NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Xite91]

Okay, so apparently there was less than I thought.
Sorry if that last post wasn't clear, but I had to point that out.

Instead of blocking Dana or Killing dana, they can try to kill who else they think is a PR and same for RBing them.
Then, they can set this up and we as the town can lynch him. It's two/three for one/two. Get it?

[Gorrad]

Uh-huh. And they'd risk Dana hitting one of them at night? Remember, none of them had died going into N1.

[Gorrad]

Plus, Dana was top of my scumlist until the claim. Read my WoT when I entered.

[hiphop]

Wait, I take that back. Bunny hammered Mysterio an hour after I put him at L-2. Super duper mega scum

So if you have someone this scummy, why don't you vote?

I don't like the whole WIFOM by dana and sadly wraith is still making the most sense out of the 2 of them

vote dana

Wait a minute, what happened to me?

You vote me, you gave reasons, yet you switch back before I even post? And then you make it seem between dana and wraith yet your vote was on me. What? My vote remains. And I guess I was mistaken about the buddying thing. I don't know what I was thinking.

I think Dana is a terribad Cop. I think Scum are counting on him being a terribad player, and using their powers on other, better targets, while they wait for his crappy play to get him killed. I'm willing to give Dana one more night before putting him on the chopping block

Can somebody actually listen to this? Guys think about it. How many times does the cop get lynched because of wifom? Like I said in the last game the cop went through three nights in a mini, and not once getting rb'd, and then gave town the win. Yet all three days town had a wagon on him. See the connections? Why should scum nk when they can lynch him? Question- If you were scum, and you had someone that was very much lynchable, would you nk him if he was cop? And the fact that people made it known they wanted him lynched made it that more likely. And you guys said yourself that if he were rb'd, you would be more likely to believe his claim, so why should scum rb him, and have people believe, when they can kill the person he got an innocent on?

What is wrong with a cop, doc in a bam large game? The fact that he claimed cop, and nobody cc, made is claim that more believable to me.

Also is Dana the last scum? Why take the chance of lynching a claimed cop, when there are other scum that are not as much of a threat to town's chances if he isn't scum. Lynch the other scum first, and if push comes to shove, then come back and lynch dana. At least do the town the favor of letting dana get as many investigations in as possible.

And finally now that the rb is dead, scum can't rb him, so if he is scum he can't claim so.

[UltimaAvalon]

Wait, I take that back. Bunny hammered Mysterio an hour after I put him at L-2. Super duper mega scum

So if you have someone this scummy, why don't you vote?

Reasons. Also, Robb is the play. He put the L-1 vote without a claim a few minutes before bunny, and has been the scummiest player in the game since D2

[UltimaAvalon]

EBWOP: And by "few minutes" I mean an hour

[Xite91]

Uh-huh. And they'd risk Dana hitting one of them at night? Remember, none of them had died going into N1.

Okay, I'm done.
I have an idea

Dana-cop-targeting discussion ends now

It's just diluting the thread and keeping us from scumhunting altogether.
If someone has something ELSE to add about Dana that has nothing to do with him being a cop (Unless it's a counter-claim, but please don't be dumb) then I would LOVE to hear it. But if they don't, tell me your top suspect based on their play, or on analysis, not on WIFOM

[evilpacman18]

I have a couple people I'd like to iso. Except I don't know how to iso. Help?

[Xite91]

I have a couple people I'd like to iso. Except I don't know how to iso. Help?

Go to the bottom of the page. It should say something to the effect of show posts by user and then you scroll through and pick your user

[Antihero]

Wow, I had no idea that function existed. *slaps self*

[Gorrad]

Uh-huh. And they'd risk Dana hitting one of them at night? Remember, none of them had died going into N1.

Okay, I'm done.
I have an idea

Dana-cop-targeting discussion ends now

It's just diluting the thread and keeping us from scumhunting altogether.
If someone has something ELSE to add about Dana that has nothing to do with him being a cop (Unless it's a counter-claim, but please don't be dumb) then I would LOVE to hear it. But if they don't, tell me your top suspect based on their play, or on analysis, not on WIFOM

For a case on Dana that has nothing to do with him being a cop, read my WoT upon entering the game.

UA, you think one more day will change jack squat? Why? I'm willing to listen. Right now the three people I'd lynch, in order most to least: Dana, Wraith, Robb. I could be convinced on Hiphop or Flinter.

Hiphop, what's all this 'last scum' bull. Do you have any reason to think that there's not more than three scum in a game this large? Also, BBM is kinda notorious for crazy setups. Cop-doc is not precisely his MO.

Pacman, go to the bottom of the page where it says 'Display posts by user', select who you want to iso, then press 'go'.

