large normal 219: COOL NEW ANIMALS (done!!)

[Nero Cain]

Well, you'd know with your leet scumhunting and all.

[Nero Cain]

if I'm gonna sheep I rather sheep Boon and vote the person that was trying hard as fuck to get me to vote Bob and then just casually drops that read like a sack of garbage,

VOTE: nom

[Nero Cain]

but I wouldn't mind sheeping Buj that much either.

[Nero Cain]

kinda rude to make fun of my eyesight

[Nero Cain]

of course, he thinks I'm scum. Did you really expect more from him?

[Nero Cain]

What are these two possibilities?

[Nero Cain]

how about you stop rolefishing.

[Nero Cain]

how about you stop rolefishing.

You claimed a guilty for someone, I have a good reason to ask you to claim your role.

[Nero Cain]

I HAVE A GUILTY ON AXE!

he is confirmed to be stupid.

its almost like you are intentionally avoiding my next post.

Also if I had a legit guilty or I was trying to sell a fake guilty I'd be you know...

VOTING THE GUY

[Nero Cain]

well until Axe runs out of lynchbait

[Nero Cain]

flavor leaf is an A list star like Robert Downey Jr.

Axe is a D lister like that Kathy Griffin.


@nom, town "lie" all the fucking time. Your "if they lie they must be scum!" seems like a p scummy stance.

[Nero Cain]

its only d1, its ok to mislynch!

you should ALWAYS be trying to lynch scum.

[Nero Cain]

if he flips scum, we lynch his associated partner tomorrow

if he flips town will you stop leading town into bad lynches?

[Nero Cain]

Where's the case on sick? strong-arming won't work.

[Nero Cain]

FTR I'm still not sure I buy into the only one of Kid and rui rui is scum.

[Nero Cain]

I don't need his partners to come in and defend him, so I can't give the full rea

shouldn't you WANT them to defend him?

[Nero Cain]

yeah, I doubt that.

[Nero Cain]

I mean if he flips scum I'm closer to my wicon and if he's town we get to lynch you d3. Win-win for me.

[Nero Cain]

@sky I'm not all that sure Axe is scum although I could see it. I just think he's a distraction if not scum.

@Nero, what would it take for us to draw a truce and you vote Sickofit?

A decent case. but I didn't think you were looking for my vote anyways.

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: axe

nom wagon died and this is the one I like next best.

[Nero Cain]

TBF the only reason you were not lynched d1 is b/c you and nom hard hinted masons and the only reason that Wiz was lynched is b/c you hard hinted at a guilty on him. You and Nom couldn't push a lurker Bob lynch and I doubt you can do it with sick.

[Nero Cain]

i don't have a great reason to think he's scum or town. I just don't want to vote with you and i'm not going to sheep on a wagon unless I agree with the reasoning.

you were calling Wiz scum at first.

[Nero Cain]

I don't really like how Nom was trying to pressure me into voting Bob then dropped her "scum read" the moment that Axe changed his vote.

Why did we unvote that, leaf?

[Nero Cain]

Sickofit is the lynch to go with today, he has a day 1 associative and the other scum TMI'd.

ok, well when you get around to being specific we can talk about that but for now, I'm not joining a wagon that just seems like a random wagon on a lurker (who isn't even the worst lurker)

[Nero Cain]

nero would it help if i cased sick

yes

[Nero Cain]

The other ones are town, what can I say.

y?

[Nero Cain]

counterpoints: He had already said that he'd vote Wiz b4 he voted Wiz. So fmpov he didn't need to add "more justification" Also you were fake claiming a guilty on him so...

I don't really like any of the Axe, Nero, or

sky

wagons today actually.

So it seems perfectly reasonable that he'd vote evee over you.

this seems like mostly OMGUS since he did start calling you scum a little later on.

A lot of ppl didn't vote you Sky. Are we all scum? Also he said

Don't like a skygazer lynch

at all today

.

which seems like a far cry from "sky should never be lynched"

[Nero Cain]

I rather avoid another mislynch if all possible and as of now I don't feel like the case on him points to scum.


I think the two lurkers that are doing nothing (kid and rui rui) are scum.

[Nero Cain]

not always

[Nero Cain]

bob3141 (3): Skygazer, rosterfoster, Sickofit1138
Sickofit1138 (2): NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom
NotAnAxehole (2): NerfedBuJ, Nero Cain
Skygazer (1): bob3141

not voting (5): KidAmn, Performer, RuiRui, EeveeLution Army, Flavor Leaf

[Nero Cain]

I lied

Sickofit1138 (3): NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom, Skygazer
bob3141 (2): rosterfoster, Sickofit1138
NotAnAxehole (2): NerfedBuJ, Nero Cain
Skygazer (1): bob3141

not voting (5): KidAmn, Performer, RuiRui, EeveeLution Army, Flavor Leaf

[Nero Cain]

oh yeah, he's the guy you were claiming tripped on some secret scum tell right?

[Nero Cain]

I think the case on him is crap but I'm also not super inclined to follow some "secret scumtell"

also you aren't even voting him.

[Nero Cain]

Why does everyone get so fucking defensive all the time?

[Nero Cain]

man, that's so pot kettle.

