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[RobCapone]

VOTE: Bill McQuill for posting just enough to get by yesterday

Is this your first post day 2?

[RobCapone]

It's helpful to me, besides if you re-read you could probably figure it out

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Any comments on my penpen case?

Also, I had a scum read on Snake Eyes at one point, but it kind of died out before the day is over.

I just think other people are more deserving of a lynch and I am just not sold he is scum just yet. This is where being a newb/VI plays against you and right now we need to get today's lynch right, we don't have too many mislynches available in this game (not saying that lynching pen will be a mislynch) and there are others who need to be looked at.

this week needs to play out the entire time I think.

[RobCapone]

cmon with this nonsense

[RobCapone]

I do apololgize for missing your V/LA

i need a hobby or atleast figure out how to work slower at work.

[RobCapone]

Tell me how I can prove my claim?

Paste my role pm? Nope
paste my night action report? Nope

all I have is my word and my meta, I can assure you I'm not playing like my scum meta but that is null cause as people line to say "people can change their meta"

I dong know how to prove it but I sure as hell won't grovel to not be lynched either, it won't be my fault.

[RobCapone]

I wondered that myself and can only come up speculations

1. Mafia thinks there could be a doc
2. My play is so scummy they are banking on still getting me lynched
3. I was so far off on who I suspected they figured, I'd never catch them

the question I wondered is why Snake and Ash.

Clearly Zito is the "town hero" and a pretty damn good mafia player, good players with town cred are usualyy taken out early so Why are you not dead Zito?

I know if I was mafia, you would have been my target

just like in GLB, you are a threat to scum and need to go ASAP

[RobCapone]

Need more posting from Hiraki, EA, and penpen too while we are waiting for Bill/Barry

[RobCapone]

I disagree, but I never agreed with zito that EA was confirmed town.

Tbh I'm not sure what to make of the no kill flavor ad I have never really seen that before. There should be something to diferentiate the kills. As we have the normal mod playing ill bite my tongue.

[RobCapone]

Oh damn I missed that, good catch.

examine note for fingerprints

I wish lol

[RobCapone]

The bolded was a joke post sorry, where I play on GLB, they use off the wall mechanics like searching bodies and what not

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also zito, why have been anti bill all game, but as soon as grey ice was on Lynch-2 you voted for him? and encouraged others to hammer quickly?
overly enthusiastic townie or scum?

Good questions

[RobCapone]

No bvoight it doesn't make zito town. He could be mafia saying that too

[RobCapone]

Vote: Erratus

His vote on Bill is crappola.

so let's see here

day 1 your vote was on Bill almost the entire day until later when my wagon starterd and you were adamant that he was scum, even without feeling like making a case for him.

now Bill, your top suspect gets to L-2 and you make no comments about it and vote for somebody who is voting for Bill?

tell me how this makes any sense

[RobCapone]

Zito, while I agree about hiraki, please explain your reasons

[RobCapone]

@penpen: You're supposed to be voting Bill.

If I vote bill yall will just accuse me of sheeping or bw.
Not to mention I will then yet again be called "Dangerous" by none other than the great Subgenius.

We can't have that.

Subgenius? The one you have listed as town?

Why do you care what others think of you if you are town, vote your own suspensions. Don't let anyone make your choice for you

[RobCapone]

I've been telling you people, hiraki is scum

[RobCapone]

There is no way you know that.

[RobCapone]

It's okay if you don't agree.

But that vote is completely wasted. Nobody is pushing EA. There's no wagon there. Voting EA without pushing him or providing a case means he's just parking his vote and hoping.

I agree with the vote, he did that d1 with Bill and I called him out to make a case and he refused.

But nobody listens to me.

[RobCapone]

@ Hiraki - yeah your iso 39 is when you essentially say "you have no proof I am scum"

that's a great defense

[RobCapone]

Hiraki says this in his ISO 39

I will admit his recent posts have gotten better, so I may take a better look at him, but he's my #1 scum read at this point.

and than Bill gets to L-2 and he avoids voting Bill and votes for somebody who votes Bill


please tell me how this is town motivation to vote for a person voting your number 1 scum read instead of voting your number 1 scum read

p.edit - Thank you EA, exactly what I am talking about

[RobCapone]

I will admit his recent posts have gotten better, so I may take a better look at him, but he's my #1 scum read at this point.

at this point.[ /quote]

I told you that I wanted an ISO of everyone in the game. Because I don't have a computer right now, as in right now of 6:42 AM, I'm unable to give you the full specs of my vote.

Not to mention, let's face it. My case on Bill was pretty crappy. I'm annoyed that no one said much about it, but I guess that's why a wagon didn't rise from it.

So first you are too lazy to scum hunt
than you admit to making a crappy case on your biggest scum read
now he isn't anymore?

vote hiraki aka furclow

[RobCapone]

mod can you fix my quote fail?

Done. Don't feel bad, technically it was Hiraki's fault.

