*GAME OVER* Mini 1690 - Zed's Tavern! (Mafia Win!)

[Ozgin]

Searching for a Cheetory6 replacement.

As of now, the votes have been all reset to null (everyone is considered unvoted, including the Cheetory slot) and the deadline has been frozen. The game may continue as is, and the current three players may lynch if they desire.

If a replacement for Cheetory is not found within 72 hours... well, I don't know what I'll do, but it won't be good.

[Billi bilaði]

Well, maybe the easiest replacement would be one of the dead VTs, f.ex. Mahonster, that know the game, but know nothing they shouldn't know. They don't need to read up on the game. (I don't know if that is allowed here, but that's the way we try to do it on my local site.)

[Billi bilaði]

No I mean the is no way aero can be the godfather. He would have hammered and won the game earlier if he were.

Which means it's you or cheetory.

And while I may be leaning toward cheetory I haven't counted anything out.

Ahhh. I wasn't thinking straight, so I missed Aero's chance to hammer was a clearance.

So, basically, the game is about you and Aero figuring out which of me and Cheet's slot is the culprit.
The game can be decided upon your two votes. So if we don't get a replacement, I'll just shut up, and the two of you can salvage the game.
(So, V/LA until replacement is found, or dragon and Aero decide upon a final result.)

[Aeronaut]

Well, I honestly thought that all of that was cheetory trying to ATE, because cheetory is smart and he could be that convincing. I guess the replace suggests otherwise though

Ughhhhhh

[dragonspawn]

Yeah I was kind of seeing it as an appeal to emotion as well. I'm not sure what to think.

[Aeronaut]

I think he's just having some real life stuff honestly. I wouldn't take most of that stuff personally.

[dragonspawn]

I didn't. I just assumed he was playing the game till the end. Now I'm not sure.

[Ozgin]

Titus replaces Cheetory6. Welcome, and thank you.

[Titus]

I saw the mods reply and I figured this would be really short endgame type style thinking.

Claims if any please. I got some votes to color.

[dragonspawn]

Bulletproof cop. I was told aero is town and he could have hammered earlier is he was godfather

[Billi bilaði]

Yup, this is just a question of you and me.
Your predecessor claimed VT Neighbor (and the neighbor part was basically confirmed by the other neighbor).
I claim VT.

dragon is a claimed cop with a cop enabler dead in the game and no other cop.
Aero is cleared as he had opportunity to hammer for a win if he was scum, as well as having a cop clearance.

So, the lynch today ends the game...

[Titus]

Thanks for the claims. If it's nothing to you, I'm still going to do my VCA. Given an enabler though I highly doubt GF but I have to check my work.

[Billi bilaði]

And now it's in the AM with work tomorrow, so I'll catch you all up in the morning.

[Titus]

Mod: Did Grimmjow/jazzmyn know their partners? Some variants of traitor have them know. Others are in the dark.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Vote Counts

Votecount 1.0

After taking a few shots of whiskey, things are getting fun. Little do you know, someone wants you dead...

• [L-6]
  Shiro
  (1):
  Aeronaut
  
  [L-6]
  pisskop
  (1):
  zakk
  
  [L-5]
  zakk
  (2):
  Shiro

  , BlockyMan
  
  [L-6]
  Silverwolf
  (1):
  Mahonster
  
  [L-4] Aeronaut (3):
  pisskop

  ,

  Silverwolf

  ,

  Chevre
  
  [L-6] dragonspawn (1):
  Billi bilaði

Currently Not Voting:

dragonspawn,

davesaz

, BlockyMan,

Quaroath

,

Jazzmyn

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2015-07-02 14:30:00) remain.

Votecount 1.02

You non-chalantly order yourself a fuzzy navel... What? It's not a sissy drink! It's tastey! Shut up!

• [L-6]
  Shiro
  (1):
  Aeronaut
  
  [L-4]
  zakk
  (3):
  Shiro

  , BlockyMan, dragonspawn
  
  [L-6]
  Silverwolf
  (1):
  Mahonster
  
  [L-3] Aeronaut (4):
  pisskop

  ,

  Silverwolf

  ,

  Chevre

  ,

  zakk
  
  [L-5] dragonspawn (2):
  Billi bilaði,

  davesaz
  
  [L-6]
  Mahonster
  (1):
  Quaroath

Currently Not Voting:

Jazzmyn

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Searching for a replacement for

davesaz

.

(expired on 2015-07-02 14:30:00) remain.