[Nero Cain]

^
scum that knows scum avoided the Wiz wagon

[Nero Cain]

sky even said it but she's applying it to the wrong person.

scum don't like joining large wagons because they don't like being seen as opportunistic

TheWizard (8): NotAnAxehole, rosterfoster, NerfedBuJ, nomnomnom, EeveeLution Army, bob3141, Sickofit1138, Skygazer
NerfedBuj (2):

Nero Cain

, Performer
NotAnAxehole (2):

TheWizard

, Flavor Leaf
Performer (1): RuiRui
KidAmn (1):

Wagonomics

Wagonomics (1): KidAmn

Who are the 4 that avoided the wiz wagon?

you, kid, performer and flavor.

I think that's where scum are.

[Nero Cain]

I mean maybe Flavor Leafs whole one of Rui Rui/Kid is scum is just scum that knows one of you is his buddy but I also don't like performer and I'm full of myself and 1365 makes sense to me and would be a perforemer/rui rui/kid team.

[Nero Cain]

it seems like he's drawing attention away from where we should be focusing today (the wizard wagon)

she's not talking about who we should be lynching on the Wiz wagon.

Even if there's scum on the Wizard wagon (which I think there might not be) its still the largest concentration of town and she'd have the most mislynch bait.

And she seems to think that scum is me, performer, and ??? So she's literally hunting for a singular scum in a group of 8. That's some massive chainlynching right there.

[Nero Cain]

THIs is actually impossible unless you think 3 of 5 scum are in Performer, you, me, Rui, kid

ummm there are only 3 scum here. All combos of you/rui/kid, kid/rui/performer make plenty of sense potentially. Although the idea of a rui/axe/kid hasn't escaped my mind either.

[Nero Cain]

Then why don't you want to lynch Flavor?

I'm still on the Sickofit wagon, but if that's the reasoning for Ruirui or Kid, then you should target the source of your reasoning no?

it's not and reading my posts will confirm that it's not. I'm not really sure if this is scum you trying to pressure me into voting your not scumbuddies in rui/kid or this is scum you distancing from FL.

Honestly, I'm going for the easy lynch because I pooped my pants a little when I realized who the scum team is, I still think town is losing this game because scum team is going to be one heck of an upward battle,

but we need to kill Sickofit to prove my validity.

I think if we lynch incorrectly today, town will lose. Just based on who rolled scum and who didn't.

You are talking as if you are scum b/c the only way you know who the scum are is if you are scum.

Bolded is just a sorry excuse to power through another lynch, wich is prob gonna be a ML anyways but you don't seem to care b/c if you are scum you are closer to your wincon and if you are town you are meta playing to build up your scum game.

[Nero Cain]

I don't really like how Nom was trying to pressure me into voting Bob then dropped her "scum read" the moment that Axe changed his vote.

Why did we unvote that, leaf?

I changed my vote first, then Axe followed me.

I wasn't really thinking about the game earlier today.

VOTE: Sickofit

Went back took a quick read, I'm pretty sure this is right. I also think there is one very likely scum partner for this man.

VOTE: Sick

yes, you voted sick a whole 10 posts after Axe did but Axe voted after you...

[Nero Cain]

Axe's tone shift is odd and scummy. I guess one of his team got on and yelled at him in the PT.

[Nero Cain]

you and nero keep bringing up "why am I town" as a constant topic.

actually, no? Yes I was/am scumreading you but I don't think I've ever asked anyone why they are tow reading you.

[Nero Cain]

that I was some form of informed Towny,

you ARE informed. Just not town.

[Nero Cain]

I'm not saying that I'm saying that scum is naturally informed and thus you aren't lying about being informed.

I don't think Sick flips scum here. I expect Axe to push me tomorrow and claim that I'm scum that knew he was town and then on the chance that I'm wrong he'll push me as a buddy that defended him.

[Nero Cain]

i told you axe was going to push me. lol

[Nero Cain]

I'll just make sure my reads are clearly defined before I go.

TBFm if you are town you should already be doing this but you aren't so...

[Nero Cain]

but what if he doesn't flip scum?

[Nero Cain]

Also interesting to have read that he doesn't think the lynch should be sickofit.

he listed sick in his ok lynches but he's on a vanity wagon for some reason.

[Nero Cain]

the last VC had flavor voting sick but I don't think he is.

Sickofit1138 (4): NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom, Skygazer, Performer
bob3141 (2): rosterfoster, Sickofit1138,
RuiRui (1): NerfedBuJ
Skygazer (1): bob3141
NotAnAxehole (1): Nero Cain
EeveeLution Army (1): KidAmn

not voting (3): RuiRui, EeveeLution Army, Flavor Leaf

[Nero Cain]

Eh, spam posting isn't indicative of quality.

i wouldn't consider anything of quality in this game yet. Sky (prob town) got ran up and had to claim, we lynched town d1, Bob (prob town) got tunneled, sick (prob town) got ran up and tunneled.

VOTE: rui rui

[Nero Cain]

What happened between d1 (when you were scum reading her) and d2 to change your read?

[Nero Cain]

lhf is low hanging fruit.

there are town that do lurk true but scum NEED to do it. Why is it so impossible to imagine a scum lurking Ruirui?