[RobCapone]

Another reason to blame him, only scum purposely messes up quotes;)

[RobCapone]

Happy Friday guys. Wife and daughter will be going away tonight so just me and my son. Doubt I'll be on much tonight

have a great weekend to those that ignore us on the weekend

[RobCapone]

While I'm not changing my vote, I would not object to a zito getting more pressure and possibly lynched. He has "looked" like he is town but hasn't actually done shit.

He isn't really scum hunting by my standards and his declaration that "EA us town cause I say he is" is only fucking with my head.

[RobCapone]

lol at your welp

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I'm not 100% sure, but like I said earlier, he assumed that the scum killed Snake Eyes when they actually killed Ashblade.

[RobCapone]

this is the best game I have been on since being on MS and it is going to shit with replacements.

can we just lynch Hiraki and get rid of 1 scum please?

[RobCapone]

I am so depressed right now I am going to go play on epic mafia, god that sucks

[RobCapone]

btw I saw you lurking Hiraki

[RobCapone]

you try and sell a weak case on him and now you defend him?

[RobCapone]

Hey I have a new name.

[RobCapone]

btw I saw you lurking Hiraki

Yes, looking at the thread for two minutes is totally lurking. Especially-- I'm done talking to you.

going back to this

I saw your name at the bottom, and than I didn't, and than 10 minutes later I still didn't, and than I posted that

so what do you call it?

[RobCapone]

the lurking isn't as much of a scum tell to me

the defending the person calling you scummy and deciding to attack a person who is voting a person who was your scum read day 1 are bigger

also you admitting you made up a really weak case on Bill doesn't make sense if you are town. if you are town you don't make up a fake case on somebody, you make a case you believe in and if you don't believe in it than I have to conclude you are mafia.

I can't think of a time where I ever made a case I didn't believe in as town.

[RobCapone]

the lurking isn't as much of a scum tell to me

the defending the person calling you scummy and deciding to attack a person who is voting a person who was your scum read day 1 are bigger

also you admitting you made up a really weak case on Bill doesn't make sense if you are town. if you are town you don't make up a fake case on somebody, you make a case you believe in and if you don't believe in it than I have to conclude you are mafia.

I can't think of a time where I ever made a case I didn't believe in as town.

So now you're admitting to the attempt of instigation, basically.

...

OH

MY

GOD.

I said it isn't AS MUCH of a scum tell, but to me it still is so I am not instigating anything. All I am going to do is attack you until you finally concede and admit you are scum or we lynch you and reveal you are scum.

[RobCapone]

EWBOP:

the lurking isn't as much of a scum tell to me

the defending the person calling you scummy and deciding to attack a person who is voting a person who was your scum read day 1 are bigger

also you admitting you made up a really weak case on Bill doesn't make sense if you are town. if you are town you don't make up a fake case on somebody, you make a case you believe in and if you don't believe in it than I have to conclude you are mafia.

I can't think of a time where I ever made a case I didn't believe in as town.

So now you're admitting to the attempt of instigation, basically.

...

OH

MY

GOD.

I said it isn't AS MUCH of a scum tell, but to me it still is so I am not instigating anything. All I am going to do is attack you until you finally concede and admit you are scum or we lynch you and reveal you are scum.

At this point, I'd ask about your case on me again, but I find it stupid to ask because my logic stands inadequate to Rob's large E-Penis.

if you are going to tell people to read the thread, you could too

basically you aren't playing pro-town. There is nothing you have done this game that I can rationalize a townie to do. And yes when I find scum, I tunnel them into submission. Tunneling =/= scum tell.

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@ hiraki

can you show me a game you played as town where you did the following

1. defended the person calling you scum
2. refusing to make a case on your biggest scum read
3. making a purposely weak case on someone to get them lynched.

thanks

[RobCapone]

AGar. WTF are you doin.

some could say the same to you, like I said you aren't doing anything but adding confusion to this game.

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I think you're one of the few getting confused here.

well yeah when someone can declare EA as town for no reason other than the speed of his d1 wagon, and than gets mad when people vote him, that is confusing.

speed of a wagon means jack shit. I have seen scum wagons develop fast just like town wagons.

[RobCapone]

I think you're one of the few getting confused here.

well yeah when someone can declare EA as town for no reason other than the speed of his d1 wagon, and than gets mad when people vote him, that is confusing.

speed of a wagon means jack shit. I have seen scum wagons develop fast just like town wagons.

And I've seen scum action A happen just as many times as town action A.

I have 45+ games onsite.
You don't.

I'm pulling an experience card here. Wagons like that don't just "happen" on scum.

Tell me, do you have a legitimate reason for suspecting EA?

I can tell you nothing about his play has convinced me oh him being town buy point is more at zito adamant he is town. I'm more cautious of zito and so far his reasons people are scum, aren't very good

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@subs- it means I am not convinced that EA or Zito are town , but Zito is higher on my scum list

it's

Hiraki
zito

a couple of other people with EA in the mix.