Votecount 1.03

Nothing warms my soul like a scotch on the rocks...

• [L-4]
  zakk
  (3):
  BlockyMan, dragonspawn,

  Chevre
  
  [L-4] Aeronaut (3):
  pisskop

  ,

  Silverwolf

  ,

  zakk
  
  [L-6] dragonspawn (1):
  davesaz
  
  [L-6]
  Mahonster
  (1):
  Quaroath
  
  [L-6]
  Quaroath
  (1):
  Mahonster
  
  [L-6]
  Chevre
  (1):
  Jazzmyn
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Aeronaut, Billi bilaði,

Shiro

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

davesaz

replaces

davesaz

.

(expired on 2015-07-02 14:30:00) remain.

Votecount 1.04

You feel like something smooth, minty, and classy... The bartender serves you a Grasshopper, and that makes you one happy drinker.

• [L-6]
  zakk
  (1):
  BlockyMan
  
  [L-4] Aeronaut (3):
  pisskop

  ,

  zakk

  ,

  Chevre
  
  [L-6]
  Quaroath
  (1):
  Mahonster
  
  [L-2]
  Chevre
  (5):
  Jazzmyn

  ,

  Silverwolf

  ,

  Quaroath

  , dragonspawn,

  davesaz
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Aeronaut, Billi bilaði,

Shiro

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2015-07-02 14:30:00) remain.

Votecount 1.05

Feeling fancy? Please, have a selection from our fine wines. Chardonnay, perhaps? How about a red wine? We have plenty of selections.

• [L-6] BlockyMan (1):
  pisskop
  
  [L-6]
  zakk
  (1):
  BlockyMan
  
  [L-5] Aeronaut (2):
  zakk

  ,

  Chevre
  
  [L-6]
  Quaroath
  (1):
  Mahonster
  
  [L-1]
  Chevre
  (6):
  Jazzmyn

  ,

  Silverwolf

  ,

  Quaroath

  , dragonspawn,

  davesaz

  , Billi bilaði
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Aeronaut,

Shiro

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2015-07-02 14:30:00) remain.

Votecount 1.06

Today the bartender asked me what I want, and when I ordered a margarita he asked, "Salt or sugar?" I looked him in the eye and said, "Salt, what am I, a 12 year old girl?"

• [L-6] BlockyMan (1):
  Quaroath
  
  [L-4]
  zakk
  (3):
  BlockyMan, Aeronaut,

  pisskop
  
  [L-5] Aeronaut (2):
  zakk

  ,

  Chevre
  
  [L-2]
  Chevre
  (5):
  Jazzmyn

  ,

  Silverwolf

  , dragonspawn,

  davesaz

  , Billi bilaði
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Shiro

,

Mahonster

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Votecounts will be re-ordered when I have a little more time, but if not today then definitely will start D2 (since it's easier when starting over). New votes will be added to the current VC in order, though (I.E. the votes on

zakk

are in order, I believe).
Thank you for your patience.

(expired on 2015-07-02 14:30:00) remain.

Votecount 1.07

The crack of a beer bottle, the outage of the lights, and suddenly, someone is cut in a barfight.

• [L-6] BlockyMan (1):
  Quaroath
  
  [L-6]
  zakk
  (1):
  BlockyMan
  
  [L-5] Aeronaut (2):
  zakk

  ,

  Chevre
  
  
  [L-0]

  Chevre

  (7):

  Jazzmyn

  ,

  Silverwolf

  , dragonspawn,

  davesaz

  , Billi bilaði, Aeronaut,

  pisskop
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Shiro

,

Mahonster

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Ozgin has been prodded.

(expired on 2015-06-30 11:46:00) until Night 1 is over. Night 1 may end early if all actions are received prior to the deadline.

Votecount 2.00

After that fight yesterday, things are getting serious... *puts out cigarette*

Currently Not Voting:

Everyone

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2015-07-15 00:00:00) until Day 2 is over.

Votecount 2.01

It's karaoke night, ladies and gents. Sing along...

• [L-6]
  Jazzmyn
  (1):
  pisskop
  
  [L-6]
  Quaroath
  (1):
  Cheetory6
  
  [L-6]
  davesaz
  (1):
  Silverwolf
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

davesaz

, Aeronaut,

Shiro

,

zakk

,

Mahonster

, dragonspawn,

Jazzmyn

, Billi Biladi,

Quaroath

Hard-Prodding

Jazzmyn

. If he doesn't respond or post by tomorrow morning (around 6AM) he's going to be replaced.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2015-07-15 00:00:00) until Day 2 is over.