[Nero Cain]

I'm scumreading performer too, I don't see how everyone is townreading him

Axe has 65/35 odds of being town to scum in my head

I don't like that Nero Cain is pointing to lurkers, it seems like he's drawing attention away from where we should be focusing today (the wizard wagon)

And this post was pretty scummy to me. She's goading on a lynch from the Wiz wagon but not committing anything by leaving it intentionly vague.

Performer and her might be cross distancing from one another.

Also, Axe scum reading her d1 and trying to get me to push her and then mysteriously town reading her @ the start of d2 comes across a bit like buddy play.

[Nero Cain]

Why is ruirui a better lynch than Sickofit

Why is sick of it a good lynch at all?!?

[Nero Cain]

@Bob-

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... reviations

[Nero Cain]

guess what guys?

[Nero Cain]

im the mod now

[Nero Cain]

don't you dare

[Nero Cain]

Sickofit1138 (4): NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom, Skygazer, Performer
RuiRui (3): NerfedBuJ, Nero Cain, Flavor Leaf
bob3141 (2): rosterfoster, Sickofit1138,
Skygazer (1): bob3141
EeveeLution Army (1): KidAmn

not voting (2): RuiRui, EeveeLution Army

[Nero Cain]

Sickofit1138 (4): NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom, Skygazer, Performer
RuiRui (3): NerfedBuJ, Nero Cain, Flavor Leaf
bob3141 (2): rosterfoster, Sickofit1138,
Skygazer (1): bob3141
EeveeLution Army (1): KidAmn

not voting (2): RuiRui, EeveeLution Army

Well at least you're good for something.

dude, rude and uncalled for.

[Nero Cain]

So it's me performer and ruirui?

What happened to nomnomnom?

Idk man, half this thread is scummy as fuck but you're going to not have static reads when you are town and not trying to push just to get a lynch.

[Nero Cain]

Don't tell me that it's because of how Day 1 went because Bob's wagon formed without much of an argument at all.

Bob's wagon happened b/c such town stalwarts sheeped you b/c you are loud. This doesn't happen in a decent playerlist.

Now, we've got a hard push against me (yet somehow the wagon is on RuiRui?)... Like... Someone please explain this to me.

b/c there's more than 1 scum in this game.

Virtually no scumhunting done this game

If sick's not scumhunting what do you call what ruirui is doing?

I think his scum buddies are hard defending him in response to the style I've been pushing this game.

his scumbuddies can't be defending him b/c im the only one defending him. lol

[Nero Cain]

protip: his scumbuddies would be the one's that approved of said wagon but have avoided joining it (kid, boon) they'll do the same if he's town b/c the majority is pushing him as scum and it would be suicide to go against the town.

[Nero Cain]

Why is ruirui a better lynch than Sickofit

Why is sick of it a good lynch at all?!?

Because he's your scum buddy.

yes. I pushed my scumbuddy d1 and you guys were too stupid to sheep me.

[Nero Cain]

Therefore why wouldn't you hard defend your scum buddy?

b/c I know I'll look bad for it.

[Nero Cain]

no?

I'm saying that scum hard defending a buddy that's going down isn't going to come from scum.

[Nero Cain]

Also, you lied earlier. You said that I've only defended the sick wagon when I have defended both the Bob and Wizard wagon's. I prob defended Sky to but the previous two I can remember. I'm just going to defend any wagon that I don't like the reasons to.

[Nero Cain]

that's not really true either. Can we stop lying?

[Nero Cain]

My stance has softened somewhat. I know that Axe will say that I'm backtracking or some such nonsense but I really don't care.

counterpoints: He had already said that he'd vote Wiz b4 he voted Wiz. So fmpov he didn't need to add "more justification" Also you were fake claiming a guilty on him so...

I don't really like any of the Axe, Nero, or

sky

wagons today actually.

So it seems perfectly reasonable that he'd vote evee over you.

this seems like mostly OMGUS since he did start calling you scum a little later on.

A lot of ppl didn't vote you Sky. Are we all scum? Also he said

Don't like a skygazer lynch

at all today

.

which seems like a far cry from "sky should never be lynched"

@nero: sickof - upon ISO review I saw he called these scum or voted wagonomics/FL/eevee/sky at various points & strangely defended notan/nero/nomnom - as if to pocket them. and the rest of his ISO is lacking.

He never even voted wagon and niether of Fumaki/EV are incredibly pro-town. What made his votes on them so bad? The "defended as if to pocket" seems maniplutive in a way. Why can't a town him just ya know, be against axe, nero, sky wagons?

I don't think any of these are good reasons and I don't blame myself at all for not wanting to join a wagon that made no sense FMPOV.

I could imagine a scenerio where he's scum that threw down an empty vote on the Bob bandwagon and he just sits on Bob without explaing why Bob is scum or who else is scum. Part of me just feels for the guy and part of me could see a town Sick that's just frustrated with the toxic gamestate that Axe has created although I guess its not all that impossible that he's scum that uses it to lurk.

[Nero Cain]

feels like nero is manipulating the gamestate

how so?

[Nero Cain]

Also to Axe's "he hasn't scumhunted all game" both the Fumaki and Ev votes came off as sumhunting. True, he hasn't really done any scumhunting today but Axe's statement was "he hasn't scumhunted all game." which is ya know, not true.

[Nero Cain]

feels like nero is manipulating the gamestate

how so?

find out next tim on "When ruirui prodges"

[Nero Cain]

feels like nero is manipulating the gamestate

how so?