I have maybe 4 possible and 1 definite.

[RobCapone]

I do 7 gram rocks and I'm a winner

[RobCapone]

You know you don't gain any credibility by insulting my playstyle.

Being to lazy to defend yourself? You realize with 2 potential nigh kills, town is very close to a mylo situation and you don't care to clear yourself. If you are town that's wreckless cause a mislynch is deadly IMO.

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I don't question you are town, I feel it in my core you are scum, but in your mind if you were town, you would want to prevent your lynch because a mislynch would be bad.

you don't even care to

and yes other games is tied to your meta, if you act like this as town, than that goes to helping clear your name

if you never played like this as town than it doesn't really help.

get it or you still just going to be a troll

[RobCapone]

I guess EA was nothing then. Not like, any point to it.

Considering the fact that you appeared perfectly happy to park your vote on EA with the remarkably sparse case of "crappola vote" until you took several pages of pressure, I'm not entirely impressed by this example.

And so therefore, I didn't go the easy way and buss Bill because um.

Well umm.

Dunno.

sub pointed it out too but fuck it, this is my play style to attack like a vicious Rottweiler.

but you just said you didn't go the easy way and Buss bill?

let's check my mafia 101 handbook.

Bussing is the act of distancing yourself from your scum partners, usually by helping to lynch them

slip much?

[RobCapone]

wonder who's alt pod person is

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he replaced Bill

I mean who is he an alternate account of, clearly he isn't new to playing mafia and this is his only thread he has posted in.

[RobCapone]

I do like the points made about Wikki aka pen aka agar but I am not changing my vote of Hiraki, especially after the most recent slip.

not sure how Hiraki is going to spin it but I am sure I will be attacked again for being stupid or a moron or something.

makes me feel like I am playing on GLB, I love it.

[RobCapone]

Guys. It was sarcasm showing that if I was scum, how bad of a play that was. Only an idiot would actually slip like that. Notice the extra spacing.

bussing your partner as scum isn't bad play it's actually smart play, when a person pushes for a wagon on someone and that person flips scum, they almost always earn town cred.

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that is horrible logic, as I said earlier, I have seen people bus their partners on day 1. It doesn't mean you actually get them lynched, but you cast suspicion on them all game.

that is what you did but you did it very weak, by your own admission now.

you can bus your partner any day you want.

[RobCapone]

Yes, just yes

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lol at pod, the thing is though I am tracker so move on and not worry about me and move me to your town list.

thanks

[RobCapone]

I don't need to read your catchup posts about me being scum, cause I am not.

I don't like fiction

[RobCapone]

and your point about me self hammering as a town tracker, I will do it if I get to L-1, you don't believe my claim than get people to vote me but I fill fuck over town so bad and walk away without a fucking care in the world.

I have self voted and self hammered as town, i don't consider it scummy OR bad play as town unlike people on this site who are brainwashed into a vanilla way of playing mafia.

[RobCapone]

I'm playing the game thanks

just cause it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean I'm not playing.

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that is a good question mozamis, that is too weird of a coincidence.

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lol yeah i reckon it is. no way on earth 2 different people would come up with the same location "in a safe place" in the same game.
But, in the name of God WHY?
1) he's scum and thinks he can just "start afresh". But since we all know he's replacing Bill, what good does that do him? He still has to answer for Bi'ls posts.
2) he's a vanilla townie and thought "i need to change my style" -doesnt seem convincing.
3)he's a townie PR, and was nervous that Bill was gonna get mislynched. So start afresh etc
4)maybe an SK or some other role-bearing in mind the two deaths on night one.
5)he's just having a laugh.

In some ways, i hope its 5) and then WE CAN JUST MOVE ON! Otherwise we could be heading down a blind "bill mcquills alt" alley, which may not be productive for scum hunting.

since nobody would listen to what he said if he did start posting, I could see it as a possibility I guess.

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lol at pod, the thing is though I am tracker so move on and not worry about me and move me to your town list.

thanks

Wait, we just magically believe claims now?

I missed the memo.

You missed the memo where scum tracker is fairly common as well, bud.

Threatening to self-hammer as town, accepting it as good play....

It's such a lucky thing that Hiraki is infinitessimally more scummy than you are Rob. Or you'd be hanging from the rafters right now.

Mozamis - 1. Post. PLEASE. There is a preview button and people invented tabbed browsing for a reason. Condense that shit immediately.

Pods - Get off the fence, give more concrete reads. Seriously, there's enough content in this to not put almost half the game at null.

yes, you did miss the memo.

RobCapone is tracker and he is not lying

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like i said if you guys want to lynch me go ahead but you will be lynching the

TOWN TRACKER

and than what?

[RobCapone]

Getting ready to get on a plane, sorry bout the V/LA Ill try to check in when I can


Agar - you don't see the town motivation of the tracker not wanting people to waste the week leading up to the deadline, talking about lynching him when town needs to focus on catching scum?