Votecount 2.02

Someone ordered a special brand of the Bloody Mary at Zed's. It's a house blend called a "Bloody

Chevre

."

• [L-6]
  Jazzmyn
  (1):
  pisskop
  
  [L-6]
  pisskop
  (1):
  Cheetory6
  
  [L-6]
  davesaz
  (1):
  Mahonster
  
  [L-3]
  Mahonster
  (4):
  dragonspawn,

  Quaroath

  ,

  Silverwolf

  , Aeronaut
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

davesaz

,

Shiro

,

zakk

,

Jazzmyn

, Billi Biladi

(expired on 2015-07-15 00:00:00) until Day 2 is over.

Votecount 2.03

I got up to go the bathroom at a bar once... Once.

• [L-6] Aeronaut (1):
  Cheetory6
  
  [L-3]
  Mahonster
  (4):
  Quaroath

  , Aeronaut, dragonspawn,

  pisskop
  
  [L-4]
  Quaroath
  (3):
  Billi Biladi,

  zakk

  ,

  Mahonster
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

davesaz

,

Shiro

,

Jazzmyn

(expired on 2015-07-15 00:00:00) until Day 2 is over.

Another mod announcement incoming...

Votecount 2.04

All of my nice glassware keeps getting broken when these bar fights break out... holy shit, is that guy dead, too?

• [L-6] Aeronaut (1):
  Cheetory6
  
  [L-6]
  Mahonster
  (1):
  Quaroath
  
  [L-5]
  Quaroath
  (2):
  zakk

  ,

  Mahonster
  
  
  [L-0]

  zakk

  (7):

  Shiro

  , Aeronaut,

  Silverwolf

  , Billi Biladi,

  Jazzmyn

  , dragonspawn,

  pisskop
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

davesaz

Just so you all know what happened: I had an abnormal mucus backup following my tonsillectomy. I couldn't swallow anything, when in order to be healthy with my condition I have to have 64 ounces of water a day. I struggled to drink 2oz, it would come up my nose and burn. I went back to being IV-hydrated, put on steroids for swelling, and some other medications to clear my throat. Now that I'm fully hydrated again and swallowing fine, I should be okay. I can eat and drink extremely soft/liquid foods (jello and pudding, water and tea). I just didn't wanna leave you guys worrying with all of you guys sending good wishes my way. Thank you all!

(expired on 2015-07-14 13:45:00) until Night 2 is over. Please submit your night actions by then!

Votecount 3.00

I like drinks sour. I love the New York Sour in particular. I mean, it's fruity with wine, but a strong whiskey drink as well. Can you spell... classy?

• [L-2]
  Shiro
  (3):
  pisskop

  , dragonspawn,

  davesaz
  
  [L-4]
  Quaroath
  (1):
  Mahonster
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Aeronaut,

Shiro

, Cheetory6,

Quaroath

, Billi Biladi

(expired on 2015-07-28 13:45:00) until Day 3 is over. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Votecount 3.01

Jägerbombs! Who doesn't love a Jägerbomb?

• [L-2]
  Shiro
  (3):
  pisskop

  ,

  davesaz

  , Billi Biladi
  
  [L-2]
  davesaz
  (3):
  Quaroath

  ,

  Shiro

  , dragonspawn
  
  [L-4]
  Quaroath
  (1):
  Mahonster
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Aeronaut, Cheetory6

(expired on 2015-07-28 13:45:00) until Day 3 is over. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Votecount 3.01

The cigarette is out, now it's serious...

• [L-2]
  Shiro
  (3):
  davesaz

  , Billi Biladi
  
  
  [L-0]

  davesaz

  (5):

  Quaroath

  ,

  Shiro

  , dragonspawn, Cheetory6,

  pisskop
  
  [L-4]
  Quaroath
  (1):
  Mahonster
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Aeronaut

(expired on 2015-07-19 10:00:00) until Night 3 is over. Please submit all night actions by then!

Votecount 4.01

You know, you burn drinks to get rid of the liquid, caramelizing the flavor of the alcohol. And it looks cool as hell. Cheers to some flaming amaretto.

• [L-2]
  Shiro
  (2):
  Aeronaut,

  Mahonster
  
  [L-2] Billi Biladi (2):
  Shiro

  , dragonspawn
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Cheetory, Billi Biladi

(expired on 2015-08-01 14:45:00) remain until Day 4 is over. With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Votecount 4.02

This is happening.

