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RN has an unresolvable BP claim

and is

probably scummy

and the

JV and RN interaction is SvT

teal = my brain gets this wall of white noise every time i try to care about the claim i'm really sorry it's just not very interesting

purple = why do you scumread him?

green = why do you think it's svt?

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Are you saying a PR shouldn't target me? Hell, I welcome ALL PR targeting. Once the rest of these peeps realize I'm Town then I become unstoppable and a major thorn in both Scum's sides.

Scum PGO moment

If only PGO was normal, I wouldn't have died my first game as SK fake-claiming it like a nutter

i had the same thought.

also oof.

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flashback to n2 jv shot fl so nobody would call them out on their eventual game-winning pgo claim

the other scumteam shot hu tao because it was funny

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Well, I played with him in 2309 when he was lurky AF and was Scum, so I rallied everyone around nailing him to the wall and we won. I know STD said he was sleeping back then but he's doing the same thing now all game. I also don't think I can believe there's two duplicate Town Roleblockers in this game—I'm more inclined to think there's two Scum Roleblockers. Then again if STD IS Scum I don't fully understand why he'd claim that when Hu Tao flipped that.

on activity - sure but dragons is rarely very vocal until later in the game when he's more engaged. this is a 23p game and is down to 17p. it's also 190 pages long. i'm less vocal than i usually am as town, and i'm a bloody chatterbox compared to dragons at the best of times. i don't think he should be townread on a meta basis, but i don't think the argument that he's scum on a meta basis holds any weight.

i don't find the claim argument compelling as i've said. it's a pretty tenuous claim if he is scum who's trying to coast by given we literally have a flipped roleblocker. wasn't hu tao a vt tho

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flashback to n2 jv shot fl so nobody would call them out on their eventual game-winning pgo claim

the other scumteam shot hu tao because it was funny

Hu Tao gets shot a lot by scared Scum I'm finding.

i agree, hu tao is a good random early shot because they're terrifying and can take some time to wind up. i guess with benefit of hindsight after d2 hu tao was probably less limmable than my mind has decided.

huh this actually isn't as outlandish as i expected

curious to see how the night played out postgame

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i feel like i've wondered this before but whomst the fuck shot drew

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i feel like i've wondered this before but whomst the fuck shot drew

I did

multitasking n1 50% loyal fruit vender 100% vigilante, n2 vigilante whose shot stops one of the factional kills,

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RN has an unresolvable BP claim

and is

probably scummy

and the

JV and RN interaction is SvT

teal = my brain gets this wall of white noise every time i try to care about the claim i'm really sorry it's just not very interesting

purple = why do you scumread him?

green = why do you think it's svt?

1. the BP claim is pretty much NAI as this is a large multiball and it is still not known if the game is SKattic or not

2. RN's pushes feel like they are for the sake of pushing and setting up easy lims.

3. That interaction doesn't have the fierceness of a TvT interaction nor the performance of an SvS interaction

teal = agreed cool

purple = sure, granted. i can't really decide if i expect any more from RN this early in the game w the gamestate as it is

green = this feels reductive. like, my mars is in libra, as town my arguments usually involve explaining my perspective, hearing out someone else's perspective, then deciding the truth is something completely unrelated to both. which is to say different people have different ways of arguing. i think rn is un-empowered and (bluntly) argued off a cliff, jv is definitely the more dominant party in that conflict but rn is kind of just doing different things instead? why do you think the interaction needs to be more fierce or more performative?

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i kind of forgot about s/s with other teams too ouagh
broadly speaking though that's another argument vs. rn that i just,, don't really feel holds weight

the informed thing is kind of on my mind too idk how i feel

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i kind of forgot about s/s with other teams too ouagh
broadly speaking though that's another argument vs. rn that i just,, don't really feel holds weight

the informed thing is kind of on my mind too idk how i feel

It's fake, I don't believe his claim. You said you didn't either, at least not fully. Would town!RN be motivated to fake-claim as Town? Probably tbch, seems like a matching character trait. Huh, that's shifted my thinking a little bit actually

(whispered) yeeaah

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would you like to place a vanity vote in my cool people list and hope it sticks

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unvoting reduces the strength of your vote to 0!!

if you're not happy with the rn wagon, std is also an option. i guess i'm wondering whether - while you're mulling over rn - you're comfortable with this gamestate?

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i get that, just goin for the lhf joke

guess i'm interested to see where your broader reads are at bc we've got like multiple scum and multiple factions still going and this gamestate feels very hyperfixated. it seems kinda easy for scum to slip by, even if we have 1-2 in our sights.

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you're comfortable with this gamestate?

Why does this feel like a loaded question

it's a very dense question but not a leading question

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Well, it's difficult for me in larger games

me too (@ above post too)

i think focusing on a smaller number of scumreads, and on interactions between them, is kind of a learned behaviour and it's sort of instinctive to keep going back to that when interactions get more and more heated

i'm gonna keep resetting myself, i have about 4 townreads that have survived past d1 lol

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alright fair enough, that's kind of why the gamestate question was dense

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ʜdt ƨi tƨυį

posting in code?

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dave how are your reads progressing?

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i forgot this was a thing

this wagon is policy but it's correct

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This is

not in order of reads

but here is a brain dump mostly from memory.

Random Nurse - seems under performing for someone who was actively recruiting, would have to re-read for more than that
Flavor Leaf - would be strong town if it weren't multiball
pisskop - seems towny
Hu Tao - I get a feeling of shallowness, but don't know if that's AI in this situation
camelCasedSnivy - I had a scumread when I voted but don't think the reason still holds. would need to re-read
Doctor Drew - can't really remember much, which is moderately surprising
Save The Dragons - another that I can't remember much about, less surprising
Aisa - somewhat towny is the impression I remember, but would need to re-examine for motivations
Cat Scratch Fever - Play feels active, but perhaps selective. Will be a good one to look at more closely after flips
Naerys - haven't noticed them very much
Klazam - seems low effort, not very towny but not explicitly scummy
Psyche - not afraid to push a different direction from consensus
bob3141 - was vla for a big part, probably won't be fully engaged this day (though the posts which came while I was writing this are looking up)
iamveryhappy - hard for me to describe. maybe more reactive than proactive but I'd need to re-read
TemporalLich - fearful and appeasy. extremely self conscious. if town, would be an endgame liability
furtiveglance - probing questions and doesn't feel pressured when opinions are contrary to the group
ZZZX - quite reactionary, gets into arguments. could be "caught for wrong reasons syndrome" but I think personality conflicts are more likely reason.
the worst - was vla which limits material. very at ease which gives a very slight townlean
bbmolla - doesn't like d1 and not afraid to say it. can't sort for that reason
Shrek - has been intermittently active, doesn't stand out enough for a read
JacksonVirgo - would be strong town if it weren't multiball
shaddowez - I've seen posts but TBH did not pay enough attention to them

anything strengthened from here?

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anything strengthened from here?

A lot has changed on a few of them, given you didn't redact the departed.
Some, maybe even a lot, on the living. But it won't be tonight. 10:50 pm

the fact you've got enough time to sass me and not enough time to mention a single updated read tells me plenty

have a good night, gl with the appointments

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dave is not a good lim for today imo

why?

re. your next post -- Dave's reads always develop slowly unless there's mech information and I'd kinda forgotten that's how his playstyle works

I still think unfortunately that makes him a player I do not townread and am unlikely to begin to townread unless something changes dramatically

So it's kinda policy-ish but I feel justified :shrug:

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Anyone looked deeper into TL if his misguided townie vibes are real or not?