Yeah I don't want attention on me cause I am town tracker and debating if I am scum or not is wasting time. I'm sorry you don't beleive me but I'm telling the truth.

Plus you have seen me play as scum AGAR (and if you were part of that hydra with Weird which I think you were) you have seen me as town.

I suck at changing my meta, I'm obvious town. So deal with it.

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Dear Agar and Ziti,

being defensive is an emotional reaction to a perceived attack or challenge against a person when said person beleives the information to be inaccurate.

I know I am town and anyone who continues to call me scum or doesn't beleive me is attacking me, being defensive is a normal human emotion, over-defensive behavior is common among people who are often challenged or attacked.

You Wang to lynch me? Like I said go ahead and do it, I won't care if town doesn't have a tracker anymore, you clearly have nothing better to do if you'd rather lynch a town power role so that would prove you aren't interested in catching scum.


Agar - meta is what it is, you don't beleive in it than you are using stupidity cause meta is a powerful tool.

I am defensive cause I know what I am. I didn't start looking scummy to people (othere than hiraki) til GreyIce started in that me explaining why I should not be on zito's list was some sort of admission of guilt and than I got to L-2 (iirc) in like half a day. Ever since I have been forced to defend myself and I'm tired of it.

I'm done defending myself, lynch me or stfu. Those are your 2 options.

Sincerly,

RobCapone

[RobCapone]

If someone wants to put together a case on why I am scum, maybe I can defend that but right now I'm being accused of being scummy for defending myself against accusations that I'm scummy which started because grey felt me explaining why I voted EA and Subs was an admission of guilt or something. WTF ?

Btw if speed of wagons really mean anything

pod and hiraki should be confirmed scum based on that, cause those wagons are deadlocked right now.

And pod looks especially bad for essentially only having Zito and EA as his town reads.


Off to the hotel, thank god for my phone, maybey LA won't be so limited afterall.

[RobCapone]

Misrep much? Cause that's not what I'm saying.

Pod asked why I'm not dead yet, when you have a PR claim you have to choose do I beleive him or not

if you do - move on

if you don't than you have 2 choices

Lynch me or let the "real" pr figure it out

Town chose to let the "real PR" figure me out

if you don't want to wait, like I said lynch me but I'm honestly telling you the truth that my claim is real. If I could prove it somehow I would.

So again if you want to lynch me, do it and live with the consequences or let me do my job the best I can.

Speed of a wagon question = town clarification question

EA got to 4 votes in an hour and a half and got to L-2 in 2 hours and 52 minutes - so this makes him town according to Zito.

I got to 4 votes in 26 minutes and L-2 in an hour and 9 minutes - but I am scum yet my wagon was faster than EA's

can somebody please clarify the whole speed of a wagon theory to me because this post by AGAR who by his own admission has SO MANY GAMES ON THIS SITE SO HE MUST BE RIGHT seems to make sense for EA but not for me and I want to know why

I think you're one of the few getting confused here.

well yeah when someone can declare EA as town for no reason other than the speed of his d1 wagon, and than gets mad when people vote him, that is confusing.

speed of a wagon means jack shit. I have seen scum wagons develop fast just like town wagons.

And I've seen scum action A happen just as many times as town action A.

I have 45+ games onsite.
You don't.

I'm pulling an experience card here. Wagons like that don't just "happen" on scum.

Tell me, do you have a legitimate reason for suspecting EA?

If speed of a wagon clears EA than it motherfucking clears me because my wagon was faster and I got to L-2 super fast which is why I felt the need to claim.

[RobCapone]

damn meant to bold the following by Agar

I have 45+ games onsite.
You don't.

I'm pulling an experience card here. Wagons like that don't just "happen" on scum.

[RobCapone]

L-3 in 23 minutes.

Off of what? Explaining that I started the EA wagon and I didn't sheep with my vote on subs.

Yeah that's a convincing reason to get someone to L-2 in an hour

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Ebwop : 26. Would not want to be callied a liar over 3 minutes

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Pod you are a moron cause I followed that quote comment with a wink which means sarcasm
hiraki, read this page, I made good defense statements
using the same speed of a wagon that "cleared" EA (which is the ONLY thing clearing him btw) than my wagon which was faster makes me not scum. If that's not true than Zito needs to retract his "ea is town"

i haven't blindly sheeped any fucking wagon either, I have made cases for my votes, even the lolrandom wagon on EA was based off of something.

Pod, you are trying to make a case on me for nonsense stuff and now you move hiraki off your scum list and he has done nothing to show he isn't scummy.

I already admitted I don't play like you guys on this site. I realize I am scummy by nature but post a case on me that I can defend, and I'll bring it.

Hiraki keeps asking me to re-state my case on him while not even attempting to defend himself, I'm sorry. If you are accused you defend yourself, he hasn't.

He also hasn't explained what the "town motivation" for making a purposefully weak case (this means he admitted he made a weak case ON PURPOSE) towards Bill.