• [L-0]

  Shiro

  (4):

  Aeronaut,

  Mahonster

  , Billi Biladi, dragonspawn
  
  [L-2] Billi Biladi (1):
  Shiro
  
  

Currently Not Voting:

Cheetory, Billi Biladi

[Titus]

Can someone explain to me why Aero can't be the godfather and why the whole no hammer is important?

[Ozgin]

Mod: Did Grimmjow/jazzmyn know their partners? Some variants of traitor have them know. Others are in the dark.

Normally, I would not answer this question. However, this game follows the normal guidelines, and the normal guidelines for this role are clearly outlined on the wiki page. The traitor role was, in fact, made exactly according to those guidelines, and that should answer your question.

[Titus]

VOTE: BilliBadi

I'm ready to say let's go. 1 v 1.

[Billi bilaði]

Can someone explain to me why Aero can't be the godfather and why the whole no hammer is important?

dragon and I both had our votes on Cheet (you). Aero could have hammered, and thus end the game.
As GF he would then have won the game, as he would have night killed either me or dragon, and won 1 on 1 on the last day as the last scum standing.

So, it is between you and me, yes, and I have to follow suit:

VOTE: Titus

[dragonspawn]

Any thoughts on the matter aero?

[Aeronaut]

I'll come post here after work tonight.

Still pretty 50/50 tbh

[Aeronaut]

Ok, Billi, give me some condensed post about why Titus/Cheetory is scum. Or link your reasonings. Anything besides POE

[Billi bilaði]

Here you go, Aero:

Cheetory replaces into a scum slot.

Blockyman couldn't handle being both scum and neighbor, having to hide himself both here in the game, and on a neighbor talk thread.
He replaces out saying he can't play 2 games at a time. Probably replaced out of the more difficult one.

Cheetory comes in strong creating a distance to his known partner, Quaroath. Both for us, and maybe especially for his neighbor partner, Mahonster, so that he wouldn't be grilled about his Quaroath stance when the neighboring partnership would come up. Cheetory then lets this slide so that Quaroath doesn't have too much pressure.

Cheetory regularly comments about how strong the mafia is, that there can't be a GF because then it would be way to strong (I see Titus is on the same page there), while I noticed that Shiro (who I also believe is experienced here) has the opposite view, that the mafia is rather weak. So, what I'm pointing at here, is the difference between two players, how they are evaluating the balance in the game, and one of them now dead townie and therefor truthful.

Cheetory kills Mahonster, his neighbor partner, and therefor he can control what is said about the neighbor thread, f.ex. that Maho was starting to suspect me more than him. I could not get the vibe from Maho that he was at any time more sure about one or the other of us two.
He also kills the player that he doesn't know as well as you, Aero, and dragon. He must believe that he can manipulate his friends (from older games) better than a new player that also has a secondary view of him through the neighbor thread.

Cheetory spends the last part of the game to try to finish the game with quick-lynches. I believe that he was sincere in his background reasons of personal interferences, and that would effect that he wanted to finish quickly. But he poured on the AtE and didn't give any chance for "play-offs" between the two of us. He even disregarded his formerly strongest scum read of Aero being GF way before Aero was formally cleared. He just wanted a quick-lynch of me and be done with it.

[dragonspawn]

something to chew on.

[Titus]

Bill biabi, your case has several flaws.

First, I was looking at seeing the outer borders. I wasn't saying a GF couldn't be in the game because scum would be too strong. My posts were seeking confirmation that Aeronaut and dragon were indeed town. Your point about balance is irrelevant. While obviously the townie was likely truthful, people can disagree about balance and both be town. Otherwise, mafia discussion would be boring and empty.

Second, you haven't really taken much of a strong position

according to the vote counts

at the game. You've always been in the sweet spot middle, which is where scum like to hang out on a wagon.

Third, I cannot comment on what Cheetory was actually thinking but reads do indeed evolve. I haven't read the past game, but given the fact you misrepped my thoughts on Aero, you misrepping Cheetory's read evolution (which I'm presuming without looking) did happen.

Fourth, your case is largely conclusory. You put forth that all the good is "distancing" for show. The neighborhood tactic is a strawman. I could always paraphrase the chat, but you'd just go back to this strawman anyway. The strawman can equally be turned into a strawman of "you killed him, and saw the opportunity to make the very argument you're making now pre or post flip". It's an argument that can't really be proven or disproven.