Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Dannflor]

That's just preposterous, X-Shots are typically either one or two

I have no limit to my shots btw

but also like why do they claim 3-shot lol

[unwnd]

2ndchosen is scum and I'm very dissapointed that people are townreading him. I'm sure you ask: why is he scum? Appeal to reason; it just makes sense. That just happens to be the angle I'm working with and I'll continue to do so. His play reeks of someone who got antsy (see: jittery) about being on a team of familiar mates and just was afraid of keeping the lid on. I've seen this happen before and been a victim of it. You roll scum with "comfortable" people or those you'd prefer to be on (any) team with, and somehow it gets that much harder to create dynamics. What you're seeing right now is a team with no possible agenda as they haven't thought that far. You're seeing players who admitingly have never induced forum (outside of Kaz, who is now dead) and are making inane plays/statements and being put against the most sensible. Like, why would they try to fit in? I looked into your wall Dann and I imagine a lot of the conclusions you make is that it makes sense for Kaz but like

What if I was the one doing this? Claiming 3-shot. Asking if there's a SK. Saying stuff like 'we typically don't vote the claimed doc' just add 2ndchosen into this. You'd probably think it's scum right? Or at the least, off my fucking rocker. This is not the case and I am willing to dig deeper, I just wanted to give you a snapshot of what I'm working with and the foundation of my reads.

[Dannflor]

Town Vigilante
Town Jack-of-all-Trades (Neapolitan, Gunsmith, Tracker)
Bulletproof Townie
Innocent Child Jailkeeper Enabler

x6 VTs

Mafia Jailkeeper
Mafia Informed
Mafia Goon

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Town 3-shot Vigilante
Town Jack-of-all-Trades (Neapolitan, Gunsmith, Tracker)
Bulletproof Townie
Innocent Child Jailkeeper Enabler

x6 VTs

Mafia Jailkeeper
Mafia Informed
Mafia Goon

[Dannflor]

I guess I can't assume the third scum is a goon?

[Dannflor]

scum looks a bit weak as is

[Dannflor]

Saying stuff like 'we typically don't vote the claimed doc' just add 2ndchosen into this.

I was the one who said this

[Dannflor]

I'll look at 2ndchosen1 again with this lens

[unwnd]

Yeah town has a lot of power, the informed isn't even really a PR in hindsight, so I'd expect them to have something to counter-act

[unwnd]

Saying stuff like 'we typically don't vote the claimed doc' just add 2ndchosen into this.

I was the one who said this

I seriously remember Hayker saying that am I getting delusional

[Dannflor]

There's also the fact that the jailkeeper is conditional on keeping me alive

[Kazyan]

I looked into your wall Dann and I imagine a lot of the conclusions you make is that it makes sense for Kaz but like

What if I was the one doing this? Claiming 3-shot. Asking if there's a SK. Saying stuff like 'we typically don't vote the claimed doc' just add 2ndchosen into this. You'd probably think it's scum right? Or at the least, off my fucking rocker.

This would be an interesting point if you were the one saying these things, but you aren't, so this is another reach that doesn't actually matter. I'm the one saying them, and these things do make sense for me as town, because that's what I'm doing.

[unwnd]

I'll look at 2ndchosen1 again with this lens

Do u still want the case cause like

I honestly don't like going hard on cases and just try to wing it (but I'll make the exception here)

[Dannflor]

we don't hammer a doctor claim

other people probably just echoed this afterward

[Dannflor]

I'll look at 2ndchosen1 again with this lens

Do u still want the case cause like

I honestly don't like going hard on cases and just try to wing it (but I'll make the exception here)

I mean like

if there's anything specifically you want to draw my attention to, then please do

I'm not gonna ask you to write up a wall as long as I did but like if you have any thing specific off the top of your head you want to be sure I see or that is bugging you then sure write that out

[unwnd]

I got some work to do and will probably write a wall because while yes I love to be lazy

I also love to be right, and if I can convince others then that's just a bonus

[Dannflor]

lolol im sorry for this tin foil but what if both the vigs are real

[Dannflor]

nah probably too many confirmable townies then

[Dannflor]

And yeah I'll wait unwnd

[Dannflor]

Ugh I thought this was gonna be a nice laidback no-pressure stress-free game of mafia after I rolled IC

[Kazyan]

The crux of unwnd's argument about 2ndchosen1 appears to be that there's a failure to create dynamics among the hypothetical Hayker/Kazyan/2ndchosen1 scum team, because we're all familiar with each other. (unwnd did not specifically say that the dynamics would be among us in 1601, but does in 1540, so that seems to be the implication.) There are multiple problems with this point of view. Firstly, you'd expect this scumteam not to have as much of a problem creating dynamics with town if this is the case, so to point out a lack of dynamics in that group, you have to assume (or show) that there

are

dynamics with the rest of the hypothetical town. unwnd focuses on 2ndchosen1 specifically. The reason that you can't find 2ndchosen1 having long conversations with me or Hayker is that 2ndchosen1 is quiet

overall

. here are the number of posts in the current remaining players' ISOs at the time of writing:

Dannflor: 270
unwnd: 173
Kazyan: 117
Lunar Martian: 105
2ndchosen1:

51

So, if course 2ndchosen1 looks suspicious if you're speculating about total possible-scumbuddy content instead of the possible-scumbuddy-to-townie content ratio--he has less than half as many posts as literally every other remaining player in the game. Looking for a lack of dynamics with scum buddies as compared to townies is thus not indicative of any team.

Secondly, if you go through my ISO, a lazy Ctrl+F brings up 2ndchosen1 45 times. It brings up Hayker 64 times. (These numbers are immediately outdated by me publishing this post, though.) Hayker has been long-since eliminated, but in his 27-post ISO, he mentions me in six posts. We have no shortage of content between us, so the suggestion that we do is unfounded, except for in the trivial case of 2ndchosen1 being quiet overall.

[Dannflor]

nah probably too many confirmable townies then

Also scum woulda hammered lol

Ignore me I’m getting crazy

[Dannflor]

I believe unwnd is Mafia. I'm not sure about partners, I'll have to re-read which I do not have time to do at the moment.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Unwnd is Town 90%. I'm ready to vote Kazyan.

lunar wtf happened here

[Lunar Martian]

I believe unwnd is Mafia. I'm not sure about partners, I'll have to re-read which I do not have time to do at the moment.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Unwnd is Town 90%. I'm ready to vote Kazyan.

lunar wtf happened here

I remembered the truth!

[Lunar Martian]

Or I almost climbed out of the pocket and slipped. But I think I remembered the truth.

[Dannflor]

hmmm