[Xite91]

Hiphop, what's all this 'last scum' bull. Do you have any reason to think that there's not more than three scum in a game this large? Also, BBM is kinda notorious for crazy setups. Cop-doc is not precisely his MO.

The point was that he WOULDN'T be the last scum at this point.
Also, your case then was based on a few points of his play day 1 was it not? So how about some more points for today?

[Gorrad]

Ah! I misunderstood.

He didn't post for the majority of D2, and all his defensive D3 posts are him speculating on obscure, rare roles. Admittedly this is a BBM game and I'd be far from surprised to see one of those role, but I doubt that's his train of thought.

[Xite91]

Ah! I misunderstood.

He didn't post for the majority of D2, and all his defensive D3 posts are him speculating on obscure, rare roles. Admittedly this is a BBM game and I'd be far from surprised to see one of those role, but I doubt that's his train of thought.

That second part...
Who? I don't really recall that from dana, but I can go back and look.

Also, are we all forgetting how scummy robbie really is?

[Robbnva]

Ah! I misunderstood.

He didn't post for the majority of D2, and all his defensive D3 posts are him speculating on obscure, rare roles. Admittedly this is a BBM game and I'd be far from surprised to see one of those role, but I doubt that's his train of thought.

That second part...
Who? I don't really recall that from dana, but I can go back and look.

Also, are we all forgetting how scummy robbie really is?

seeming scummy =/= actually being scummy. I am not scum and will keep saying that til I do eventually die and when I flip town you will be like holy shit he was telling the truth.

2nd. whoever said I was scummy for putting mysterio at L-1. first I did not realize that was L-1, 2nd I had already showed my suspicion on him, 3rd the person who hammers without allowing the person to claim, especially when that person was the doctor is the one we should actually be lynching today. Even if he turns out to be town there is NO EXCUSE to not let a person claim before the hammer. It has happened to me twice on this site already and it is fucking lame. On my other site I have seen a cop,watcher, doctor, and vigilante all hammered without claims.

Hammering without allowing a claim is the most NON-TOWN action a person can do and so with that

Vote bunnylover

there is no valid reason why you don't allow someone to claim, deadline wasn't that close that he could not wait for mysterio to claim

@ Hiphop, I still think you are scum, my reasons are still valid. you fly under the radar and you vote for no reason or for ridiculous reasons and that adds up to scum in my book but there are bigger fish to fry.

[Xite91]

Votes from robbie today.

Yeah I agree wraith is the lynch for this day

[/b]vote wraith[/b]

I apologize to Xite, was pretty sure X was a BG

Damn bold fail

vote wraith

Okay, I had my suspicions of dana as Day 2 dragged on, mostly revolving around the fact that he never really had a reason for voting me beyond what everyone else said, and avoided the question TWICE when I put it to him. This post is what pushed me over the edge:

Inno on Xite was my result. I didn't investigate Wraith because I figured it would be too obvious and scum might be able to affect it somehow (like a lawyer or framer). So I wish to lynch Wraith like we should have yesterday. vote: Wraith

Let me get this straight: you didn't want to investigate me (and therefore prove my innocence) because you thought a scum framer could frame me? And then you want to lynch me anyway despite thinking the MAFIA would frame me?

Vote: danakillsu

I actually like this logic, however because it is coming from you I am reluctant to do this but since I was the one who originally pointed out the role-blocking I am comfortable doing this

Vote dana

I'll give you benefit of the doubt X for now cause I guess I could see that happen(although unlikely)

vote hip hop

votes no reason
laying low and active lurking

I don't like the whole WIFOM by dana and sadly wraith is still making the most sense out of the 2 of them

vote dana

Ah! I misunderstood.

He didn't post for the majority of D2, and all his defensive D3 posts are him speculating on obscure, rare roles. Admittedly this is a BBM game and I'd be far from surprised to see one of those role, but I doubt that's his train of thought.

That second part...
Who? I don't really recall that from dana, but I can go back and look.

Also, are we all forgetting how scummy robbie really is?

seeming scummy =/= actually being scummy. I am not scum and will keep saying that til I do eventually die and when I flip town you will be like holy shit he was telling the truth.

2nd. whoever said I was scummy for putting mysterio at L-1. first I did not realize that was L-1, 2nd I had already showed my suspicion on him, 3rd the person who hammers without allowing the person to claim, especially when that person was the doctor is the one we should actually be lynching today. Even if he turns out to be town there is NO EXCUSE to not let a person claim before the hammer. It has happened to me twice on this site already and it is fucking lame. On my other site I have seen a cop,watcher, doctor, and vigilante all hammered without claims.

