In post 1386, OopsieDaisy wrote:
i mean i guess i just gotta get to solving and hope you listen innit. i should sleep tho, come back after i've had a breather and see what i can do.
Show is better than tell! I'm curious why you don't really seem interested in changing halfasleep's mind
cause HA's been reading me evil for days now, I gave my counterpoints to HA and I know I can get tunneled on the person pushing me when put under pressure so I didn't push it any further.
That's fair. Considering she's been scumreading you for awhile how do you feel about him wanting to fade enchant over you?
*she's not he's.
i mean she doesn't want to fade enchant over me, i think pretty clearly now? the only reason she hasn't been more vocal about my read is because she didn't think others would go with it since i've been pretty widely townread across the game (seen in 1388). i think also fading enchant first helps argue against the enchant/ha world that has been discussed a lot, since she's preferring that lim over me.
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Post #1415 (isolation #201) » Fri May 10, 2024 3:30 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
In post 1401, Black wrote:
This vote doesn't really make me feel good about the Daisy/Enchant possibility
I don't think this vote makes a lot of sense in an Enchant/HA world
sadly the only argument i have against this world is meta. last year i played a game as scum with el and my approach to the slot this game has been quite different to how i approached the slot then. in mini norm 2307 i spent a hell of a lot of effort curating this conditional scumread on el based on another flip, and my approach this game in comparison would've been way lazier. like the way i've been playing this game with the el/enchant slot isn't how you win a game as a scumteam, and it'd be a poor performance from us if we are scum together imo.
In post 1386, OopsieDaisy wrote:
i mean i guess i just gotta get to solving and hope you listen innit. i should sleep tho, come back after i've had a breather and see what i can do.
Show is better than tell! I'm curious why you don't really seem interested in changing halfasleep's mind
cause HA's been reading me evil for days now, I gave my counterpoints to HA and I know I can get tunneled on the person pushing me when put under pressure so I didn't push it any further.
That's fair. Considering she's been scumreading you for awhile how do you feel about him wanting to fade enchant over you?
*she's not he's.
i mean she doesn't want to fade enchant over me, i think pretty clearly now? the only reason she hasn't been more vocal about my read is because she didn't think others would go with it since i've been pretty widely townread across the game (seen in 1388). i think also fading enchant first helps argue against the enchant/ha world that has been discussed a lot, since she's preferring that lim over me.
i would still be happy to lim enchant first if that's where i could get a consensus. is there a world where you vote enchant over me?
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Post #1424 (isolation #204) » Fri May 10, 2024 5:28 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
i think the world i'm most concerned about now having a reread is ketchup/HA. ketchup leapt to HA's defence at the eod last night despite knowing that HA can look rly towny as scum, and ketchup's 1356 just serves to egg on black's paranoia on my slot.
all 3 ha worlds exist tho. HA/Black are moving mad right now and HA/enchant makes sense with HA's framing of me being with Enchant.
In post 24, OopsieDaisy wrote:
i'll save confusion for now by saying i'm definitely voting for Black on day 1
why not follow through?
cause that was a joke post and there were much scummier slots in the game by the end of the day.
unless you mean right at that moment and that was just cause i didn't fancy using votes at the start of the game cause it felt against the spirit of the setup
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Post #1481 (isolation #209) » Sun May 12, 2024 3:50 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
In post 1479, Black wrote:
I will be voting ketchup out of pure annoyance. I don't really care if it loses the game
I'd ask for you to move to HA cause ketchup/HA is a world but i think ketchup/enchant is a world and to others i can see how ketchup/me makes sense too.
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Post #1486 (isolation #211) » Sun May 12, 2024 3:55 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
well ketchup could be mafia tbh, it's a better vote than me, but I still believe HA is a better vote cause it's a more probable mafia flip considering everyone in the game bar imag for vig/sk reasons makes sense with HA as a partner.
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Post #1488 (isolation #212) » Sun May 12, 2024 3:56 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
so yea black im pushing for HA. i think unless ketchup/enchant as a mafia pairing are teaming up to just tilt you off the face of the earth (but make such enemies with you and guarantee a vote there? feels like a weird gameplan) then HA is just mafia in every world I see.
