kitten around/furtiveglance+Lady Lambdadelta/Ranger mafia thread

[furtiveglance]

The name would be Summon Phoenix then. I'm fine with that

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm okay with it but if you have other ideas lmk! i just wanna make jokes about how i'm suddenly here and i don't know why! ehehe

[xyzzy]

you don't need to set up a hydra account if you don't want to (you can just both post in the game thread), but you may.

[furtiveglance]

A hydra account is cooler though

[furtiveglance]

shall I make Summon (The) Phoenix?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sure!

I'm bad at account switching, I admit.

[xyzzy]

your hydra account now has access to this thread!

[Ranger]

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Summon_Phoenix could be funny

I love it.

[xyzzy]

you have chosen BETRAY.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WELL

THAT SURE WENT EXACTLY LIKE I PLANNED LOL

[Ranger]

By the way, if you couldn't tell, I lied about my claim. :P

Ranger Kills: Gimli

Obviously, Titus is killing me.

If Titus is lying, she should be eliminated tomorrow.
If Titus is telling the truth, her, imaginality, and I should all die.

Factoring in the nightkill, tomorrow should have 4 alive, Mylo.

Gimli's role represents a Mylo risk. Remove it, and the only unknown is Not_Mafia.
N_M lives, with Prince, Kitty, and Phoenix for company.

That should be a win for us, yes?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That was indeed the plan I setup for orchestration. My only concern is whether shooting NM is better than shooting Gimli, since Gimli will be able to think Phoenix is town and NM is practically confirmed town at this point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't know why you're talking about this like I hadn't laid out this plan from start of day to end of day including the part where we bus you into the ground.

Oh, btw. We picked the only choice that won us the game, but hilariously the other side confirmed did Collaborate, because the death that started the scum chain of events was QO shooting you, Ranger.

So, lol, you're welcome.

[Ranger]

xyzzy:

I realize I'm about to join him, so if I wait can deliver the message personally, but I actually meant to deliver the message at daystart, so can you tell MathBlade the following, please?

I'm so sorry, MathBlade. I sincerely did not intend to betray you. I had a plan which would have worked to allow for us to tie. Per the mods, when kitten around died we became separate factions technically opposed to each other, but there was a loophole which would have allowed us to still win together.

Per our role PM, we can’t kill someone who we know to be scum. That clause never had a deactivation to it, so would apply indefinitely.

By eliminating town on D4 and double-killing N4, we could have orchestrated a forced tie. I confirmed with the mod a 1:1 or 2:2 would be a tie, because the faction with a kill couldn't kill a player they knew was mafia.

I claimed my kill, hoping you'd catch my intent to signal "please kill KittyTacky", so we could have an all-scum pt for coordinating the tie from N4 onwards.

It would've worked, too, but I wasn’t anticipating being vigged on N3. N4, being vigged was fine, but N3 was too soon. It meant my plan would no longer work, because we needed the extra nightkill for one extra day.

I truly am sorry. We SHOULD have won the game together. A lucky stray vig for reasons highly inaccurate ruined the plan, but it WOULD have worked, so both factions COULD have cooperated if not for the N3 vig. I do deeply regret it, but I didn’t have a backup plan. I trusted LLD's judgement, and their call was Betray. You did deserve to have won. <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, also

PHOENIX DON'T PLAY FOR TIES

PHOENIX PLAY FOR THE WIN

[Ranger]

Oops, meant to use either her/faer in that message, not 'their'. My bad.

That was indeed the plan I setup for orchestration. My only concern is whether shooting NM is better than shooting Gimli, since Gimli will be able to think Phoenix is town and NM is practically confirmed town at this point.

Not_Mafia is a wildcard thanks to having not claimed, but there is enough suspicion on his actions that an elimination may be possible still.

He is who to shoot if not Gimli, but since you're going to be the slot in Mylo, it's your call.

If you prefer Gimli alive over NM, then we kill NM.

[Ranger]

I don't know why you're talking about this like I hadn't laid out this plan from start of day to end of day including the part where we bus you into the ground.

Oh, btw. We picked the only choice that won us the game, but hilariously the other side confirmed did Collaborate, because the death that started the scum chain of events was QO shooting you, Ranger.

So, lol, you're welcome.

Oh, I figured.

I knew how bad both cooperating would be for us as I correctly suspected I was the N3 trigger.
Both betraying would've been bad, but I figured MathBlade would stick to cooperation, not knowing my plan was reliant on things which couldn't work anymore.

I knew your intent was to orchestrate a town elimination and have favorable interactions with me.

I place full trust in your judgment, including tonight.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't know why you're talking about this like I hadn't laid out this plan from start of day to end of day including the part where we bus you into the ground.

Oh, btw. We picked the only choice that won us the game, but hilariously the other side confirmed did Collaborate, because the death that started the scum chain of events was QO shooting you, Ranger.

So, lol, you're welcome.

Oh, I figured.

I knew how bad both cooperating would be for us as I correctly suspected I was the N3 trigger.
Both betraying would've been bad, but I figured MathBlade would stick to cooperation, not knowing my plan was reliant on things which couldn't work anymore.

I knew your intent was to orchestrate a town elimination and have favorable interactions with me.

I place full trust in your judgment, including tonight.

I'm gonna consider for the 72 hours on which one we should kill.

Feel free to talk me through the things you know, like full role claims and scenarios you see. Any info helps.

[furtiveglance]

It's a tough one. I like Gimli and keeping him around is more iconic

NM isn't really a fun bean, wouldn't mind smoking him but it would be possible to mislim him I think ('you killed Lycan!')

Prince seems really smart and engaged, I think we'd look a bit bad pushing him

KittyTacky is sort of town by claim if you subscribe to certain setup ideas. Prince strong TRs Kitty.

[Ranger]

Prince would push either Gimli or NM I feel.
Prince would be pushed by Gimli, but NM doesn't push anyone.
KittyTacky might push Prince, but if not probably pushes either Gimli or NM.
NM is a wildcard.
Gimli seems to think you're town.

I might review more later.

[furtiveglance]

I'd like to fool Gimli, but I'd also quite like to be caught by him. Is that weird?

[furtiveglance]

I think Gimli is the one scumreading NM so that could work as a frame but I'm not sure