Town doesn't make weak cases on purpose (atleast not where I play) so the fact he did AND doesn't bother to explain why AND has admitted to being to lazy to do something town motivated is more than enough reason he is scum

Not to mention like I said earlier he came out of the blue, 26 minutes after my wagon started on me to put me at L-3. Without commentening on anything that happended during the day, not commenting on zito's list. Just voted and sheeped.

Yeah he accused me of scum earlier in the day phase but he never stated a real reason why, his suspicion on me was driven from the fact that he defended subs when subs was calling him scum.

That would be the same as me defending a lynch of you pod or even Agar, I'd never defend you fuckers in this game.

The fact that Hiraki couldn't even verbalize d1 why he had Bill as his scum read until his "fake case" makes no sense

he could not verbalize why subs was a town read

he asked for people to make a case on subs but refused to make a case when asked


TELL ME TOWN MOTIVATION FOR ANY OF THIS.

if you or anyone can explain logically why a townie would do this, please do so now.

I'm defending myself bro, hiraki ain't doing shit.

Anyone who says my defense this game sucs needs to explain how a person can defend themselves from nothing.

Nobody has made a case against me and if someone has and I missed it please point me to it cause I'll defend myself until I am dead

and no hiraki or whoever said it, my defense has not been "I'm a tracka"

I've made logical arguments all game and you hiraki have made illogical ones.

[RobCapone]

Damn new page, hiraki read last page

all this from iPhone on a shuttle ftl

[RobCapone]

Mental note. When I get to a PC respond to Pod's posts from previous page

[RobCapone]

Well I'm not on my 3rd MS account for a reason. My first account I got mod killed like 3 times and yelled at a mod for not knowing the difference between quoting and paraphrasing

2nd account was labled a Vi

this scoount sadly again labled a VI, adjusted and improved my play, than snapped this game when Grey started that crap wagon on me and I got to L-2 in an hour.

It's annoying being called scum as town, especially when it's rediculous reasons or none at all, just "scummy"

checking in, talked to my wife and she packed my laptop (head desk) I thought I left it at home so I'll probably retract my V/LA once I verify it's not been broken

[RobCapone]

first

Mod I will retract my V/LA because my wife did pack my laptop and because I have my phone, I should still be able to check in daily

Noted.

now to Pod's first post

@Hiraki
So you've concluded that Bill replaced himself, and you have no theories about why or how it might be worth thinking about? That seems extremely implausible to me.
For the record, the idea of Bill replacing himself seems absurd to me, but if it were proven to be true, I'd want him lynched asap.

Do you have any reasoning why someone would randomly start an account in Feb. and join this game, randomly?
Not to mention, he replaced. Do you see newbies replace? How often do alts. replace?
Thinking about it more, I do believe you make a valid point. I was thinking of a different reason for secrecy, but I'm becoming ever so increasingly doubtful of it.

Unvote, Vote: Pod

wow. you're scum. i can't wait to read the second half of the thread. which i will be doing after reading all recent posts.

I agree Hiraki is scum and this quote while isn't a scum tell, added to the other things he has done, he doesn't look good with that vote. But I suspect you are probably scum too pod but that is for another day.

I suck at changing my meta, I'm obvious town. So deal with it.

this is pathetic. let me try:
"i am obvious town, screw you."
i'm now confirmed town as well by your logic.

I agree not my finest work, but for those who believe in meta it will be obvious, since nobody knows who you are really pod, you have no meta to compare so how are you confirmed town using my logic? maybe if you point me to your main account and let us look over your meta and I'll decide what I think, but until than how the hell can you make such a statement.

I get Agar doesn't believe in meta and not all of us are super cool enough to have 45+ games on site and I don't have the time nor energey to go through and verify if he has actually never used meta in any of these games, I find it highly unlikely but could be true so whatev.

Btw if speed of wagons really mean anything

which it really doesn't.

But Zito has confirmed EA as town because of the speed of his wagon and the rest of town has essentially agreed, and don't forget Agar has invoked his superior knowledge of his 45+ games on site to say that speedy wagons never happen on scum, so since 2 FAR SUPERIOR players than you Mr. I am an alt but won't tell anyone, your opinion doesn't matter when it comes to this argument.

pod and hiraki should be confirmed scum based on that, cause those wagons are deadlocked right now.

which is false.

Not according to Zito and Agar's theory of speedy wagons, if speedy wagon = town than slow wagon = more than likely scum (although safe to say not 100% guaranteed either way)

And pod looks especially bad for essentially only having Zito and EA as his town reads.

town can vote town. do you think everyone on the greyice wagon was scum?

where did the greyice wagon come from? I am saying you replace in and put Zito and EA as confirmed town, just like everyone else has. EA is only town on every one's list because ofthe "speed of a wagon" theory which you disagree with so if you disagree with that theory, why is EA town to you?

I don't really buy the case on Rob.

you didn't read the case on rob, then.

off to read this thread, starting from the top of page 21.

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can you point me to the case on me please?

[RobCapone]

rob's 502 is a perfect example of why he's scum.