Hammering without allowing a claim is the most NON-TOWN action a person can do and so with that

Vote bunnylover

there is no valid reason why you don't allow someone to claim, deadline wasn't that close that he could not wait for mysterio to claim

@ Hiphop, I still think you are scum, my reasons are still valid. you fly under the radar and you vote for no reason or for ridiculous reasons and that adds up to scum in my book but there are bigger fish to fry.

Notice a pattern? Anyone?

And for the record robbie, it's a lot scummier to give someone a chance to hammer at all without getting the claim first.

[Robbnva]

Whatever, I'm done with your shit for real

I won't be back til I'm prodded, Xite I'd you are town you fail

[Wraith]

Xite, you're making things way too complicated using WIFOM. Let's go with the simple explanation. Secondly, Gorrad said it well: why in hell would the scum block random people when there's a claimed cop out there? Thirdly, a scum setup of dana for a mislynch by not roleblocking him and not killing him relies on several very incredible coincidences:

1. Dana doesn't investigate one of them and calls out the scum
2. Dana plays a scummy game after his game
3. The Roleblocker being revealed before dana is lynched

It's only been by sheer chance that all of these criteria have been met. The simple explanation is that dana is scum. The complicated explanation is that the scum went through all the trouble to rely on miniscule percentages of chance that their gambit could be set up even after one of their number was dead. I'm going to believe the simple explanation every single time until proven otherwise, so stop trying to drown me in WIFOM.

Thirdly, at this point I do not care about his claim. If, by some stroke of bad town luck, he is a town cop, then he is playing a horribly scummy game and making awfully bad decisions. If he wasn't a claimed cop he would have been lynched already for what he's said today alone.

[Wraith]

EBWOP: *"Dana plays a scummy game after his claim"

*Fourthly

[UltimaAvalon]

UA, you think one more day will change jack squat? Why? I'm willing to listen.

Maybe it won't change anything. Maybe it will. I see that the last two nights he made horrible choices for investigations. I'd like to see a 3rd investigation from him before putting him on the block. Besides, lynching him means we don't lynch robb. If we don't lynch Robb, then Robb keeps posting. And I don't think I can handle that.

[danakillsu]

@Wraith
The WIFOM is exactly the point. If what I'm saying is WIFOM, which I agree it is, then what you are saying is even MORE WIFOM, since you are trying to prove that I am scum using it. UA puts this well when he asks what makes Wraith's WIFOM more believable.
@Xite
If Robbnva counts, I find him scummy, but he doesn't seem to have much attention on him.
@ Gorrad
I have already explained a few ways that roleblocking/killing me would NOT benefit scum more or that they were not ABLE to roleblock/kill me. Why do you persist in assuming that not roleblocking/killing me helps them more. And btw, you do realize that by voting me, you are actually making your reasons for voting me pointless. If I get lynched, then it would make sense for scum to keep me alive as town, because they knew I was going to be lynched anyway. Do you really think getting a guilty would have changed this situation? I don't. If people won't believe my inno, why would they believe my guilty?
I would do just about anything just for one more night of investigations, so UA's ideas are very much to my liking.

[evilpacman18]

I'm noticing that people are ignoring dana's game before he claimed cop. It seems to me like people remember that he was acting scummy but they've forgotten just how scummy he was acting. Cuz he was acting REALLY FREAKING SCUMMY.

Scummy =/= scum

but

Scummy = deserve to be lynched

[danakillsu]

I don't care how scummy you think I played early in the game, that's really not the issue at all. I have claimed cop, and unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am NOT cop, you should think VERY seriously indeed about trying to lynch me.
I agree with Xite, though, and I'm not going to talk anymore about people targetting me during the night, since I really don't know what happens during the night anyway, except who I choose to investigate.

[Robbnva]

I don't care how scummy you think I played early in the game, that's really not the issue at all. I have claimed cop, and unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am NOT cop, you should think VERY seriously indeed about trying to lynch me.
I agree with Xite, though, and I'm not going to talk anymore about people targetting me during the night, since I really don't know what happens during the night anyway, except who I choose to investigate.

K I know I wasn't going to say anything else but this post is a big fucking pile of horseshit. He doesn't say he is cop, he doesn't sound like a cop defending himself

he says I claimed cop and you can't prove I'm lying so until somebody else can don't lynch me

not sure where my vote was but to clarify

vote Dana

real cop would not word it like he has

[My Milked Eek]

I'm here. /unprod

I was just enjoying some Pokemon Black >_>
I got a bit too much into it, even forgetting about this game (and others).

ANYWAYS, I'll catch up on this day and post some stuff.