Still kinda hard to be 120% certain but TL is *SO* pure they got my d1 pass and they're getting my d3 pass now

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@mod - BBMolla cast a terrible and suspicious vote on me, not a good and useful vote on enchant.

I laughed out loud at this

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VOTE: zzzx

VOTE: Klazaaaam!

klazam? hmm

i'll go back to VOTE: zzzx

VOTE: Hu tao

VOTE: zzzzzzzx

Tl is town

VOTE: random nurse

VOTE: iavh

VOTE: bob maybe

I like hu tao as a possibility

VOTE: hu tao

VOTE: psyche

VOTE: random nurse

VOTE: CSF

VOTE: random nurse

no

VOTE: csf

I dont think youve voted for a single player I'd consider 'active'. Random certainly picked up today, and a little yesterday.

What? Who cares
Psyche is active, CSF isn't what I'd characterise as an easy person to push if that's what you're implying?

What's your point here is it impossible for someone to townread most of the active players in this game like I'm confused

VOTE: bob maybe

I had forgot about this. This was right out of the gate on D2.

Looked like a guilty to me, but where was this coming from?

what part of "name maybe" struck you as a guilty bc this sounds made up

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Pisskop pushing std is, broadly, making me want to vote std even less

too many pedits I'll be back later probably

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what part of "name maybe" struck you as a guilty bc this sounds made up

It was the very first thing posted at daybreak. Sounds 100% like softing a guilty.

by this logic no wagons should ever form early on any phase following d1 lol this is a valid way to soft a guilty if you're a tpr, but without dragons having flipped a role that realistically would have guilties, I don't know why you're looking for one

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I wonder what the odds of hypersensitivity to tpr softs being a scumtell are

I think it's a fairly bad one because I recently solved a game by realising that there was a fakeclaiming vig and that there was a very small number of people who weren't handling the situation uninformedly

still just like, noted

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two scumteams but the second one is only a traitor and has no factional kill

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two scumteams but the second one is only a traitor and has no factional kill

And also is a mailman, no reason in particular surely

seems appropriate

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VOTE: davesaz

Save the Dragons!

CSF tomorrow.

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If STD flips SK, kill everyone.

Absolutely not, that is STD's job



just as an aside my confidence in StD being scum is going down rapidly and I'm still waiting for a case?

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since im not gettign snivy today

If its between dave and stg ill rather vote dave.

Although ill hav eto look into it, the fact they are voting theh main driver of the STG wagon raises an eye. wagonomics at this point would imply scum would try and position themselves to push the main driver of a misexecution. And nurse is clearly just tunneling town so dont get why a vote would be on that player

actually like where Bob is at

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If STD flips SK, kill everyone.

Absolutely not, that is STD's job



just as an aside my confidence in StD being scum is going down rapidly and I'm still waiting for a case?

What about roleblocker claim

What about it?

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General thought dump:

- aaaa this game
- Was it bob who said the STD wagon seems low-hanging-fruit-ish? Sure, I can see that. The issue is that this game has a lot of players who are similarly difficult to read for me. I have like 2 confident townreads, a few players who are "meh, they can live for now", and no idea on everyone else.
- I think that when I repped in I said I townread TLich. I've changed my mind. It's been this way for a while. What prompted the change of heart was reminding myself of past experiences playing with Lich. They were scum in this marathon game recently. Their tone was pretty good / similar enough to this game, I'd have trouble pinpointing any differences. But I thought they had fairly openwolfy stances. I think the same could be going on in this game.
- Where is Shrek? This slot is falling in my reads fast purely because of their last two pop ins
- JV slot exists aaah

who do you townread

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And we must fix it

I think it's null, or I would argue slightly town indicative. Scum!STD who is in the poe can see Drew's flip and knows not to claim that.

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The issue is that this game has a lot of players who are similarly difficult to read for me. I have like 2 confident townreads, a few players who are "meh, they can live for now", and no idea on everyone else.

Who are your confident townreads, then?

RN and furtive
Need to run but I can elaborate when I come back if I need to

actually kinda like these reads lmao I'm not that confident on rn though

lich is like, very likely town. bbm and csf are also probably town.

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I'm a little more uncertain on furtive and it's a little harder to substantiate. Oh well.

- I really want the following tell to be true: the more furtive jokes about being scum, the less likely he is to be scum. To be clear I also do think this tell may be a little true
- Also like... sometimes I get a vibe that a player is not secretly in a scum PT based on the content and timing of their posts. There are some players who play like a submarine: every 24 hours they come out of their little nest and bless the thread with a single take such as "Aisa seems scummy to me". There are untold depths to their thoughts we will never get to see. This can be because it's just their personality or because they're scum.
Ahem. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that furtive has vibed in the thread at satisfying enough time intervals and with satisfying enough content that I don't think he's part of a secret little club this game

1. I think there's a very low chance that tell is true, furtive is just funny

2. interesting

do you not have any other reasons to townread furtive?

your townread on RN is a tone read. I don't hate it just, like, can't remember anything else you've posted and I'm kind of wanting more.

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oh

davesaz is a fine wagon... if this were Day 1

do you prefer voting out a scummy claim and associative, or just scummy dayplay?

scummy dayplay, voting pre-flip associatives is bad and I haven't seen anything compelling re. Klazam d1 associatives

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up to you

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This game is drowning in people who are talking a lot and saying very little so it's not like, super pressing arguing about a townread we agree on. I just don't have a read on you at all - I like the subjects of your reads but I haven't really seen anything in your reasoning that makes me want to townread you

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I think seeking a mechanical case in a large normal game with few night result claims is more likely to trend away from catching mafia

refer you to town's decision to lim Psyche d2 despite the fact they were town who may have been conformable, based on a tenuous night action claim

like, for what purpose are you pretending that mech information is a good idea here?

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STD flipping scum doesn't incriminate me. I'm town either way.

But yeah I'd rather vote both CSF and dave. I stated before the STD wagon that I scumread those two and I've voted them.

This is multiball.

Actually I can pick out this as a maybe towny post idk
I kinda townread the confidence. Reads a bit like it’s coming from a place of “yeah, protecting STD is exactly what I am doing because I don’t scumread him as much”
I can try finding other posts later

I suppose my RN read is in fact a tone read. I love dishing out tone reads

Have you also like, looked at my ISO? I wouldn’t be surprised if you did and still wanted more tbh

super briefly, I don't get a lot out of reading ISOs out of context and there's a bunch of this game I've missed & don't want to read

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because mech information is the only way I can confidently form actual reads of substance based on thoughts rather than emotion

I'd caution you to balance mech information with your emotional reads here, because following mech information right now is like provenly an act of folly

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I think seeking a mechanical case in a large normal game with few night result claims is more likely to trend away from catching mafia

refer you to town's decision to lim Psyche d2 despite the fact they were town who may have been conformable, based on a tenuous night action claim

like, for what purpose are you pretending that mech information is a good idea here?

calling that claim tenuous is like calling a galaxy normal sized

I agree, it's terrible claim and tenuous is compliment for fakeclaiming ability.

so by y'all's logic this game is stalled until JacksonVirgo is eliminated? I've seen no argument whatsoever that StD's claim is anything resembling fake.