In post 1488, OopsieDaisy wrote:
so yea black im pushing for HA. i think unless ketchup/enchant as a mafia pairing are teaming up to just tilt you off the face of the earth (but make such enemies with you and guarantee a vote there? feels like a weird gameplan) then HA is just mafia in every world I see.
Would you be down to go Enchant instead?
No lmao. I want HA as the vote. Now that I've sorted away Ketchup/Enchant based on their strategy with you the three worlds from my POV are HA/Enchant, HA/Ketchup or HA/You. I think the final world is unlikely cause I tr you so hard but it exists, I think we're more likely looking at HA/Enchant or HA/Ketchup. Voting Enchant just loses to HA/Ketchup and I'm not seeing anything that disproves that world.
it's important we're unified on a vote with a majority before we vote fast night otherwise scum just win, so i ain't voting for it until we've got 3 on HA.
ketchup not wanting an enchant vote is weird for the ketchup/HA world tho like they'd just get a free win through that vote.
yeah i think we need to navigate this together. If OD scum, voting her works. If OD town, we need to vote HA because of her refusing to budge. So we need to find which is town. i think getting black through today is too hard
sorry for quote lol
i don't think enchant is gonna find me as town with their current mentality.
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Post #1553 (isolation #226) » Sun May 12, 2024 5:51 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
it's not me and ketchup, cause why does ketchup not just take the free enchant vote.
i think enchant's actions over the past couple pages have clear motivation if partnered with HA and muddied motives if with me (there's technically justification for the turn but why? just bink in the HA vote and we win), so I'd argue HA more likely with Enchant over me.
black's actions towards me today do not make sense if partnered imo. sudden turn onto me to pair up with HA and pile hella pressure onto my slot, into fading away from that and deciding to sheep me for no reason bar likability and a bit of AtE. there's no reason to switch when several worlds like me/HA or me/enchant had already been proposed. you take the free bus and win the game the following day based on those pairings.
if it's me and HA we can just get HA out today anyways and we can tackle that possibility tomozzles.
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Post #1556 (isolation #227) » Sun May 12, 2024 5:59 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
like i'm sorry but i think the only person you can argue i'm scum with today is halfasleep, whereas halfasleep can be scum with enchant too. it's just a better vote.
In post 1550, Black wrote:
I'm down to vote HA or Daisy. Just let me know what ya'll decide
whatttttttttttt
sry ily
ily2, think i need to reread the game and find why HA & I don't exist cause I know we don't but today there isn't any evidence to back me up. aaaaaaaa.
ok first point before i go. why do halfasleep & I decide to bus each other today, considering that you came in with the ha/me theory and we're now the frontrunner for possible mafia teams? we do not get the credit for making a push on each other happen, you do. prolonging the game is a thing but the way it's looking i lose that battle tomorrow and so does she, so wouldn't we attempt to start some sort of wagon elsewhere? this 1v1 does not benefit HA or me if we're both scum, we would just lose tomorrow.
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Post #1560 (isolation #229) » Sun May 12, 2024 6:22 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
like ketchup was a free push cause of egging on your paranoia if i wanted to go that route, i could've just chucked my townread of you out of the window when fighting your push and instead turned on you (with ketchup/enchant as support). why do I push HA through all of that if I'm scum with her?
I am a cop, and I have a guilty on Cat Scratch Fever
big if true. idk if you're the kinda player to lie about that but i'd vote there if you genuinely have one.
I still don’t like this post. Feels like Daisy was just showing support for the sake of showing support. For you should obviously vote CSF if there is a redcheck. Why feel the need to say you’d vote there bar making yourself look good?
I just wanted to say lol, and I hadn't yet sorted through whether lying about a cop check would be good to do as scum there so I added those thoughts in.
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Post #1605 (isolation #239) » Mon May 13, 2024 2:34 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
But yea I was tryna look good, cause looking good is important for my game regardless of my alignment. I'm just more comfortable playing whilst townread vs being scumread.
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Post #1606 (isolation #240) » Mon May 13, 2024 2:37 am
Postby OopsieDaisy »
Probably why this is the longest I've ever survived in a mafia game lol. Usually mafia just pop me night 1/2 if I'm town, and if mafia I falter once I show a lack of progression once I've found a comfy spot for myself.