I mean, he's not wrong.

but how am I doing this?

[Nero Cain]

Does everyone want to force a quick lynch on town!RuiRui? Because tbh, I'm down to kill anyone as quickly as possible.

Eh, I'll hammer whoever.

for someone that you are hard town reading you sure do give up quickly.

[Nero Cain]

I'd prefer you wagon against me.

no, I'm killing your teams rolecop.

[Nero Cain]

it seems like he's drawing attention away from where we should be focusing today (the wizard wagon)

here ruirui suggests that we should be lynching off the Wizard wagon. No names stating who the best lynch is. Left vague.

Not feeling good about voting sickofit

this doesn't make sense b/c she was for lynching off the Wiz wagon.

Also, Axe scumreading me for defending sick but not scumreading ruirui for defending sick is

[Nero Cain]

Does everyone want to force a quick lynch on town!RuiRui? Because tbh, I'm down to kill anyone as quickly as possible.

I mean, there's already a wagon on ruirui. You apparently hate the two-week deadlines and want a QL and you said you'd be down to wagon her so vote her?

[Nero Cain]

it doesn't really matter if you are vt or not b/c you are gonna flip anyways. It's not impossible for me to see Axe powerwolfing and he should never ever make it to lylo but I could also see just really bad town that thinks he's better than his really is.

If you are scum then maybe he was bussing you. At the very least you were SCFTWR.

ruirui is scum.

[Nero Cain]

i think we ignore you the rest of the game if he flips town.

[Nero Cain]

not really. I just care about playing to my wincon and having you out and lynch a bunch of town isn't helping towns wincon.

We'll see if I was originally right about sick or if I was right to be cautious d2.

[Nero Cain]

Who is scum between us, kid?

[Nero Cain]

good luck trying to get me mislynched. As an added challenge you can't fakeclaim or hint at a guilty.

[Nero Cain]

lets all ignore this guy and lynch rui rui today. Although if there was enough ppl that wanted Axe dead I wouldn't object that much.

VOTE: ruirui

[Nero Cain]

inb4 Buj is still scum and sky has a false negative

[Nero Cain]

4 more and I'll hammer you. but real talk, I don't really understand why you feel like any of this is good town play.

[Nero Cain]

inb4 Buj is still scum and sky has a false negative

i feel like scum buj would see the friendly neighbor message, figure it wouldn't be worth lying about it just to get me lynched when it'd make him ridiculously scummy, and end up claiming he received it at start of day

that would do nothing but get him insta lynched d2. Also, he didn't get a FN so he's either town or scum that lied.

If axe flips town then nom is the scum

but they are the claimed masons lol.

I don't like Buj's posting today, at all.

[Nero Cain]

Didn't nero say something about mason day 1 and then continue to scumread and fight axe all game too..

I think both Axe and Nom have played shitty and yeah there's going to be some doubt in the back of your head that two horrible players are scum that fake claimed mason so I feel like I've had a healthy lvl of skepticism but I don't feel like I've been hard pushing since the "claim" on d1.

The mason claim sorta makes sense to me b/c schadd used a 3 man masonry last game and two lvl 1 players that feel like its good town play to be scummy as shit is apparently a thing.

[Nero Cain]

it seems like he's drawing attention away from where we should be focusing today (the wizard wagon)

here ruirui suggests that we should be lynching off the Wizard wagon. No names stating who the best lynch is. Left vague.

Not feeling good about voting sickofit

this doesn't make sense b/c she was for lynching off the Wiz wagon.

is why rui is scum, I have no clue why Sky thinks this is town.

[Nero Cain]

like let me entertain the idea that Buj, Sky, and Performer are all town. I'm also not hard scum reading roster, he's just kinda eh.

Sickofit1138

(7):

NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom, Skygazer, Performer, NerfedBuJ, rosterfoster, Flavor Leaf

RuiRui (1):

Nero Cain

bob3141 (1):

Sickofit1138

Skygaze

r (1): bob3141
EeveeLution Army (1): KidAmn

not voting (2): RuiRui, EeveeLution Army

I think scum are all in Bob, ruirui kid and army.

[Nero Cain]

i compromised on wizard and wanted bob over sick

can we let me have my top choice for once or

and i wanted none of those. lets listen to someone good for a change.

[Nero Cain]

I mean Bob being scum isn't impossible. I agree with you that he's been opportunistic and hasn't really been offering original opinions but the guy is new and new players are just gonna seem scummy, idk.

Bob needs to post a full reads list with reasons why when he gets on.

[Nero Cain]

as bad as they are, and they are worse than they claim they are, I'm not lynching claimed masons today.

[Nero Cain]

TheWizard

(8):

NotAnAxehole

, rosterfoster, NerfedBuJ,

nomnomnom

, EeveeLution Army, bob3141,

Sickofit1138

, Skygazer
NerfedBuj (2):

Nero Cain

, Performer

NotAnAxehole

(2):

TheWizard, Flavor Leaf

Performer (1): RuiRui
KidAmn (1):

Wagonomics

Wagonomics

(1): KidAmn

Sickofit1138

(7):

NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom

, Skygazer, Performer, NerfedBuJ, rosterfoster,

Flavor Leaf

RuiRui (1):

Nero Cain

bob3141 (1):

Sickofit1138

Skygaze

r (1): bob3141
EeveeLution Army (1): KidAmn

not voting (2): RuiRui, EeveeLution Army

I think Kid being on day ending vanity wagons both days is p scummy.