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there is one piece of mechanical information pertinent to today - that jv claimed a guilty which ended up being false on Psyche.

std's claim is not alignment indicative. I have put down my reasoning for thinking that, if anything, it's slightly town indicative.

why is neither of you actually engaging with analysing mechanical information?

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I think seeking a mechanical case in a large normal game with few night result claims is more likely to trend away from catching mafia

refer you to town's decision to lim Psyche d2 despite the fact they were town who may have been conformable, based on a tenuous night action claim

like, for what purpose are you pretending that mech information is a good idea here?

calling that claim tenuous is like calling a galaxy normal sized

I agree, it's terrible claim and tenuous is compliment for fakeclaiming ability.

so by y'all's logic this game is stalled until JacksonVirgo is eliminated? I've seen no argument whatsoever that StD's claim is anything resembling fake.

STD claim sounds specifically designed to not be provable at moment of claim and buy 1-2 days.

or...... it's real

your read comes at the problem like you've already decided he is scum

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lich is like, very likely town. bbm and csf are also probably town.

Why do you think Lich is town?

CSF seems a hair above null to me, I’ve just been burned too many times to townread her more than that

I think that the sheer dedication to just utterly uncharismatically flying at full speed into the face of the common consensus (and, honestly, what I'd regard as common sense (which is probably foolish in a social game)) takes a very rare scum skillet

and like look, Lich has a scumgame and is definitely not a bad scum player

I just think that they too often make decisions which look like trying to solve a game and assert real thoughts which lack cognitive dissonance

they seem at all turns exactly like someone very very different from me solving a game of mafia and it is driving me to drink but I'm pretty sure its town

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do you believe that this setup only has two blocking roles?

Likelyhood of mafia having roleblock/jailkeep is pretty high.

again. why would dragons trueclaim as scum after Drew's flip.

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do you believe that this setup only has two blocking roles?

Likelyhood of mafia having roleblock/jailkeep is pretty high.

again. why would dragons trueclaim as scum after Drew's flip.

Because you totally would buy it.

I'm pretty sure you've decided on the outcome you want from this thought experiment already

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I'm pretty sure you've decided on the outcome you want from this thought experiment already

I don't understand what you mean by that

that tracks

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hi

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VOTE: STD

Dave is still scum

woah woah woah, why STD over DAve then?

my exact rxn

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I'm still not mega picky about who we eliminate at this point

Kinda same but why Std?

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shrek kept me engaged on d1 ngl i'm sad at the prospect of that being scum

i guess i was pocketable

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The worst doesnt seem to be compared to 2309 mini. This is note for myself so i dont fget this

that game sparked joy, this game brings pain. I'm tryin my best.

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I'm not gonna power this until lategame if I'm still alive. Every time I log in there's 5-20 pages of absolute drivel and nobody ever changes their mind about anything. When I try to be persuasive I'm ignored because everyone's already made up their mind. Like this isn't a game of mafia it's a game of "lim random people for tenuous poorly-substantiated reasons and hope for the best". I'm not gonna argue with 20 people who have their heads in the clouds. If I'm still around to argue with 10 you'll get enough me for a lifetime but this is painful.

"Lurking" is a pretty piss-poor categorisation every time I'm here I'm producing content and trying to break the status quo.

Idk why I'm trying as hard as I am honestly

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Oh stop being such a diva.

how dare

my diva era has not even begun this is the prequel

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thanks y'all I saw a couple of disparaging comments about me being a lurker on one page and was like??? pardon,,

that said one was naerys who *I* would consider a lurker so maybe that's a good slot to evaluate tomorrow

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I hope I'm wrong on dragons

I'm honestly not convinced I'm right I just wish we'd done something I feel better about

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even if the worst is telling the truth its not AI

i feel the same way about this game most of the time

+1 this; I'm not being emotional and I don't want you all to think I'm appealing to your emotions

but if you want to come at me, come at me for something good

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We can just have the fruit-vendor-with-a-gun-under-his-coat do another magic trick.

Maybe there's an ace up his sleeve

jv uses they/them pronouns

eh it's a joat and the powers so far have been goofy af so I'm expecting something a bit less stacked

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I'm goin Dave over csf but if Dave is low energy scum I am uncertain why he's going for Enchant over csf rn

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I will not be voting for csf because - once again - y'all are mindlessly wagoning fairly obvious town.

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I'm actually like

VOTE: enchant

weirdly I like this about 1% more than I like dave I don't really have any notes on either of them except confusion

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if we can yeet both Dave and Enchant I'll die happy. like why are smart people voting for csf rn

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if we can yeet both Dave and Enchant I'll die happy. like why are smart people voting for csf rn

hello ur still my fav what's going on?

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Town enchant?

Anyway, Im just under the impression theyre kind of trollish as a personality trait.

What I like about them is how they seem to be actively pushing the game forward with their own ideas

I feel like enchant's takes are kind of fringe/safe? where has Enchant advanced the dialogue

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I hope fringe/safe makes sense outside my brain

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if we can yeet both Dave and Enchant I'll die happy. like why are smart people voting for csf rn

Considering dave has more votes than me... Probably. I think i didn't bother to check.

You voting me is a bit counterproductive for this goal.

you're the same in my mind except that you seem to be in survival mode whereas Dave snapvoting you struck me as slightly interesting

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The worst have u checked CSF voting actions? How are town reading that? Explain please

no, should I?

I think their play has been towny so I haven't dug into their vca or whatever can someone talk me through what they're seeing here?

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if we can yeet both Dave and Enchant I'll die happy. like why are smart people voting for csf rn

hello ur still my fav what's going on?

Can you list the 5 scum players for me

not very confidently, I can throw down some reads after my shift

I'd like more absolutely null slots dead because (1) we've got scum there based purely on conscience tells, (2) klazam is dry for associatives

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yikes, why do I continue to hang out with you guys if you only want me dead

you love us really right?

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The worst have u checked CSF voting actions? How are town reading that? Explain please

no, should I?

I think their play has been towny so I haven't dug into their vca or whatever can someone talk me through what they're seeing here?

So you are basically admitting that you are not really giving much effort into this game. Kinda different from 2309 mini you, where you helped us win smoothly.

correct, I think we've already had this convo

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Day 4 VC 4:

Cat Scratch Fever (6) bob3141, furtiveglance, TemporalLich, Naerys, shaddowez, pisskop
Enchant (4): Cat Scratch Fever, davesaz, the worst, camelCasedSnivy
davesaz (3): gob, Enchant, BBmolla

Not voting (1): Random Nurse

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2023-10-15 09:54:00).

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eliminate and 7 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES: I took my SAT today and my left arm is cramped af

y'all ever wake up, see a vc and realise you've stumbled onto the counterwagon,, asking for a friend

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my first instinct is to yeet dave because i still don't get the csf hate has anyone explained this

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VOTE: dave let's do this thing

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y'all why the hell are we eliminating CSF, who is constantly efforting and appears to actually be tangibly trying to solve this game, rather than ignoring the entire core of players with ~2 reads who are lurking or shitposting their way through?