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Post #1623 (isolation #247) » Mon May 13, 2024 12:24 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
i can do enchant if it means i don't die tonight, happy to prove the ha/daisy world doesn't exist through that, but smth tells me the other 3 don't want that lmao
In post 1623, OopsieDaisy wrote:
i can do enchant if it means i don't die tonight, happy to prove the ha/daisy world doesn't exist through that, but smth tells me the other 3 don't want that lmao
what happened to halfasleep till you die mentality
i figured out it was just HA/enchant + you've put me in a position where i don't really get to choose the lim i want, i just have to vote on any alternative
you had the chance to join me and black on dunking enchant for a free win and you didn't take it, so no i don't really fear that possibility much anymore.
In post 1630, OopsieDaisy wrote:
and like, again can i afford to fear that possibility anyways?
I made it clear I’m going to vote one of you two, why not try change my mind (and the thread‘s mind) to get us to pivot onto lockscum (HA from your POV) rather than town(if you’re town)?
Ketchup have you read the fucking thread. I tried so hard a couple days ago to make that happen, SO hard, and everything just reverted back to me getting voted again. You're too deep in Enchant's pocket and Black's paranoia on my slot just dooms me.
Like HA/me doesn't even make sense with the way I've played today just deathtunneling on my partner for no good reason but none of you care about that fact. It's just wifom apparently. So like, idk what I'm expected to do here to convince you, or Black.
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Post #1639 (isolation #253) » Mon May 13, 2024 9:32 pm
Postby OopsieDaisy »
Like if I'm scum here the moment black turns on me I turn on her we turn it into a 1v1 and with the support of you (who was hunting for a black lim) I just win with HA there.
In post 1630, OopsieDaisy wrote:
and like, again can i afford to fear that possibility anyways?
I made it clear I’m going to vote one of you two, why not try change my mind (and the thread‘s mind) to get us to pivot onto lockscum (HA from your POV) rather than town(if you’re town)?
Ketchup have you read the fucking thread. I tried so hard a couple days ago to make that happen, SO hard, and everything just reverted back to me getting voted again. You're too deep in Enchant's pocket and Black's paranoia on my slot just dooms me.
Like HA/me doesn't even make sense with the way I've played today just deathtunneling on my partner for no good reason but none of you care about that fact. It's just wifom apparently. So like, idk what I'm expected to do here to convince you, or Black.
I think everyone in the you/HA/Black trio has deathtunneled on their partner at this point
yea that's cause it's HA/enchant lmao but you can't see that cause your townread there blinds you to the possibility for some reason.
In post 1639, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Like if I'm scum here the moment black turns on me I turn on her we turn it into a 1v1 and with the support of you (who was hunting for a black lim) I just win with HA there.
maybe true, but skipping the lines of logic where you get exposed for your strong townread on black dissipating in seconds
the same argument can be used against black, who's read progression on me turned immensely quickly from the start of the day as well. i pointed that out myself lemme find the post.
In post 1639, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Like if I'm scum here the moment black turns on me I turn on her we turn it into a 1v1 and with the support of you (who was hunting for a black lim) I just win with HA there.
maybe true, but skipping the lines of logic where you get exposed for your strong townread on black dissipating in seconds
the same argument can be used against black, who's read progression on me turned immensely quickly from the start of the day as well. i pointed that out myself lemme find the post.
true, but she brought that on seemingly out of nowhere, whereas you jumping on something would be opportunist
i guess but surely someone turning on you out of nowhere is like, the best motivation for a read to turn sideways? i feel like that's a believable progression.
In post 1357, OopsieDaisy wrote:
nah it's not about that tho, the progression from must lim ketchup to can we vote daisy has been so quick
^^^^
yet you do not go after black. Why?
i suppose like you with enchant i just strongly believe black is town in this game. going right back to the ming/br wagon situation i still believe black is town for being the one to shift the wagons, i think the pushes against black have been rubbish and not had great logic behind em, and i don't see scum!black choosing to go the route of: must lim ketchup -> turn onto daisy -> actually wait daisy's the player i personally like the most so i'm gonna sheep her -> actually nah she can go in the bin. it's just messy if scum innit, and if scum the only partner is HA from my POV.
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