OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

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Votecount 6.1

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  CommKnight
  
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  Realeo
  
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  Vedith
  
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  RadiantCowbells
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  kmd4390
  
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  havingfitz
  
  
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  Not Voting
  - Realeo, havingfitz, CommKnight, kmd4390, RadiantCowbells
  
  With
  6
  alive, it's
  4
  to lynch.
  Deadline in
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  (July 10^th).
  
  
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[havingfitz]

That said: Fitz being willing to vote KMD strongly suggests that I'm wrong about something here.

Uh....I was voting him most of yesterday iirc.

[Kmd4390]

No fuck you if you're town I don't care what you have to say.

Then you deserve to lose.

Can we not do this? There's still a chance you're both town and if that's the case we need you two on the same page pretty desperately.

That being said, realeo's post quoted above doesn't sound like town talking to hypo town.

I'm confused as fuck because I don't have a single solid town read.

I actually think the wolves might be havingfitz/radiant or havingfitz/realeo. Mafia I'm thinking vedith or comm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I would really like the last mafia to claim.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you're mafia and you're not Vedith then Vedith is 100% werewolf and we're not going to be able to lynch him today without your claim.

[Realeo]

the Dunn/Vedith associatives have been super strong since the start of the game.

Wait. How?

[RadiantCowbells]

I have zero motivation to explain things to you so you can figure it out yourself.

[Realeo]

I mean, you would notice that neither of Trihexa/Firescreamer/Umlaut interacted with Dunn. Only Vedith did.

[RadiantCowbells]

Scum don't not interact with scumpartners.

[Realeo]

True.

So for you, it's either Dunn bus Gamma (and Gamma bus back) or Vedith bus Dunn.

[RadiantCowbells]

Realeo is not mafia.
Kmd is super super long shot mafia but really don't think so.
Commknight could still be mafia. I think it's less likely but it's possible.
Fitz is like ehh I could see it.
Vedith everything works out.

That said if Vedith is mafia then unless I'm wrong about Comm the werewolves are Kmd/Fitz. And I could see them having been crossvoting yesterday and they haven't actually pushed each other today so it's still possible but
I'm feeling like Vedith is werewolf and one of his long time defenders (you or fitz) is the other werewolf atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've flip flopped but I think Vedith's currently play is more WW indicative than anything else because he's essentially asking me to get another wagon going but if he was mafia he really needs to lynch werewolves.
Whereas WW can lynch anything that's not them and win the day phase so he'd be fine with having me push someone else and sheeping it if it's not his buddy.
Dunnstral clearly correctly had me as town based on their play around me and I think Vedith would have followed that read at least to the point of not autovoting me in this day phase.

I also think it's sort of obvious in general that I'm town and I bluntly think that you're bad enough to make that mistake as town but I question whether Vedith is.

I note that besides you two everyone else in game is treating me like I'm at least potentially town and am a strong townread from KMD/Comm (correct me if I'm wrong)

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm wondering if KMD might actually be mafia who just went super ballsy in terms of putting themselves into the kill pool, but there's no way they'd ever claim.

[Realeo]

There is something that always bothers me.

Why take Hellfire missile out of the kill list (and replace me with Flubber and Realeo) but not kmd.

[RadiantCowbells]

If we had lynched Vedith yesterday like I wanted to, we would basically just win the game here.
If he's werewolf, we'd have 2 chances at lynching werewolves today.

If he was mafia, I would have never touched Dunnstral today and we'd have a clear picture that werewolves are in the rest of you, most likely kmd/fitz distancing excessively but possibly something weird that I haven't specifically looked at.

I decided that in the end lynching Vedith was too big of a risk because I thought there was a decent enough chance that he was mafia and you would deathtunnel me or Dunnstral if he ended up flipping mafia, which as it happened would have just lead to a loss. So we're basically fucked now in terms of associatives in the remaining scum and you're making it impossible to pressure Vedith enough to get a claim from the slot.

There is something that always bothers me.

Why take Hellfire missile out of the kill list (and replace me with Flubber and Realeo) but not kmd.

If you think that I'm mafia the #1 play today would be to sheep the hell out of me because I would be the only one dealing with today from an informed perspective.
This question is utterly irrelevant in terms of determining if I'm a werewolf because I wouldn't control the kill list. Hellfire was removed because he was no longer a top townread but he was still obvtown.

[Realeo]

No. That's not the question.

WHy Flubber?

[Kmd4390]

I actually think the wolves might be havingfitz/radiant or havingfitz/realeo. 

werewolves are Kmd/Fitz. And I could see them having been crossvoting yesterday and they haven't actually pushed each other today

Pretty sure my point of view makes it obvious that I like a havingfitz lynch today. Although if vedith doesn't claim mafia I'd go there too because I still believe that trihexa post isn't one that town makes.

 am a strong townread from KMD/Comm (correct me if I'm wrong)

Did you read my post?

I don't have a single solid town read.

I'm wondering if KMD might actually be mafia who just went super ballsy in terms of putting themselves into the kill pool, but there's no way they'd ever claim.

By ballsy do you mean stupid?

[RadiantCowbells]

If you think that Comm is mafia, it's possible that he was thrown in
A point against KMD being mafia is that I doubt they fully switched the pool while keeping KMD because if he switched into double werewolves he was autodead, and single werewolf was very likely to die.

Okay Kmd. What I remembered was you saying that we had to work together, not that specific line. I did not go back and verify what your precise thoughts were.

If Vedith is werewolf, who do you think his buddy is?

[Kmd4390]

I'd have to ISO him, but knee jerk answer is either havingfitz or realeo with comm as mafia. So you'd be likely town in that scenario.

[RadiantCowbells]

What's your read on Realeo and who would/could he be scum with?
Do you think there's a possibility of Comm being Werewolf?

[RadiantCowbells]

Since you have no solid townreads I'm assuming you see at least some scumteam possibilities involving those two.

[Kmd4390]

I haven't thought of associatives with realeo. He's the closest thing I have to a town read.

Comm as werewolf, I dunno. Anything is possible I suppose. I'm not leaning that way though.

[RadiantCowbells]

I thought you literally just said that his post towards me was something that you would consider not looking like town

[RadiantCowbells]

No fuck you if you're town I don't care what you have to say.

Then you deserve to lose.

Can we not do this? There's still a chance you're both town and if that's the case we need you two on the same page pretty desperately.

That being said, realeo's post quoted above doesn't sound like town talking to hypo town.

I'm confused as fuck because I don't have a single solid town read.

I actually think the wolves might be havingfitz/radiant or havingfitz/realeo. Mafia I'm thinking vedith or comm.

From where I'm standing you claiming to not have townreads then to have no specific scumteam thoughts on Realeo and not having really thought through Comm much is weird at best.
If you're town, can I get a full readslist and clarifications on what your reads are and what you're thinking for scumteams?

[Kmd4390]

I thought you literally just said that his post towards me was something that you would consider not looking like town

Correct.

If you're town, can I get a full readslist and clarifications on what your reads are and what you're thinking for scumteams?

Mafia- Vedith or Comm
Werewolf- havingfitz and realeo or radiant