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i feel very disconnected

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like i feel like i've been confused and asking for some more information about stuff people are just ~vibing~ for multiple phases and we keep misyeeting town power roles and we're now lining up one of my stronger early townreads for a lim and like, i am not convinced that i'm the problem lol

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VOTE: naerys

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VOTE: naerys

Why exactly do you not vote CSF?

at a certain point, i worry that you don't read my posts

i don't scumread csf.
i do not understand why this wagon is happening.
i have been advocating for other lims all day.
csf's reaction to being wagoned has been to make an effort to solve the game to the greatest of her abilities; i understand that's not clearing, but it's more town indicative than half of the plist.
naerys has been scummy af all phase.

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every time i forget pisskop is in this game and pisskop drops into my POE, pisskop starts making more sense than everyone else

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what do my other townreads say, get in here

i'm tired and i no longer have a read on anyone

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CSF's towniness under pressure doesn't make bad VCA not bad VCA

what was bad about their VCA?

she was on the Hu Tao wagon for all of Day 2, and seems to be an opportunistic voter

what's opportunistic about vote-parking someone for an entire phase?

multiple people scumread hu tao on d2 - what about csf's push there actually strikes you as scum indicative?

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what do my other townreads say, get in here

i'm tired and i no longer have a read on anyone

well you are voting naerys currently

i'm cool w voting naerys

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i think the status quo is pretty goofy. we keep nearly doing cool neat stuff then misyeet town instead. i do not intend to vote with the status quo unless i'm satisfied that it's more insightful than my reads.

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actually i don't think i like a single lim in this game.

d1 - iavh is the best lim all game. we should've done zzzx (enchant's slot now) instead but iavh was a lurker so whatever.

d2 - the psyche lim was easily the wildest elimination in the game and we would have been better off liming basically anyone else. i think the hu tao wagon on d2 was significantly better than the psyche lim. i actually think csf heavily townsided by vote-parking hu tao, so i'm happy for someone to come along and throw another perspective at me here!!

d3 - the dragons lim was bleak. there were a bunch of viable wagons but we really should have just done dave with the momentum there.

d4 - we should be doing dave. i still don't understand why the csf wagon is so popular.

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if i wasn't busy with things outside this game i'd deep dive and case some folks and try to shake things up and get a better wagon going. as far as i can tell it's ridiculous that we aren't eliminating outside of this pool, and continuing to eliminate high-content players who are not scummy is a recipe for a scum-dominated lategame. note: we are already in a scum-dominated midgame.

this pool has like 3-5 scum in it, convince me i'm wrong:
camelCasedSnivy
davesaz
Naerys
bob3141
Enchant
BBMolla
shaddowez

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I'd say CSF's Day 1 votes are opportunistic, and Hu Tao flipping town isn't exactly good VCA

talk me through CSF's d1? i thought CSF's d1 was very lucid, and i tended to like their voting.

what about hu tao flipping town makes CSF look bad for vote-parking there? please keep in mind that scum are slightly more incentivised to scumhunt than town are in these setups because they cannot control the gamestate until other nightkills are removed.

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enchant is a contender for removal from that pool because i am not convinced enchant had anyone on their side when he was wagoned earlier this phase

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Naerys ur fine it's just a heated game. Please keep an eye on pronouns, I noticed you've used the wrong ones for JV a view times.

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should we start a cool spicy new wagon

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Btw if u think i am scum with risking my head like this… just think. If CSF flips red i am dead, if molla flips green i am also dead. I want town to think and make a solid case. No more blind voting.

I think this argument has limited benefit because, even if csf is scum, there is an entire team who do not know her alignment. But I get what you mean I think.

+1 if pisskop is scum I'm going to need a hug.

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Naerys ur fine it's just a heated game. Please keep an eye on pronouns, I noticed you've used the wrong ones for JV a view times.

I know, its hard to remember what they use since they are not here anymore

sometimes if i'm not confident, i'll check the thread's ISO feature (down the bottom-left) in another tab bc it lists all players with listed pronouns

just a random tip while it's on my mind

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VOTE: dave this game is wild

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Day 4 VC 5:

BBmolla (6 [E-2]): Naerys, TemporalLich, pisskop, davesaz, BBmolla, camelCasedSnivy
Cat Scratch Fever (4): bob3141, furtiveglance, shaddowez, Random Nurse
davesaz (3): gob, Enchant, Cat Scratch Fever
Naerys (1): the worst

Not voting (0):

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2023-10-15 09:54:00).

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eliminate and 7 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

how many townies do you think are on that

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uhh okay not super proud of my csf read

Why shaddowez, he feels almost as town as pisskop

i've seen like 2 shaddowez posts all game and one of them was approving my scumread on him. why do you have shadowwez as top tier town?

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VOTE: enchant this is lowkey vindicating

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VOTE: Naerys

i am not super pro-this vote

pedit: dragon!!! hello omg i'm very hype to be playing with you!! i haven't caught up so i have no idea who you are yet

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VOTE: enchant this is lowkey vindicating

lets hear why

votes are finally gluing to a slot that is just not doing anything which resembles towniness! i've been yelling for elimination in a pool which included enchant for aaaages

like yes, i was wrong about csf, i think that's likely the deepest scum that team had. we have so many hella sketchy slots and the fact enchant looked aligned with skilled flip scum is so exhilarating to me.

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y'all naerys' posting today is frustrated, not alignment indicative, and i'd appreciate if we could not be distracted by the shiny thing

fwiw i do not townread her in the slightest but enchant looks like scum with flipped scum. naerys could be scum with enchant maybe i guess and was behind a cw to csf but i'm less excited about that enchant. actually maybe i like both of these wagons. as you were.

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pedit: dragon!!! hello omg i'm very hype to be playing with you!! i haven't caught up so i have no idea who you are yet

Wow I'm really flattered by this.

warm cozy pocket right here, it's all yours if you want it

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i'm not gonna catch up rn i'm too excited

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uhh okay not super proud of my csf read

Why shaddowez, he feels almost as town as pisskop

i've seen like 2 shaddowez posts all game and one of them was approving my scumread on him. why do you have shadowwez as top tier town?

You will find that after doing some iso i threw out shaddowez from my TR

i'd appreciate your summary now on why he's town. don't need anything too lengthy. i just don't see it 230+ pages in and i'm interested in the cliffnotes version of what you're seeing!

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i just did my readlist and two of my stronger townreads died last night i hate this timeline

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maybe i'm lying about bbm my read on him flipped every 30 seconds

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Day 5 VC 2:

davesaz (4): DragonEater70, Naerys, Enchant, TemporalLich
Naerys (1): Random Nurse

Not voting (6): pisskop, davesaz, the worst, gob, shaddowez, camelCasedSnivy

Day 5 will end in (expired on 2023-10-23 18:28:00).

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

MOD NOTES: shaddowez is V/LA

P-edit: ok dragon

dragon the goat

VOTE: dave e-1

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i'm not gonna catch up rn i'm too excited

About?