I think scum are kid and ruirui and ????. Maybe its Bob. I'm really disliking Bujabers posting though-"inno" be dammed. I think we should be lynching in Kid and rui rui today.

[Nero Cain]

I was gonna say that we should prob massclaim today but since Ev has already started us off popcorn to Bob?

[Nero Cain]

ok

[Nero Cain]

btw, I'm thinking scum are kid, bob and performer.

[Nero Cain]

So Roster fakeclaimed mason...again

[Nero Cain]

man, you shoulda waited on her to claim her nights

[Nero Cain]

I was gonna say that we should prob massclaim today but since Ev has already started us off popcorn to Bob?

I already claimed. Vanilla townie

can you give a full reads list?


VOTE: evee

[Nero Cain]

tbf, kid is prob scum and was voting Axe so she's halfway correct.

[Nero Cain]

besides myself

KidAmn
rosterfoster
Performer

are the unclaimed, not sure why Bob didn't popcorn so ima suggest a

KidAmn
Performer
rosterfoster
Nero Cain

mass claim list

[Nero Cain]

If you lynch a claimed mason with another claimed mason in the open you are literally losing your edge over scum.

TBF, Axe has been powerlynching town and has caused nothing but paranoia on his slot.

[Nero Cain]

WROW!

[Nero Cain]

lol, axe is such a salty nooblet

[Nero Cain]

just for shits and giggles why am I scum?

[Nero Cain]

R
E
T
A
R
D

pc police gonna throw a hissy fit.

I'm also voting the claimed guilty today.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, if Sky targeted me Evee should have detected motion on me last night.

[Nero Cain]

duh

[Nero Cain]

Although, the thought occurred to me that since Sky doesn't give me a FN (since I'm town and she's disloyal) Evee wouldn't pick up the motion which would make this a false positive and if you and Nom are really masons then scum is in

KidAmn
rosterfoster
Performer
bob314i

[Nero Cain]

and before this maybe guilty was claimed I said

btw, I'm thinking scum are kid, bob and performer.

wich makes

Please just give your reads

stupid.

READ MY FUCKING POSTS DUMBASS.

[Nero Cain]

I thought Roster was the third mason that wasn't a mason and then the three mason thing wasn't true?

The amount of disinformation is eh.

VOTE: kid

[Nero Cain]

but you were perfectly ok with a rui wagon.

[Nero Cain]

is performer the 3rd mason?

[Nero Cain]

its not super important right now but the scum team is kid, bob and performer or kid, bob and roster.

[Nero Cain]

if they aren't masons and they are scum then town has all of 2 prs with the possibility that rosterfoster or Performer is one.


but scum is prob you, bob and roster

[Nero Cain]

I mean, the combinations of the scum team are

evee/sky/bob

evee/sky/roster

bob/roster/evee

bob/roster/sky

[Nero Cain]

I can only be scum with Sky b/c she's claiming an inno on me, ditto with you

[Nero Cain]

sure

[Nero Cain]

as in "I don't buy it"

[Nero Cain]

y is evee the better lynch than Bob?

[Nero Cain]

dont buy what?

I forgot about the Nero ‘clear’ though

[Nero Cain]

lol @ sky and roster trying not to bus Bob

[Nero Cain]

I lean bob/roster and sky for the following reasons

I don't feel like Bob and Roster have really been hunting. They've both quick lynched in the previous days.

I think Sky as light bussing Bob earlier. On d3 when I wanted to vote ruirui (since I thought she was scum) Sky said that I refused to lynch Bob (which is not true at all) so it felt like her trying to set me up as a Bob buddy.

[Nero Cain]

if Sky is really a disloyal FN with inno's on both me and roster that can't be true and she has to be lying.

[Nero Cain]

in what world is my read on bob "light,

that's really not what I said though.

[Nero Cain]

you said "light" bussing but bob has been my strongest SR since D2 but everyone else basically had bob off the table

but accusing you of light bussing is NOT the same as accusing you of a light read (I read that as fencesitty)

I mean you said that I refused to vote him d3 and I didn't, he just never came up.

What do you think about Bob rn?

[Nero Cain]

also, I really like even #'s and a roster/bob scum team gives us a nice even 8 vts. meaning that only one of sky/evee is scum.

[Nero Cain]

there are 10 vt claims. if bob and roster are scum like I think that gives us 8 vts. Hi, welcome to math with Nero.

[Nero Cain]

god nero i think you might be scum here

What did me pointing out that a roster/bob scum team (and that there'd be 8 vts if I'm right) make you think I was scum?

[Nero Cain]

but it sounded like u were trying to justify roster/bob because 8 VTs makes more sense which is ???

I'm scumreading them for other reasons but I'm mostly making a joke here/pointing out the obvious.

[Nero Cain]

because the way he's approaching lylo here is ???

What do you dislike about it?

[Nero Cain]

why are even numbers better than odd numbers in terms of the number of VTs tho

they aren't, although in the past I've felt like mods tend to try t keep things even but there's prob not enough data to support that stance and I'm too lazy to go do that on my own.

[Nero Cain]

because the way he's approaching lylo here is ???