You advocate always lynching a claimed power role day 1?
Learn better theory

warning: theory discussion, skip if not interested
theory says that scum can claim a power role and then claim to be roleblocked every night following. it puts town in a tough situation: if the player is town, they're outed and most likely useless (likely to either bite a nightkill or a roleblock), and if they're scum, their claim will make town more hesitant to lynch them. plus they can just claim the roleblock every night following without raising eyebrows for at least a couple of days.
i personally believe that a claim should not have any impact on a player's perception of another player unless the claim is provable (for example, a vigilante; but that can also be a serial killer claiming vig.)
end theory discussion

But i didn't claim roleblocked did I? no i claimed I performed my track, and while it looks bad that the person I tracked did die, I assure you that was just coincidence. (yeah I know I can't prove it unless I quote my PM from the mod and get mod-killed but been there done that)

yeah I don't want town to vote me but I am trying to point out your behavior over the last 2 or 3 pages is sketchy

the phrasing here is how a scum would say this, not a townie. "i don't want town to vote me" because "i'm scum" is what he means here.

so are you saying town would say "vote me"? are you really going to criticise the way a statement is worded and try and twist that into "that is how scum would word it"? cause that is horseshit. I don't want to be lynched so I don't want town to vote me, scum is going to vote me cause they want the tracker dead. I am sorry you disagree with the wording of my statement but the fact you are trying to twist it into something scummy earns you scum points.

I read Barry, reading bill now. Ill say that so far ash is spot on about Barry

Vote:Barry Allen

Pie is OK - but not cake.....the cake is a lie...

this is actually an awfully good case for penpen-scum.
subgenius has gradually found his way off my scumlist over the course of the past few pages. i read his posts and i think "that's a good catch" or "like that post". can't really cite a specific post but he's probably not scum if my list of suspects is any testimony to that.
rob 607 - has barely mentioned grey all game, and as soon as a wagon forms, rob jumps right on the first chance he gets. tell me the town motivation. i don't see it.

1. this quote makes a good case for penen? Seriously? I don't see it.
2. you reason why subs is now more town makes no sense to me either, can you point to specific posts subs made that make you feel he is more town?
3. OMFG are you kidding me? everyone read 607 again - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p2818215

I was 2nd on the wagon after pointing out LIES that GreyIce said. he claimed to start all 3 wagons which was a lie. I didn't mention Ice much cause he wasn't my suspect, at that point iirc, Subs and Hiraki were my scum reads, DEFINITLY Hiraki. That added with all of his bandwagon hopping and refusal to explain why he lied was reason I continued to push his lynch and others joined in. So this point towards me is 100% mis-rep and gives you even more scum points.

Dude, lynch chaining?
That a scum tactic through and through. "Well look at these two people! If one of them is town, the other MUST be scum! So we should lynch one to see if they're scum, then lynch the other!"

quoted for truth.

not really, I have seen town do this all the time, but humor me on this for a second. is there a difference between the following

A. if player is A is town than the other must be scum

B. if player A is scum than the other must be scum

Pen please answer this one ASAP

Vote: Papa Zito

For convincing me to vote to lynch a townie.

welcome back to the scumlist. you hammered of your own will, with no warning. probably to set up this exact vote.

I agree with this, the fact he blames zito is crap

Anyway, on GreyIce obvious suspect seems to be PenPen for dropping the hammer.

And dropping the hammer is suspicious how?

Thats why i said it was obvious. Maybe too obvious. But surely the last person to vote has to be a bit suspect? If I were scum, i know i would be quite keen to make sure a townie was lynched ASAP.
You don't find it suspicious then?

hammering is not, never has been, and never will be a scumtell. quickhammering on the other hand...
okay it's been bugging me now. barry, either use vote tags or type the vote up itself. seeing "vote: vote: <player>" so many times is just annoying.

would it shock you to know I have quick hammered as town? everything that is considered a scum tell I can probably post a link to a game on site where I have done as town, relying on pre-fab scumtells is why town loses.

Another reason to blame him, only scum purposely messes up quotes;)

it sounds like you're using this as a serious reason to vote him. why would town actually think this is legit? they wouldn't.

as i said earlier, I used the wink, which means sarcasm. Hiraki has been on my scumdar since d1 and I can assure you my case doesn't rest on him messing up a quote. but this is yet another mis-rep and an attempt at making a sarcastic comment into something scummy on me, ding ding, more scum points to you.

hmm... i want to take this time to post something that came to mind just now.
let's compare/contrast the two replacees on super-lurker slots.
bvoigt is one of the few people who actually sounds like he believes every word he says... he's town.
mozamis, on the other hand, hasn't done anything to improve the hayker slot. posting more, yes. but there's so many logical leaps and stretches that it's hard to take anything he's posting seriously. it looks like fake-scumhunting, and i've never seen town that fake-scumhunts.

bvoight is auto town cause he sounds like hebelieves everything he says? umm.. ok?

the poing about mozamis, idk I haven't paid as much attention to him cause others have played scummier but i will re-read his iso during the next night phase.