Pedit: I hate this timeline as well, I just read half of the previous day and like the only one I'm townreading is Molla who's dead.

like
my poe has been camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, Naerys, bob3141, Enchant, shaddowez, with a sprinkling of bbm sometimes depending on my mood

camel starts a spicy wagon
naerys is finally getting some heat, and is defending shaddowez
people are talking about the fact enchant is scummy
you replace bob3141 who was not playing the game
you are playing the game and tell me in unread pages we got an e-2 wagon on dave who i've been calling for the lim of for like 2? 3? days

feels like xmas for me rn

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dw you don't have to townread me we can celebrate in postgame

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dw you don't have to townread me we can celebrate in postgame

No no, I said my doubts have vanished so now I'm sure you're town

oh even better. coffee hasn't kicked in yet double negatives are hard

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naerys is finally getting some heat, and is defending shaddowez

i do not, not anymore
i literally wrote to you i threw him out of my TR

ah i misread this one too - "threw out a TR" and "threw him out of my TR" are two very different things

i am a lil inadequate on the communicating thing today

secretly i kinda liked your opening this phase and for a brief moment of true mania i considered completely rebuilding my reads with you at the core

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works for me. i promised a friend i'd game with them today so i'll be absent for a bit but i feel like i've had fresh air breathed into me :')

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e-1

lol for real? can we not yet tho?

why not? why call me out and not dragon for inciting the wagon, or camel for declaring intent to hammer?

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VOTE: Random Nurse

Hey hi

Gonna need a p good explanation of this one

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smh

That was the least believable vt claim ever

Dave isn't even trying to solve.

Voting Snivy for pagetopping is ludicrous, and a scumclaim.

Took the words out of my mouth. I think Dave has committed to claiming vt but I really don't see any reason to believe the t part...

My top scumreads are still Enchant and gob. Molla was in that category along with csf and all of them were for the same reasons. I'd be happy with 50% on this.

Enchant is fair fypov but worth keeping in mind Enchant was the counterwagon to csf along with you yesterday for what that's worth in multiball. Idk post-csf flip I'm a lot more willing to yeet Enchant.

Why gob?

We probably have like 4 other scum alive right? Who are your other scumreads rn?

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I'm not surprised both Scum teams are so incompetent they still haven't really managed to hit each other. Maybe I should start handing out free tips so they actually have a chance.

this post is kinda funny but in a way that makes my heart sink

pedit: thanks Enchant I need more funny posts this morning

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thanks Enchant I need more funny posts this morning

Why did the chicken cross the road? He was

tired

of waiting

that chicken is a mood

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i don't wanna twist the knife so i won't talk about our lim mistakes

tbf i also stanned csf far too hard so maybe i'm just a contrarian lol

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i keep going back to dave's case on shaddowez and i'm finding myself like... perplexed

it feels like a case which is finding reasons to townread someone rather than a case which is actually things which dave has thought about shaddowez in the course of assessing his alignment in this game

but also dave is actually genuinely motivated to consider the alignment of shaddowez regardless of dave's own alignment and he kind of just, like, proves that shaddowez is presenting internal consistency

idk i don't think it really changes anything for me i'm just hyperfocus

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I still remember that game with lunar and solar cults where i defended every single scum player.

genuine regent energy i'm so impressed

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As Scum I seriously struggle to commit because it's extremely difficult for me to fake not knowing who's who.

just keep in mind that scum also don't know who's who in multiball

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i keep going back to dave's case on shaddowez and i'm finding myself like... perplexed

it feels like a case which is finding reasons to townread someone rather than a case which is actually things which dave has thought about shaddowez in the course of assessing his alignment in this game

but also dave is actually genuinely motivated to consider the alignment of shaddowez regardless of dave's own alignment and he kind of just, like, proves that shaddowez is presenting internal consistency

idk i don't think it really changes anything for me i'm just hyperfocus

If this is regarding the post where I put shadow's votes, it is nothing more than an answer to the question "what do you think about shadow not being on any lim wagons".
Calling it a case indicates you may not have read it.

i understand that. i categorise it as a case because it seems to be an unpopular and very strong read of yours and that's the most justification i've seen for it - am i missing something?

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As Scum I seriously struggle to commit because it's extremely difficult for me to fake not knowing who's who.

just keep in mind that scum also don't know who's who in multiball

While I can appreciate that, do remember that both Scum are cursed with insider knowledge and have to blend in. As Town I don't have either.

that's valid

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not even sure shaddowez' issue is lurking? his reads are just really underdeveloped for this stage of the game

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i keep going back to dave's case on shaddowez and i'm finding myself like... perplexed

it feels like a case which is finding reasons to townread someone rather than a case which is actually things which dave has thought about shaddowez in the course of assessing his alignment in this game

but also dave is actually genuinely motivated to consider the alignment of shaddowez regardless of dave's own alignment and he kind of just, like, proves that shaddowez is presenting internal consistency

idk i don't think it really changes anything for me i'm just hyperfocus

If this is regarding the post where I put shadow's votes, it is nothing more than an answer to the question "what do you think about shadow not being on any lim wagons".
Calling it a case indicates you may not have read it.

i understand that. i categorise it as a case because it seems to be an unpopular and very strong read of yours and that's the most justification i've seen for it - am i missing something?

It's not a strong read. See 6742 (hope I remembered the number right but really it's not hard to find at all)

is shad not your strongest townread? i've just ctrl+f'd "shadd" in your iso and i can't find any reasoning for it

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Let me enlarge the text to make things a little clearer.

i feel like top townread & very strong townread are pretty equitable. why do you strongly townread shaddowez?

i really struggle to like, intimately scumcase shadd i don't think scum are particularly obvious in this game i just do not townread him at all and i'm in a place where i'm looking for a bit more nuance than what he's given us

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Let me enlarge the text to make things a little clearer.

i feel like top townread & very strong townread are pretty equitable. why do you strongly townread shaddowez?

i really struggle to like, intimately scumcase shadd i don't think scum are particularly obvious in this game i just do not townread him at all and i'm in a place where i'm looking for a bit more nuance than what he's given us

Agreed that scum isnt obvious, when we went for “obvious”, lims flipped green untill CSF got outed, but tbh it kinda feels like luck more than anything.

i think we may have different opinions about what's obvious in this game tbh

psyche & save the dragons were wagoned because the playerlist went after them based on really weird jank sideways reasoning
+ fake guilty on psyche but even with that... :/

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Let me enlarge the text to make things a little clearer.

i feel like top townread & very strong townread are pretty equitable. why do you strongly townread shaddowez?

i really struggle to like, intimately scumcase shadd i don't think scum are particularly obvious in this game i just do not townread him at all and i'm in a place where i'm looking for a bit more nuance than what he's given us

6752 and repeated in 6823 says that shadow is a

weak

town read, primarily because I already have more than enough scumreads.
You flat out aren't reading what I'm posting, and that's bugging me big time.

look this game is long as hell, i'm very tired, so i'm more focused on treading water & interacting than reading posts very closely. reading posts super closely isn't my jam at the best of times, but especially not here.

if shaddowez isn't a strong townread then what are your strong reads? there's probably about 4 scum alive. can we find some players who you've got in your POE incorrectly?

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i clicked lastest post, hoping to engage with a fun game of mafia, but i'm now engaging with the trauma i've experienced at the hands of ftl

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Actually Gob and Dave could be blue vs red scum.

So the odds aren't *that* good.

yeah this one. it's hard to argue t/s in this scenario (e.g. i'm wary we could have had a red counterwagon to csf yesterday).

one thing i'll mention with enchant is that when enchant was cw'd off csf/dave, it didn't feel like enchant really had any support. the wagon didn't take off the way i'd have expected a probable misyeet wagon to take off with like as much as 5/14 of the plist being scum. it's sort of hard to speculate on vca but i guess enchant isn't at the top of my list of urgent yeets.