What do you dislike about it?

you scumreading me

tbf, i'd vote Bob or Roster over you.

[Nero Cain]

but some of the arguments ur making r just ???

the only arguments that I've made are that scum are Roster and Bob are scum b/c they haven't been scum hunting previously and both quick lynched on previous days.

I also stated that you look like a Bob partner for lying that I was against voting Bob to try to make me look like a Bob buddy.

[Nero Cain]

@Nero if you had to vote between Eevee and Sky today who would you choose and why?

I'd vote sky since I think she makes sense as a Bob buddy and her OMGUS scum read on me feels p scummy but wouldn't it be better odds to lynch in Bob/roster today?

I mean, if only one of Bob/Roster were scum it would be 9 vts and 3 masons. Is that really what we think the setup is?

[Nero Cain]

Well no both Nero and Bob are scum so there’s still 8VT’s.

But the hardest lynch is Sky/Eeve so that is why why need the masons to look at this from an unbiased perspective.

lol roster wanting to lynch in a 50/50 instead of the 100% is scummy as fuck.

[Nero Cain]

roster thinks bob and I are scum but wants to vote not us

sky thinks scum is in roster/Bob but wants to vote not them.

idk, to me it looks like a roster/bob/sky team. *shrugz*

[Nero Cain]

Sky I’m not trying to pocket you

Can you even pocket a scumbuddy?

[Nero Cain]

eevee's claim doesn't make any sense without my claim being true

Your claim is unverifiable which is the problem to make our minds up in this situation.
You're not going to solve mechanically. One of you is a town PR and one of you is a scum PR.

What if evee just is a weak town invest and sky is just a goon?

[Nero Cain]

tbf, it's not a town loss if we voted correctly but yeah, voting in Bob/roster is the safer be I think.

[Nero Cain]

but what if Sky is scum and Bob/Roster are her team, is it not an auto loss from her pov?

[Nero Cain]

I mean it makes the most sense to me with them both going hard against evee.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, I don't have any great reasons to think she's town.

setup spec wise part of me feels like giving town a weak invest makes more sense than sky's role.

that crumbing feels vaguely town as well.

Also, I think that Roster and Sky going against her hard kinda points to her being town and the game-ending mislynch scum were hoping for. Of course, you could also argue that its a bus but why bus in this situation?

Are you of the mindset that Bob/Roster is scum?

[Nero Cain]

Why is evee obvscum?

[Nero Cain]

Why is evee obvscum?

thoughts about the back and forth and the arguments presented?

idk, i just got home and will read everything later

[Nero Cain]

What if.

scum are sky, evee and roster and they are hard pushing Evee but then the question is why would the scum team bus here?

[Nero Cain]

I wouldn't really put it past Schadd to make a game that's nearly mountainous but I kinda agree that 1 of the prs could be true. That's why I lean town on the MD.

like let's pretend that this game is

8 vts
1MD
3 masons
vs.

3 goons.

and the only movement this game is going to be on scum that performs the nk.

like, idk, it just makes more sense to me than a disloyal FN.

scum don't really need to bus in this situation, I agree but just Sky/Roster and Evee 1v1ing makes me wonder is all.

[Nero Cain]

what if it is just a Bob/Roster/Ky team and he's distancing from her?

[Nero Cain]

b/c you refuse to vote anyone but Evee and it makes it like you are scum w/ Bob and Roster. Although, the idea the Evee is a bus and you two and Roster are just scum theatreuing doesn't seem exactly impossible. At the same time, I feel like scum bussing here is just kinda WTF? like they could go for an EZ as fuck Bob mislynch so why bus instead? It makes no sense unless Bob is, you know, scum.

[Nero Cain]

but if Bob and Roster were scum and Evee is the only mislynchable townie would you not claim that to vote only her?

Who is scum with Evee and why?

[Nero Cain]

Scratch that, I am wrong, Bob was the first one to mention a pairing in 360 and Nero said in 362 what people were thinking.

this is not exactly true.

I guess the smart thing would be to not lynch Axe today and let scum either nk that (if he really is town) or lynch him the day b4 lylo.

he also kinda got in the middle of my interrogation of Bob so it sorta looks like a

nom

, bob,

axe

team.

Both these posts (especially 220) are acknowledging the link between you and Axe.

As why would town player keep pushing clear masons.

Only scum knew they were clear. Also, at least two confirmed town (besides me) did push axe. Buj and Kid. He was just that annoying and unlikeable.

[Nero Cain]

It's also possible Eevee is scum motion detector as I said before.

if she's scum she's not

prob

not a MD. I mean, it would be very WIFOM for Schadd to give scum a pr in a near mountainous setup up. So to me, it feels like this is a fakeclaim or she's a town MD.

Roster and Bob are the two she's unsure about, being sure that nero is scum

maybe scum is a evee/roster/bob team. idk.

[Nero Cain]

if evee is sure im scum shouldn't she be voting me?

[Nero Cain]

As why would town player keep pushing

clear masons

isn't this a slip here? town (like me, Buj and Kid) are gonna have healthy skepticism to masons. Scum knew the masons were clear.

I don't really understand why we aren't lynching Bob here.

[Nero Cain]

nero is harder but he was scummy for a bit and just kinda there which i wouldnt expect from them. but it could have been a boredish townie for that section

tell me more

[Nero Cain]

so, you are back tracking here?

