:28 am

What I'd love to know is how whomever was attacked survived night 1. However, DP's explanation is not unfeasable.
Antrax

Sofis · Post Post #151 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2003 11:17 am

I had to go back and check what DP's explanation was... but it is unfeasible. Quercitron explicitly stated that someone was attacked. So the mafia did try to kill.

Antrax · Post Post #152 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:07 pm

Didn't occur to me. So, the real question is, are there double abilities? So far, I see no evidence of it. We have one doc claim, one plantifier (Werebear), one one-shot cop, one one-shot mayor, and my own abilitiy which isn't any of the above. With IS the saboteur, that's 6, and assuming 2 mafia, that's 8, leaving us with 4 unknowns. One of them _has_ to have an ability to explain the lack of night one kill. If he'd come out, and say "yeah, I'm a one-shot doc", I saved this and that, I'd feel much more secure about the structure of the game.
Antrax

Samadhi · Post Post #153 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:27 pm

Wasn't me. And we can apparently presume it's not DP.

Sofis · Post Post #154 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2003 6:32 pm

Not me, either.

Dragon Phoenix · Post Post #155 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2003 7:38 pm

It wasn't me indeed.

Antrax · Post Post #156 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2003 10:00 pm

Do you think now would be a good time for everybody to claim a role? Potentially we could expose mole's lie, if he's lying.
I know the town won't be damaged by me revealing my role.
Antrax

Dragon Phoenix · Post Post #157 (ISO) » Thu Jan 09, 2003 10:01 pm

Same here.

Samadhi · Post Post #158 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2003 12:51 pm

Well, this is a sure way to expose everyone any way. If someone says "I could be hurt if I reveal my role" aren't they exposed anyway?

jeep · Post Post #159 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2003 1:04 pm

Yes. It appears that Antrax is trying to con everyone into claiming an ability so that the mafia knows the most effective person to kill.

-JEEP

Antrax · Post Post #160 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2003 2:23 pm

Jeep, what is the recent stupidity parade that is your posts? I'm "conning" now?
Why is it bad if everybody claim a role? If the game has no double abilities, and the mafia aren't ultra creative, we nab them right now.
If the game does have double abilities, the mafia still have no clue what to do, simply because one-shot abilities really aren't that great. We're basically all the same. And they know who's innocent. Unless one of us has a one-shot of "find out everybody's role" and is keeping it for some reason, I really see no way this plan is better for the mafia than it is for the town. However, I'm not sure, so I raised it up for discussion, turning me, apparently, into a con artist. Okay. If you say so. If your role claim wasn't feasable, I'd so vote for you.
Antrax

jeep · Post Post #161 (ISO) » Fri Jan 10, 2003 5:40 pm

If the game has no double abilities,

How will we know???

I really see no way this plan is better for the mafia than it is for the town.

You aren't stupid, Antrax, so I assumed you are evil... It's obvious that people revealing their roles tell the mafia whom they should target. I revealed my role to explain the lack of a day 1 Werebear lynch. Other than that, people shouldn't reveal their roles until they have to. If Werebear hadn't lied, I'd be certain you were mafia, but his stupid lying turns the whole thing on it's ear.

-JEEP
~beats Werebears corpse with a stick~

Antrax · Post Post #162 (ISO) » Sat Jan 11, 2003 1:46 am

t's obvious that people revealing their roles tell the mafia whom they should target.

So obvious, you didn't even have to include why NOT, to counter my WHY. I must be the only one not seeing it. And Sofis. And DP. Oh my.

How we're gonna know? Well, if I come out and say "I'm the one-shot assmaster, I can sit on my ass once in the game and it does absolutely nothing", then suddenly DP says "me too!". And then Sofis says "hey, I'm the zombifier, once in a game I can resurrect someone", and then Jalyn says "hey, me too", I think we'd have a pretty good idea of either who the mafia are, or that we have double abilities. Revealing _all_ the rules will prevent the mafia from claiming "me too" for every role. Especially if we suddenly find a third.
Antrax

Samadhi · Post Post #163 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:19 pm

I myself would prefer more information than the less information we have now. I proposed the anti exposed notion so that people could be against the idea and avoid being targetted by the mafia.

I'd like input from everyone on this. Who thinks we should reveal our roles?

I do.

Antrax · Post Post #164 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:56 pm

Naturally, I'm for it. I'm still waiting to hear jeep's explanation on why he disagrees.
Antrax

jeep · Post Post #165 (ISO) » Sun Jan 12, 2003 2:55 pm

I didn't mention it in that post because I've already said it in at least one (and I think two) posts before the one you quoted:
If everyone reveals, the mafia knows the most effective person to kill. Say XYZ comes out "I'm a one shot cop" Oh, then tonight he dies with his ability wasted...

I'll leave it up to you guys to decide if it should be revealed, but unless the town gains something from revealing, I think you should hold off.

-JEEP

Antrax · Post Post #166 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2003 2:29 am

And again, you don't get it. The mafia have no way of knowing if he'd already used his ability, or not. Therefor, they really have no clue who to shoot. However, us as town have quite a lot to gain from everybody coming forward.
Antrax

ISO · Post Post #167 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2003 9:03 am

My own (fairly useless, for now) ability makes me suspect that the Mafia might have a way of knowing, actually. So,

small FOS: Antrax

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Antrax · Post Post #168 (ISO) » Mon Jan 13, 2003 10:16 am

Now I'm intrigued. How's that?
Anyhow, does anyone strongly oppose revealing roles, or can I go ahead and claim mine?
Antrax

jeep · Post Post #169 (ISO) » Thu Jan 16, 2003 8:33 am

BUMP. Hello??

-JEEP

ISO · Post Post #170 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2003 8:38 am

Antrax, in case it wasn't clear already, my role allows me to check one player to see if he has used his ability. Not particularly useful, unless I get a chance to see if someone is lying.

Anyway, my thinking is that, since quercitron told us the Mafia have one-time abilities as well, it would make sense if they were the same as some of ours. And, since I know what mine is, and you seemed to be preaching that the Mafia couldn't know that... (not the most solid evidence ever, which is why you only get the small FOS for now

).

Samadhi · Post Post #171 (ISO) » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:20 pm

Actually mith, that sounds like a useful ability for a mafia. Help you target someone who hasn't used their ability and what not. Also, in my e mail Q stated that I should be careful using my ability because there were people who could detect it. Why would he warn me about a townie?

FOS: mith

Antrax · Post Post #172 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:21 am

Where did QUERCITRON say the mafia have one-shot abilities, as well?
Antrax

ISO · Post Post #173 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:03 am

I wonder how many people are reading the silly setup. Hopefully all of you, given the fact that stuff like the Certificates were important last game.

All Townies have a one-time ability of some sort. However, so do the Grrini Mafia, as well as any other groups or people that may exist.

Antrax · Post Post #174 (ISO) » Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:28 am

Whoa. I completely missed it. I think we were debating it a few pages back (do the mafia have one-shot abilities). What a waste of time.

Anyhow, with mith coming forward with his role, I'm going to go ahead and reveal mine. I'm tired of waiting for agreement or disagreement.
So, I'm a one-shot vest. I'll obviously not say whether or not I've used my ability, but I WILL say it wasn't I who was responsible for the night one no-kill.
Antrax