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The crappy part of the game was how hard it was to get your hands on telporters and cloning without starting with it

i always found buying shields 2 then saving scrap for whichever of [teleporters, hacking] first appeared was a pretty safe bet given teleporters are pretty rare. if you have hacking/cloaks/decent weapons i find you can deal with most stuff from the comfort of ur ivory tower which is my jam.

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@snivy why don't you post much as scum? as detailed a response as possible would be awesome please

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Which brings me to my next point, my unlim pool has not changed from that: pisskop, TL, and RN.

Here's the thing - everybody townreads these players. Like, not townreading those players is a point of contention (see DE70 on pisskop). CSF was a popular lim, evidenced by the fact she was limmed. Dave has been counterwagoned for several days and imo should have been flipped d3 over dragons. Snivy is also not a popular townread. I also don't really know your reasoning for these reads.

I don't take issue with "lurking", i really don't think activity is the issue with your slot. my issue is that when you are here, you're re-hashing reads which everyone already has and i haven't really seen much work to elaborate on why these reads are coming from a genuine place?

do you have any less popular reads, or any reads which you're really conflicted on which you can talk me through?

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That helps.

I just want to get the feeling you're actually TRYING to solve the game.

Currently I DON'T have that feeling from you.

kinda puts my thing a bit more eloquently

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I just did this with the T3 iso so I may have missed a quick vote unvote but I think that's more accurate anyway.

Blue Mafia

CatScratchFever: Enchant(ZZZX)->

Hu Tao

->

iamveryhappy

|

Hu Tao

||

StD

-> No Vote -> davesaz || Enchant -> davesaz

Red Mafia

Klazam:

Flavor Leaf

->

Hu Tao

-> No Vote ->

CSF

Okay, I actually can see why people think Enchant is scummy. I think this looks a lot like mafia distancing from CSF.

i'm rly conflicted on enchant because the brief wagon on enchant on d4 felt icky!!! but also exactly this thing and enchant's iso is pretty individualistic which is hard to scumread in isolation but enchant is always individualistic regardless of alignment so i don't really plan to put a tonne of stock into that.

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i'm howling

i'm a n4 cop and have an inno on gob

not actually, just, like, emotionally

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Town

Random Nurse,

Klazam

,

Flavor Leaf

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Naerys,

Psyche

, gob

Shrek

,

Save the Dragons

, shaddowez, BBmolla,

Doctor Drew

iamveryhappy

, camelCasedSnivy, davesaz, DragonEater70

bob3141

, TemporalLich, pisskop

biancospino

-- idk/null tier

furtiveglance

,

Hu Tao

,

JacksonVirgo

, Enchant

ZZZX

,

Aisa

Merlyn

Scum

I'm all caught up, AMA

It's nice to see someone else who's finding Klazam just like, very towny. Also dig the hard townread on RN.

Actually I like this list a bunch

What makes you like Naerys & shaddowez? & do you have like, a specific reason to scumread furtive?

Which part of this list do you actually like? Prior to this you said snivy was towny (listed as null here) and want to wagon me (listed as slight town here). You also aren't thrilled with either the IAVH or Hu potential wagons, listed as null and scum here. I'm sure there's more, but we'll start with that

Bringing this post back up....for posterity

It's been a while. Feel like I need to bring this back up, cleaned up (and scum/town notated) some.

Did the worst ever answer this?

fwiw i don't remember clocking this question ever so it's very probable this was in a part of d1 which i kinda glossed over.

csf's readlist was pretty spicy for a few reasons, i'm like trying to enter a younger me's head but immediately
- flavor as hard town but temporal lich was "meh" was really good given those two were dominating the game and were getting a lot of townreads, flavor is a very good scum player, this was a cool distinction.
- i liked the klazam townread because ngl i thought klazam's posting was towny. i am not pretending i am good at this game.
- pscyhe, dragons, drew are all good townleans which were not trending (iirc).
- i did not agree with the furtive or jacksonvirgo scumreads but they were not popular, easy scumreads to have.

my experience with csf has her tending to be significantly more idiosyncratic and anti-consensus as town. so seeing reads which were largely unpopular, and seeing my own less-popular reads reflected in hers, made me townbin her d1. i probably should have reevaluated harder than i did at some point.

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er yeah i'm not going to comment on that today

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chill games like ... FTL: Faster Than Light

angry react

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you joke, but...

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pisskop, enchant, stop this convo lol

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enchant has the right idea

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whats ur fav video game pisskop?

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I'm vt. Enchant should go next, after that I don't think popcorn matters anymore.

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i feel like the dave lim filled me with the greatest sense of elation and the gob flip has filled me with the greatest sense of dread i guess i should get to work on who's aligned w klaz/dave & who's aligned w csf/gob

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rn, pisskop, who's like, absolutely town from ur perspective?

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i think enchant claiming and then us ritualistically sacrificing enchant is a fairly good idea. i do think enchant makes sense as blue scum who was confident enough with gob's status to throw up a duststorm hoping to distract us - enchant is also kinda just vibing today despite the chaotic eod & the obvious benefit to claiming which is sort of making me think he might be hoping we just start looking somewhere else.

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i was hoping to kinda sit on that read for a little longer but yeeeaaahh. voice to the chorus, naerys/dragon/rn is the town core.

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if i had to guess - this is a pretty low-power setup. that role may have been incentivised to not claim, and then to check claims which seemed fake so that scum can't just rest on coasting off a fakeclaim? idk if that isn't the logic then yeah, there's a piece of the puzzle missing.

i'm guessing this game was probably balanced to 33/33/33

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will cackle if there's one scum PR per team and they're the last scumbags standing

also yas
VOTE: shaddowez

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But i am not going down without a fight so i am going to leave this here:
Snivy + dave
Enchant+ TL or gob idk i need to look at this

33% of game solved

Naerys are you an oracle or something? What is this???

I think I just got it

she guessed
snivy/dave vs. Enchant + 2 of {tl,gob} and was right on both dave & gob, plus on them opposing each other, plus that only one of tl/gob was scum
her remaining solve is snivy-red, enchant-blue
either she's 2/2, 1/2, or 0/2 (33%) but she's at least 2/4

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That math makes zero sense to me

I was referring to correctly guessing Gob + Enchant vs dave.

Also why are you voting shadow when you want to ritualistically sacrifice Enchant?

I really don't have shaddow worked out at all, I'm looking for two unpartnered scum, and I don't plan to vote Enchant until their return.


rest up, I hope you're feeling better soon

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That math makes zero sense to me

I think naerys' maths were like, basically saying that it's possible that her POE was perfect.

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Eh?

My slot claimed years ago. Don't tell me you forgot.

I forgot ya. What was the thing at the end of yesterday?

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rn, pisskop, who's like, absolutely town from ur perspective?