Look at that wagon D1. They don't build that fast on scum, almost ever. Wagons on scum take time to get up to speed.

they can and have. bad.

so you disagree with Zito and Agar? you best be pointing a link to a back up your claim

Mozami - Stop with the BS reads, start posting real suspicions or die. Die quickly, too.

i endorse the above statement. but why didn't you vote mozamis?

do you feel someone posting BS reads deserves a vote? if that is a yes than you deserve even more votes with your BS reads.

1039 is a good example of scum paranoia.

god I know sarcasm doesn't translate onto the internet well but if you really didn't get the sarcasm in that comment, than you are dense.

and that's it. got a bit lazy with the second half oh well it wasn't much of importance anyways.
i've read the entire thread now but am confused as to why he's being voted. frankly the only scummy thing i've seen is his terrible reason for voting me, but that was post-hiraki wagon forming, so i must not get it.
or maybe because i started skimming some near the end. still.
i didn't see any particularly town things either though so.

scum (ranked):
rob
agar
mozamis
barry

town:
zito
erratus
bvoigt
subgenius

that one loner in the null group:
hiraki

vote: rob

like already asked, please be pointing out how you go from Hiraki is scum to null when he doesn't even post. His silence between your 2 posts makes him null?

I R Confusded

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ebwop - son of a bitch a quote fail big time. the entire thing should not be in quotes

Fixed.

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Missed that one, I'm going to ignore Rob for now because I'm tired.

I was thinking of a town motivation to try and clear his role. I mean he was playing a meh game until then.

Fuck it, I'm going to talk about Rob for two seconds.

1) I never asked you to restate a case on you more than once. AKA: Whenever I have asked you for one, you supplied it, and I tried to talk about it.

2) I've already told you about my Bill case reasoning, but it seems you've missed it or something.

3) I really don't care how fast your wagon gained speed. Using that as a defense is sighful to me.

4) Where is this crap about Subs? I have never seen you once talk about him.

tl;dr: Rob still annoys me.

1. no chance i have a time to go back, that was off memory so if I was wrong I apolgize but i coud have sworn you mentioned me making a case 3 times.
2. maybe I did, i''l find it one day, althouh I still can't see town motivation for it
3. but the speed case is what is being used by others to put EA as town, so it does matter
4. http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2805079 (bottom of page) I quote a bunch of comments subs makes that I find particularly scummy about his play.

I have had a long day and this game is just draining me even more,

God night.

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You said you never saw me talk about subs, I'm showing you that I did. Who cares if it is page 10 if it proves your statement as false.

I realize others don't equate to you, do you find EA town? If so for what reason?

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So hop of the fence and vote him.

I have a question, when did compromise votes become all the rage?

Just this page 2 people say they would compromise. Barry seems willing to compromise his vote too.

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Ok last post til lunch.

Let me explain why I ask my question

Ziti, Subs, and Barry have essentially said or implied their votes are not firm (Barry isn't even voting)

but neither of these 3 have made a case worthy of convincing me or anyone else that their vote is on the right person, so we have stalled wagons.

This is where this whole thing comes in about making a case, a case has 2 purposes

1. To show your reason for your vote. You should always have a reason.
2. To allow others to see your reasons and use that to decide if your case is good or fluff

you than can refer to that case to get others to follw you or atleast look inti the person and make their own case

these 3 haven't really done any convincing which irks me. If you feel your vote is on the right person and I am wrong, CONVINCE me. Lord knows I have tried to convince people of Hiraki.

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@ Barry - I neither threatened or insulted you.

I lumped you in with zito and subs because you implied you weren't sure where you were going with your vote but you were leaning towards Pod.

All I was saying is neither of you have posted anything to convince me that pod is the right lynch. Tbh pod has posted more to convince me he is possibly scum which is the sad part in all of this.

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^ :claps:

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Damn zito, your vote change and that comment just blew my mind. I knew there was something off about you but those 2 things have me scratching my head.

And while I had my target picked out I'm left re-thinking that decision.


Mozamis, proper ettiquute is to ask for his claim.

I'm jealous if your spot, I'd love to hammer him personally.

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Sorry zito but No red in my PM, I do have a pretty green color.

but you have not made a case on anyone and just put hiraki at L-1 without a reason.

Please post "your reasons" for your vote change and why pod isn't a good place for your vote anymore.

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As Agar taught me in another game, usually 1 is scum with competing wagons

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Yes he did. I'm saddened everyone assumes Zito is town, been burned cause the "assumed town" player was scum and was alive at lylo and won

I don't know how people get these town reads, I have absolutely 0 town reads this game, I usually never have town reads.

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actually, that'd be cheating, and i know me and agar are both above cheating.

Agar yes, not you shotty

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Mafia don't kill me tonight ok?