[Nero Cain]

it was in order of most to least scummmy

the backtracking was @ ^

like she calls me for sure scum and then I'm "least likely"

[Nero Cain]

I knew they were either masons or scum together, yes.

[Nero Cain]

and she's only been addressing me this whole time, not roster iirc even with roster sring her and even voting her

Roster and Bob are the two she's unsure about,

being sure that nero is scum.

[Nero Cain]

Why was I scummy, Evee?

[Nero Cain]

I hard townread Nero

[Nero Cain]

but sky, you are calling Bob scum. if everyone agrees that he's scum we can just lynch him and give town another day. that seems like the most pro-town thing.

[Nero Cain]

if I was scum this woulda been a pretty good game from me but sadly I'm town and have maybe not played that great. I don't really blame myself for scumreading ruirui and kid. My only misplay (assuming Bob is scum) is when I questioned his d2 lynch. Prob sky too.

[Nero Cain]

TheWizard

(8):

NotAnAxehole

, rosterfoster,

NerfedBuJ, nomnomnom

, EeveeLution Army, bob3141,

Sickofit1138

, Skygazer

NerfedBuj

(2):

Nero Cain, Performer

NotAnAxehole

(2):

TheWizard, Flavor Leaf

Performer

(1):

RuiRui

KidAmn

(1):

Wagonomics

Wagonomics

(1):

KidAmn

[Nero Cain]

Sickofit1138

(7):

NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom

, Skygazer,

Performer, NerfedBuJ

, rosterfoster,

Flavor Leaf

RuiRui

(1):

Nero Cain

bob3141 (1):

Sickofit1138

Skygazer (1): bob3141
EeveeLution Army (1):

KidAmn

not voting (2):

RuiRui

, EeveeLution Army

[Nero Cain]

RuiRui

(6):

Nero Cain, Performer, nomnomnom

, Skygazer,

NotAnAxehole

, rosterfoster

NotAnAxehole

(2):

NerfedBuJ, KidAmn

not voting (3):

RuiRui

, bob3141, EeveeLution Army

[Nero Cain]

KidAmn

(5): Skygazer,

Nero Cain, KidAmn

, rosterfoster, bob3141

not voting (4):

Performer, nomnomnom

, EeveeLution Army,

NotAnAxehole

[Nero Cain]

nothing, im scum doing busy work. I really hate your posting.

[Nero Cain]

Roster is on every lynch so he's gotta be scum right?

Idk, I just feel like its a roster/bob team with Sky and Roster pushing Evee as the game-ending mislynch

[Nero Cain]

idk its just you know you have 2 confirmed scum in your pov unless you think both me and sky are scum

Whats your point?

[Nero Cain]

tbf, I can never have too many buddies.

[Nero Cain]

Sickofit1138

(7):

NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom

, Skygazer,

Performer, NerfedBuJ

, rosterfoster,

Flavor Leaf

RuiRui

(1):

Nero Cain

bob3141 (1):

Sickofit1138

Skygazer (1): bob3141
EeveeLution Army (1):

KidAmn

not voting (2):

RuiRui

, EeveeLution Army

RuiRui

(6):

Nero Cain, Performer, nomnomnom

, Skygazer,

NotAnAxehole

, rosterfoster

NotAnAxehole

(2):

NerfedBuJ, KidAmn

i think at least 1 of sky and roster have to be scum otherwise this is all town wagons and nope.

not voting (3):

RuiRui

, bob3141, EeveeLution Army

[Nero Cain]

TheWizard

(8):

NotAnAxehole

, rosterfoster,

NerfedBuJ, nomnomnom

, EeveeLution Army, bob3141,

Sickofit1138

, Skygazer

NerfedBuj

(2):

Nero Cain, Performer

NotAnAxehole

(2):

TheWizard, Flavor Leaf

Performer

(1):

RuiRui

KidAmn

(1):

Wagonomics

Wagonomics

(1):

KidAmn

KidAmn

(5): Skygazer,

Nero Cain, KidAmn

, rosterfoster, bob3141

not voting (4):

Performer, nomnomnom

, EeveeLution Army,

NotAnAxehole

rosters name again and Bob keeps popping up.

[Nero Cain]

@Nero if i asked you to vote eevee right now would you

I rather not. I mean, ok her posting isn't great but I feel like the MD claim makes more sense in this setup than a disloyal FN.

Also, I just feel like lynching in Bob/Roster is the safer lynch although you're right that we (I) will have to lynch from Sky/Evee eventually and why delay it I guess?

if you and axe really rather end the game on a evee lynch I don't think I'll hold up it.

Why is Evee a better lynch than Sky though?

[Nero Cain]

I mean, evee/sky/bob and roster can talk all they want but we decide the lynch.

[Nero Cain]

YAY!

[Nero Cain]

you do know that I'm calling Roster and Bob scum right?

[Nero Cain]

honestly, I feel like its Sky and I don't really see that changing but I'll vote whomever you want me to vote so I can blame you guys if I'm right or win the game if I'm wrong. win win 4 me!

[Nero Cain]

if sky is scum I could see her kill me b/c she never wins but you two are confirmed town masons so and I'm not exactly confirmed town so they might still think I'm lynchAable.