Enchant, naery.
You. I would say dragons too

why enchant?
why me? (though also thank you it feels nice to be seen)

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I don't care what he writes now, if we both alive at elo, i just 1vs1 him. I don't really care what anyone say now.

if i'm alive in e-lo i will snap-hammer whoever is not RN

well ok. not literally. but like, rn is outside his scumrange and has been for a minute. i've recently won alongside town!rn & failed to manipulate town!rn. d1 & d2 of this game was rn's towngame to an absolute t, in a way that i don't think he finds easy to replicate. i get that there are small points for & against certain associatives, and i do think there's like enough that if scum had to try and misyeet RN they could probably put some kinda case together

it just wouldn't be that convincing. it's not just that RN doesn't have partners in this game, rn has played this game in a way that feels antithetical to what i've seen of his scumgame. i'm so sorry for bringing it up this late in the game but i'm still flashing back to psyche's "batman" call. like that is exactly the RN town thing. and this is it!

i'm willing to hear a case out but i'd need it to be a lot more convincing than anything i've seen here. naerys & dragons are clear to me based off associatives (like 99% blue, 80%+ red which is more than i'm giving most folks) so i'll concede they're harder townreads of mine right now. but rn is town because he is just not scum.

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wait

would it pass review to have 4 goon team and a team with 2 goons and one really good pr

it's possible but like, it feels very lopsided given low town power (maybe like 40:40:20 balancing against town )

i don't think it's helpful to hunt for a potential 4p team right now i think we should try to hit one more from either team and hope that reduces the number of NKs

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i know it's multiball but this playerlist is small for 7 total scum. that's a lot of scum. i wonder if that's also why town kills were gated?

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it is a little opportunistic yeah i just don't think we have a lot of opportunities left to sort the poe

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it is a little opportunistic yeah i just don't think we have a lot of opportunities left to sort the poe

Why are we TR you again

quite genuinely I think I'm very towny in this game but I'd also love to know why folks are townreading me bc idt anyone has gone into it and I don't think I'm all that like... obvious? like there's very good reasons to townread me but I don't know if they're reasons y'all have/share

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Morning y'all

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VOTE: Random Nurse

Why are you voting RN?

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VOTE: Random

Im kind of here too. I think the final 2 maf are in [shaddow, random, snivy]

Why are you voting RN

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as we get closer to a solve I find less and less that implicates you. Its not like we lack suspects for poe

You also have been more or less on the same page as me, so its a vibe thing too

What have we been on the same page about?

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Shaddowez move feels bit opportunistic tbh
Also wouldnt mind dome vc

Oh. I missed a page or two. I thought this meant the wagon on shaddowez was opportunistic - I hadn't seen the wagon on RN yet.

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i am going through crisis of doubting absolutely everyone

Like, good advice tbh. There's only three players who I'm not getting anything out of doubting, and I only meaningfully townread one of them yesterday.

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I miscounted, haven't had enough coffee yet. I still think both scum are on my wagon already, but that's more gut and less number crunching

There's like 2 people voting you. Myself and Nasrys. Be specific here please.

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Day 6 VC 3:

shaddowez (3): Random Nurse, the worst, camelCasedSnivy
Random Nurse (2): shaddowez, pisskop
Enchant (1): Naerys

Not voting (2): DragonEater70, Enchant

Day 6 will end in (expired on 2023-10-28 21:27:00)

With 8 alive it takes 5 to eliminate and 4 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES:

okay nevermind I had my votes backwards. Would still like a bit more specificity - rn/me/snivy is a small pool to look at.

Actually where the hell is snivy

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reading Klazam and dave iso i dont believe Snivy nor RN are red scum

I'm there on RN, what's clearing you on snivy?

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They interacted with them without any hesitation. While you were mentioned only few times, which is curious.

I'd be careful with those stones you're throwing. You're not currently in my top SR, but your reasoning is becoming pretty thin

This is another like very "big if true" read can you please talk us through it?

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Actually where the hell is snivy

i did not realize its been 20 hours since I've made a post

I'd forgotten bout those posts.

Where are you at?

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For the worst, I felt they (sorry I literally couldn't find your pronouns anywhere) were too enthusiastic in their push of dave to be red scum. I felt they were towny earlier but I actually noticed that just like Enchant, they spent most of Day 3 and Day 4 voting together with CSF and Gob. Which tbh does look a bit ridiculous for scum partners to do but is not impossible at all.

Ugh this is not nearly as helpful as I thought it would be.

In the end I have to decide between Enchant, the worst, and shadow being blue scum based on reads.

thanks for checking, any pronouns are fine

this is refreshing to see in a way because I feel very self conscious about my reads this game and am a little surprised I haven't been in contention so much.

still trust my towniness to shine through and for us to hold hands and yeet the scum and all that good stuff obviously

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Lets get a general poe list from everyone and we can take out the common denominator

Ok.

Random Nurse.

is this your town list... I'm so confounded am I not seeing something here?

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i've explained why random. His claim no longer holds up

he's disappeared marginally since day three or so. And mechanically is the odd man out

The claim is a joke (sorry RN) and has been a joke since he first made it. I'm aware he's doubling down but he's not looking for towncred from doubling down. Why is that scummy? Why is it not just a personality quirk?

He's explained he has some irl ick going on at the moment so I don't doubt his disappearances are in earnest. (And a mood)

This isn't a time to vote people on flimsy bases I just don't get how you look at him and go "yes. scum."

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pretty much same place of wanting to lim shaddow and having you and naerys
pisskop is probably town and everyone else (looking at you in particular enchant) is tough to read

I feel like I should be putting the squeeze a bit harder but kind of relatable,,

Why do you have pisskop as probably town? That's a read I think is probably accurate in most timelines but is a read I'm really checking myself on right now

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no humor

you're hilarious but I think we're kind of at a pointy end of the game

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reading Klazam and dave iso i dont believe Snivy nor RN are red scum

I'm there on RN, what's clearing you on snivy?

Something about the interactions feels like Snivy isnt team red, i dont know how to explain it better. Its a gut feeling

This isn't, like, a read I've gotten to myself but it's a read I like. If we get to endgame and it's pertinent I'll try and reread snivy through that lens.

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shaddowez (4 [E-1]): Random Nurse, the worst, camelCasedSnivy, pisskop

I think regardless of shadow's alignment, this list has all scum in the game.

Actually this is silly to ask Naerys since I know she TR's me and herself, so I'm basically asking if she thinks Enchant is town.

Oh well, I'll ask someone else.

Do you agree, Ducky?

Mmm like maybe. Probably? Maybe.

I really don't vibe with the scum!RN theory and every time I think about not yeeting Enchant I flash forward to the dark timeline where Enchant is scum and we've just flushed the game down the toilet but like I just can't bring myself to put Enchant at the top of my poe either.

So more accurately I think shadd/css/pisskop is a pretty sound POE. I get why you're not clearing me. Enchant is my wildcard before RN is my wildcard.

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Enchant is weird , if the theatre is supposed to be some kind of reversed psychology then its working
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this exactly

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I dont know if its more irritating to go through the whole game randomly being everyone's top townread or to suddenly get ignored one day

I reset pretty hard today. I'm glad I was correct to be indignant about the dave lim but I was wrong on literally every other flipped scum (klazam, csf and gob were all townreads for me at the time we yeeted them). Dave was mostly someone we needed dead to solve the game.

Don't think I could possibly feel good about this game if I didn't realign my reads there tbh.

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Enchant is weird , if the theatre is supposed to be some kind of reversed psychology then its working

this exactly

You probably wonder if TL screaming in dead thread like "Wtf enchant is not dead already"

Right. Like, if you are scum (probably with gob) then you're closer to POE than your partner. I think there's a world where you go out doing an appeal to absurdity style lolclaim, shoot TL to remove cohesion (i.e. clarity that you needed to go), then try to make d6 much more of a mindscrew in the hopes of your partner slipping by undetected. Gob dying last night would have been a pretty nasty change which means you would have had to dial back the dayplay.