Thanks

oh noez. Hi chesskid

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1. Sorry for my play even though I stand by my defense of myself from zito's list, Ice's lie and refusal to explain was his fault, and hiraki really seemed scummy to me
2. Zito - you did nothing but confuse town, you tried to protect yourself by being purposefully vague to Dave masons, damn more scum hunting (like make convincing arguments) next time pl0x
3. On that note since I'm a man if my word and you guys are way too serious for me, bye bye MS

RobCapone out

(somebody tell furclow that this is how you stand by a promise when you say you will quit)

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Maybe I'm reading it wrong but i think a good part of the dead thought you were scum until it was revealed you were mason

so what do you think?

@mod - I was at L-2 and I have been hammered without being allowed to claim on this site before

I'm a very paranoid player and I felt that there was nothing I could say to get the wagon off me. If I had gotten to L-1, scum would have hammered me IMO.

My wagon came out of nowhere and was based on nonsense

l-2 in an hour is OMG I'm fucking dying man.

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You used the 4th vote count as "proof" you started the wagon on somebody when in reality someone else did.

You said you started 3 wagons and people sheeped you but you never started any of them

when asked to explain you basically became a dick and refused to talk about it anymore.

But I already hashed this out in the dead QT. To act dumb now pretending you don't know why you were lynched is just more horse shit.

I admitted my mistakes and you still refuse to.

You caused your own lynch, you lied.

Sorry bro.

@ Zito - if you would have made a conving argument for Bill instead of Hiraki, I would have changed my vote. I wanted to actually, especially after he claimed VT. But nobody posted anything worth while why he was better lynch than hiraki

I feel you tried to preserve yourself to get to lylo by weakly pushing lynches to seem non threatning to maf and that made you look like a bad NK

my opinion may differ from others but towards the end reading back

Subs definitly got better, his newbish style was just that.

This is what I get for learning how to play mafia from a bunch of football dorks

I did enjoy the game and if i learned anything it's


1. Never mention self voting if you are town
2. Don't respond to every fucking post
3. Stay calm
4. Think before you type.

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I don't have a fucking clue why I was lynched.

You ranted in the dead topic like a complete idiot. It was useless. It was a waste of time.

Say something worth saying, and you might have a fucking point.

YOU LIED

you claimed you started a wagon on someone
you posted a vote cout that proved your statement

problem was soneone else actually started the wagon
you voted 2nd
there were 3 vote counts that showed you being 2nd
that person unvoted
there was a count that showed you were first
you used that one as your "proof"

when I called you on it, you just called me stupid and refused to talk about it

Zito asked you about it and you said you wouldn't talk about it anymore.

Do you see why you got lynched? You were FAIL TOWNIE

you also claimed to start the EA wagon, but I
voted first, i had always planned to cause of his refusal to vote to start the game

you say you started it cause you offered "door prizes"

more fail

get it?

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No you really didn't. explain it and if you did not convincing enough. I'll accept responsibility for your lynch, I still feel it was right given the context

Chill out man, you upset i get it but accept responsibility for your part.

this was my last game on site so, whew I dodged a bullet I guess.

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Nah. I could have been pissy scum. Hiraki was so obvtown it hurt me.

That lynch was painful. Town deserved loss after that.

Though setup meant town loss was inevitable. Run this 100 times, town might win 15

I think your idea of balance is really, really off.

The setup review board should not have allowed this game

This is the 2nd game I have been in that wasn't balanced

I know who you are and quite frankly not afraid of voicing my opinion

Run this setup again and I gurantee town won't win again.

Only way zito peged maf was because they were obvious to some people (not me cause I suffer from tunnel vision)

1 tracker and 2 masons is

also this setup no way in hell watcher should be sent to kill so if tracker tracked him, he can claim watcher and nobody would doubt him

tracker/watcher makes sense

same with Doc.

So I'll say absolutely 100% this wasn't balanced

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@ dekes if it gets worse, lock threads

please don't force censorship by deleting posts, freedom of speach should be everywhere including here

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As I was thinking I had the most useless role, cause tracker IMO is a pure luck role, the mafia roles that visits was a nice touch

problem is I would not have tracked either of those people almost all game if I had been alive

hell I almost tracked zito N2.

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Hoopla, If given the choice I'd never play a multiple scum group game

but it isn't an option

I have played atleast 3 or 4 multiple scum group games in such a short span, I guess I'd have to play a boring open game to ensure that.

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well this is my last game on site so me signing a petition won't hold any weight.

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http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/u6EvDtXen6y

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Grey, omg I can't believe you don't get it.

you lied

how is calling out a lie OMGUS?

let me thing, hmm

IT'S NOT

you made a bold proclamation that you started multiple wagons and the facts proved otherwise. so take off the blinders and finally admit you were wrong and move on.

until you admit you were wrong, YOU deserve to be PL'd day 1 for a few games.

and with that I fell that this is going no where so I am done with this thread.

Anyone want to ask me a question, feel free to PM me

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The mafia QT should not be hidden, a link needs to be posted IMO