[Nero Cain]

I mean you two should be talking to me about who to lynch between sky and Evee.

[Nero Cain]

What do you want to interact with me about?

[Nero Cain]

i wish I had bullets but rarely do I get to be a vig or any useful pr

[Nero Cain]

it basicly boils down to I think your role could be fake. Claim something that keeps you alive>>>>claim something that means you'd never have any results and it has a built in excuse that for why no one would claim to get a FN b/c only scum can receive and scum wouldn't scumclaim. TBF, I think its a p neat sounding role. Very WIFOMY so top notch fakeclaim or top notch role if thats a role schadd thought of.

I feel like you and roster going HARD against Evee makes sense to me as scum that's going for a game-ending ML.

[Nero Cain]

IT WAS A BULLET JOKE!

[Nero Cain]

but see, even if Evee is conf scum to you that still makes Bob and Roster scum. In my mind, it makes sense to vote there first and give town the best possible chance. In that scenario where we lynch Bob and Roster and go into 3 player lylo I'll have to make the decision between you two but that makes the most sense to me and you and Roster wanting to not do that makes me think you guys are scum.

I get it, "Roster is scum and he's trying to make me look guilty." but its also just WIFOM.

me, nom and Axe are gonna spend a large chunk of the day talking about who to lynch between you and Evee.

[Nero Cain]

if evee is scum and I pushing for her wagon d1 only to get derailed by a shitty Wizard wagon then Axe can go fuck off. but then I think I could be wrong. idk. I'll see what they have to say tomorrow and maybe I'll iso you two later.

[Nero Cain]

that's not really accurate. Also, it's not like I can force ppl to vote not Wizard. Also bringing up d1 reasoning to push me/throw shade @ me on d5 is fucking laughable. If you thought I was scummy for not stopping the Wizard wagon then you should have said something but you never did.

go away scum.

[Nero Cain]

I mean, we are voting Roster here.

I mean, like I said this is going to come down to a 3p lylo between me, you and Evee. I mean, there's a chance that I vote correctly and win the game. I mean if Axe and Nom just want to take that risk now instead of wait for days then I guess I'd be ok with that.

[Nero Cain]

So Sky, I don't think anyone has asked you this yet but how do you feel about voting with confirmed scum Roster? Why does he bus Evee here?

[Nero Cain]

I've been pushing you as scum for a while now. There is no "just now" Your posts are reactionary and bad (read scummy)

[Nero Cain]

Technicalllllly roster isn't scum confirmed?

i am p sure you were calling roster and bob scum but am to lazy to quote fetch

[Nero Cain]

and you are voting with him.

scum need 1 ML to win. I'm not really seeing what the point in bussing here is?

[Nero Cain]

There is plenty of point in bussing today but OK.

maybe only with a you, bob, evee team.

b/c Bob seems like he would be the EZ push and he's not getting pushed so he's prob scum.

You're scum period but you could maybe gain a smidgen of town cred if you bus Evee.

but I could easily just see you and Sky go for an Evee lynch b/c you two won't bus Bob and Evee is gonna be a much easier ML than me.

And that's what occams says.

[Nero Cain]

Sickofit1138

(7):

NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom

, Skygazer,

Performer, NerfedBuJ

, rosterfoster,

Flavor Leaf

RuiRui

(1):

Nero Cain

bob3141 (1):

Sickofit1138

Skygazer (1): bob3141
EeveeLution Army (1):

KidAmn

not voting (2):

RuiRui

, EeveeLution Army

RuiRui

(6):

Nero Cain, Performer, nomnomnom

, Skygazer,

NotAnAxehole

, rosterfoster

NotAnAxehole

(2):

NerfedBuJ, KidAmn

i think at least 1 of sky and roster have to be scum otherwise this is all town wagons and nope.

not voting (3):

RuiRui

, bob3141, EeveeLution Army

also, there's a 0% chance these are all town lynches. Roster should be thinking Sky is scum and Roster should be angry that Sky is calling him scum. None of this is happening.

[Nero Cain]

this a bus, nom?

[Nero Cain]

There is a difference between a healthy skepticism and trying to get them lynched.

You do realize that there was also confirmed town that was pushing him right?

Why is it so hard to believe that town me was skeptical of the claim b4 performer's death confirmed them? By your logic buj and kid are both scum, then how come they flipped town?

Thats bit of logical falsey. First I am infact being pushed by everyone apart from eve.

And who has been the most vocal for my lynch.

In fact you saying no one is pushing this lynch is in fact pushing that lynch. Posted after you have many statements advocating for my lynch.

ppl calling you scum=//=wagon.

[Nero Cain]

I mean you're just upset. Other than being fairly wrong most of the game I've done nothing that's scummy but ok w/e

[Nero Cain]

And since you are claimalso that sky is scum yet haven't voted for him is telling as it looks to me like you don't want to hammer you scum partner.

As there are 3 votes on sky and I know i am town that means sky can't possibly anything but scum in mind as why hasn't scum hammered him.

The only possibilities is either that sky is scum or the impossible because from my perspective I know Im town and sure eve is town. And that is that all those voting for sky must be scum as why wouldn't he of been hammered. As it only takes one townie to vote for him

Therefore, sky is scum and your his scum buddy.

maybe I want to talk to the two confirmed town, yes?