I don't think you bother if you're redscum.

Like this all makes sense to me. I just can't work out if it's the timeline we're actually in or if it's just something less gambity.

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Oh god I broke the quote wall in a new way. Naerys said the first thing, I said the second thing, Enchant said the third thing.

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And also, glad to see youre coming in clutch in the endgame

thank you. I always try my best

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these strings of posts probably help explain the like. mmmmmm. i feel like a lot of people who weren't for the enchant wagon were raising fairly good points & engaging well (tl, furtive, naerys). admittedly i don't really know how i feel about it given the way gob interacted with the wagon (scroll down) ---

I'm actually like

VOTE: enchant

weirdly I like this about 1% more than I like dave I don't really have any notes on either of them except confusion

enchant is impossible to sort so I'm very unconfident in an enchant wagon when we need to be confident in a wagon

Is TW somehow scum with both CSF and dave? What is going on

I will not be voting for csf because - once again - y'all are mindlessly wagoning fairly obvious town.

See - I'd usually get S/T pocketing vibes but hey, it's multiball

if we can yeet both Dave and Enchant I'll die happy. like why are smart people voting for csf rn

if we can yeet both Dave and Enchant I'll die happy. like why are smart people voting for csf rn

I could do dave too

enchant I mean youd have to sell me

actually enchant is in the same pool as TL for me

UNVOTE: TemporalLich

VOTE: Enchant

enchant is likely some sort of expendable goon that's trying to get as many mislims as possible

Town enchant?

Anyway, Im just under the impression theyre kind of trollish as a personality trait.

What I like about them is how they seem to be actively pushing the game forward with their own ideas

Town enchant?

Anyway, Im just under the impression theyre kind of trollish as a personality trait.

What I like about them is how they seem to be actively pushing the game forward with their own ideas

I feel like enchant's takes are kind of fringe/safe? where has Enchant advanced the dialogue

I hope fringe/safe makes sense outside my brain

The worst have u checked CSF voting actions? How are town reading that? Explain please

no, should I?

I think their play has been towny so I haven't dug into their vca or whatever can someone talk me through what they're seeing here?

So you are basically admitting that you are not really giving much effort into this game. Kinda different from 2309 mini you, where you helped us win smoothly.

Enchant is weird... kinda, idk I don't really think they're that scummy. They draw a lot of attention to their voting, they also openly sheeped me (although that might've been some kind of play).
So I think they're town.

I now get the feeling scum are just trying to roadblock today's vote. You probably know who I'm talking about

--- but then by the time we get to this VC i had this deep ick because enchant was simultaneously a counterwagon to
1) the wagon i'd been working against all day (csf) (oops)
2) the wagon i'd been advocating in favour of for a while (dave)

Day 4 VC 4:

Cat Scratch Fever

(6) bob3141,

furtiveglance

,

TemporalLich

, Naerys, shaddowez, pisskop
Enchant (4):

Cat Scratch Fever

,

davesaz

, the worst, camelCasedSnivy

davesaz

(3):

gob

, Enchant, BBmolla

Not voting (1): Random Nurse

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2023-10-15 09:54:00).

With 14 alive it takes 8 to eliminate and 7 to no eliminate.

MOD NOTES: I took my SAT today and my left arm is cramped af

the people pushing enchant were the two people being wagoned, myself who i townread, and snivy who i do not townread.

there were people arguing against the enchant lim but they honestly largely seemed to be arguing in earnest? hindsight on both csf/dave is helping but admittedly it kinda feels like both factions felt like enchant was expendable at that moment

this exercise makes me feel quite good about enchant actually

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We should be looking at who absolutely refused, tooth and nail, to vote for either flipped Scum.

I disagree, scum vote their partners all the time:

Looker

(ELIMINATED):

Naerys, Dannflor, Political Clout,

Save The Dragons

, BBmolla,

KatyKimFanClub

, Yimmy

Votecount 3.5

Aristeia

(3) - skitter30, Ausuka,

DragonEater70

Not voting (2) - Aristeia, Datisi

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to reach a majority.

Infinity 324

(ELIMINATED): KittyTacky,

Dunnstral

, Dannflor, Gamma Emerald

kinda yeah, i think multiball in particular makes it harder to win by just being towny af and powering through lims.

i like where nurse is going though - people who have fought against now-scum flips are worth shining a light on

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i'm on the phone, i'm like 30% present rn

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i like where nurse is going though - people who have fought against now-scum flips are worth shining a light on

So are you saying Nurse is right in pushing you?

the read is wrong but the theory has merit. i am in the poe, i wouldn't be surprised if someone views me as a misyeet prospect, i am a good player to shine a light on

So don't pay attention to associations when it comes to voting?

definitely pay attention to associatives. just keep them in context.

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myself who i townread

That made me laugh

confession: I only started laughing AFTER writing it made me laugh though.

the confession made me laugh because hard same

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I guess my theory with multiball is that scum will treat their partners roughly the same as singleball, but with the added risk that they *know* someone out there can shoot their team at any point

scum can also sound absolutely genuine and *be* absolutely genuine because they are scumhunting. but they are selectively scumhunting, where town are unconditionally scumhunting.

there's differences to singleball & differences between alignments they're just all very different to a standard x:y game of mafia

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camera pans out, we can see a duck descend the soap box

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I have no idea clue how to read Snivy. Like this is not his scum meta (he's not frozen and he's posting pretty freely) but I feel like I expect more insightful reads from town!snivy. I did a really quick associative dig and came up with a big ol' shrug. I can deep dive and come out with a case one way or the other if we want but literally nothing would surprise me and I just think I'm more interested in doing other things at the moment.

The people arguing in earnest are more important to answering your question, than to reading Enchant right now. Like in the heat of that moment it already felt like they were arguing in earnest.

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Now looking back it's an "I guess if Enchant had a partner there it's gob who's just kind of agreeing with the people who were already arguing in earnest" kinda deal which isn't exactly a silver bullet. But my feeling later that day, especially after that vc, was that Enchant didn't feel like someone was lookin out for them.

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So you think Shadow is last blue scum?

he's my best suspect for blue right now, i think enchant is my wildcard there.

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actually i'm not even sure i exclude shadd from being redscum

that's probably my best "next time i have a bunch of time" project. i'm about to play d&d so i'll be away for the better part of the evening.

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i was about to drop a preliminary readlist before i started going into more detail

idk. like shaddow's reads are really underdeveloped and i don't think there's a way to develop them in this gamestate (yeetlo-1??) which would make my read on him dramatically change? but insight from him would be pretty useful?

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bbmolla and dave is prob maf v maf

interesting.

Okay, I think the teams are

Naerys + Dave
Enchant + bbmolla

@shaddowez
@davesaz
@Enchant
@bbmolla
@naerys
@pisskop

What you guys think?

dude deadass just asked naerys, dave, enchant & molla if they thought they themselves were scum and didn't even @ me

why the heck did he @ pisskop and shaddowez???

i don't know if i'm offended or confused

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i didn't pay much attention to the @s last time i'm like belatedly offended

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not interested in dropping a readlist itt just before the day ends. I'll do my work overnight and scum can sweat over whether to kill me.

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