Succession Mafia II: OVER!

[Mr. Flay]

Fourth Vote Count of Day Three:

Katsuki - 6 (DrippingGoofball, bvoigt, Nobody Special, Battousai, Lady Lambdadelta, Cobblerfone)
DrippingGoofball - 3 (populartajo, Katsuki, Tanarin)
Seraphim - 2 (Magister Ludi, Yosarian2)
Tanarin - 2 (ooba, Seraphim)
Cobblerfone - 1 (Flameaxe)
populartajo - 1 (Herodotus)

Not Voting: Bunnylover, Fritzler, springlullaby, xvart, Zdenek

With 20 voters present, it will take 11 votes to lynch.

[xvart]

VOTE: katsuki

[Kinetic]

For everyone who doesn't believe me:

DGB is Albert's recruit.

Neither of Pop or Kat are my recruits.

You're not going to listen to me and lynch one of them. Maybe when you realize DGB is taking you on a caper you'll realize I've been telling you the truth.

[bvoigt]

If there was N0 recruiting, then Katsuki or tajo is still scum.

I can't decide which, though.

Tajo's pretty contaminated upon re-reading.

Can I have opinions from the rest of you, regarding tajo vs. Katsuki?

I can't see the forest from the trees. One of these two is scum. Maybe even both.

I think tajo is town, but can't really pinpoint an exact reason.

Question for all: who has a town read on DGB and why?

I do. One reason is gut-- it doesn't make sense for scum to play the way she has. I also see the post I quoted here as a towntell. And her case on Katsuki is actually pretty reasonable.

[Cobblerfone]

1. Why do you think I am a recruit?
2. And if I were a recruit, whose do you think I would be, and why?

1. Because you were focusing on lynching a particular cult instead of just recruits.
2. This doesn't really matter. There's WIFOM both ways since you were focusing on Kinetic, and Albert claimed to have got a guilty read on you.

[Bunnylover]

I find it highly unlikely that cobbler was recruited N0, given his play (from what I have seen from other games) and all. Plus other players availiable for recruiting.
Considering all the pressure he received D1, I doubt he was recruited thereafter.

As such, your vote would be much better served on DGB, who's constant rhetoric is

"blah blah Kinetic blah so I can't possibly be skum!"

, and

"town are all idiots, you all suck"

. Her play this game is near identical to the later stages of OOT mafia, where she was scum.

Oops. When reading your ISO when I asked the question I misread Cobbler and Chrono so I thought there was a blatant contradiction with what you were saying.

Well, considering that it's almost 90% certain that someone tried to cult recruit Andrius N1 and FAILED, it's not likely.

Huh?

Oh I'm not listening to him.
I don't believe him.
Most of my post are "Lets say I believe you" situation.
Too bad I don't.

What's the point of "let's say I believe you" questions when you don't believe him at all?

Awaiting votecount, then I'll be voting Katsuki. Bunnylover makes a good lynch, too.

So I should just let Kinetic go unharm?

[Katsuki]

Katsuki, what is your profession in this game?

Same as you.

And I think you've been serving yourself this game rather than your customers.

I'll be busy the next day or two, so no guarentees as to activity.

[Yosarian2]

Hey, just got back from the holiday weekend.

Looks like the first thing to do is ISO read Katsuki.

[Yosarian2]

Well, that was remarkably easy to do.

Her play for the entire first month of the game was to lurk and keep her vote on me for no reason (short of a really lame WIFOM one). The only time she stopped voting for me was at the end of day 1 when she moved her vote for the townie Chrono, for no reason at all. She had listed him as a suspect earlier, but never gave any reason for it at all. Then she moves it back to me, then to Xvart for a weak reason ("making a vig list is anti-town"), and then back to Chono. She dosn't give a good reason for any of these votes. Then at the start of day 2, without even commenting on the mislynch, she goes right back to voting me for no reason, and keeps that vote on until June 28th. She never commented on the Poro scum lynch at all.

Then, she moved her vote to DGB without really giving a reason for that (only reason she gave was some weak comment about he DGB/cult recruiter interactions, without explaining what that meant or how it made DGB scum). She's defended Cobbler, but otherwise really not commented on most of the people in the game.

All in all, very weak, scummy, active-lurker play, and a series of bad, scummy votes with bad reasons. Yeah, she looks like likely scum to me at this point.

unvote

Vote:Katsuki

[Magister Ludi]

Yosarian, the fact I consider you more probably town than anyone in the game besides Herod I'd like to know your thoughts. I have a hard time seeing DGB as town here, and Katsuki is pushing heavy against DGB.

My vote will probably wind up on DGB because this Seraphim wagon is going nowhere (for unknown reasons). Do you think DGB is not cult recruited scum as this stage?

Also, what is your read on Springlullaby and Flameaxe, two other players I consider highly likely cult recruit.

[Yosarian2]

Yosarian, the fact I consider you more probably town than anyone in the game besides Herod I'd like to know your thoughts. I have a hard time seeing DGB as town here, and Katsuki is pushing heavy against DGB.

My vote will probably wind up on DGB because this Seraphim wagon is going nowhere (for unknown reasons). Do you think DGB is not cult recruited scum as this stage?

Eh. None of DGB's play so far seems especially scummy to me; I could see her doing everything she's done as town.

I can say that she probably was not recruited night zero, I can almost guarentee she was town day 1. She was also probably not last night, since the scum probably went for power roles last night, and since she was attacked pretty significantly yesterday. It is possible could have been a night 1 recruit, but that's the only time I can see her being recruited.

I'm basically ignoring the Kinetic claims at this point.

To sum up, I think she's more likely town then scum at this point.

Also, what is your read on Springlullaby and Flameaxe, two other players I consider highly likely cult recruit.

I don't have a problem with Flameaxe's play. The only thing that's really notable about Flameaxe is a possible connection today with Seraphim; if Seraphem is currently a cult recruit, then Flameaxe is a possible partner; he defended Seraphem a few times, and when I asked him a question about that defense, he didn't (yet) answer me. None of Flameaxe's posts look independently scummy to me, though; in general, I get a good vibe from him, and most of his thought processes make a lot of sense to me. If Seraphin flips scum, I want to take another look at Flameaxe, but unless and until that happens he's not high on my list of suspects.

Springlullaby, I'm not as happy about. She isn't voting anyone right now, and hasn't really done any scumhunting on day 3 at all. Her voting record before that isn't great either; all game, she's voted you, me, TheAdmeral, and Tanarin. Out of those 4, the only vote that I like is Tanarin, for having a "bad ISO", and that's kind of a pot/kettle thing anyway. I could see her as possible scum.

[Magister Ludi]

heh, maybe I'm reading DGB wrong then.

Unvote

Rereading to do.

[Magister Ludi]

I'll also read the current low posters in this game, zdenek and Tanarin. I think lurking is especially efficent in a game like this, where saying as little as possible from day to day (if recruited) to prevent yourself from contradiction is a valid strategy.

Zdenek 2011-07-03 13:09:08 1 day 13 hours 35
Tanarin 2011-07-01 21:24:46 3 days 5 hours 32

[DrippingGoofball]

I'll also read the current low posters in this game, zdenek and Tanarin. I think lurking is especially efficent in a game like this, where saying as little as possible from day to day (if recruited) to prevent yourself from contradiction is a valid strategy.

Zdenek 2011-07-03 13:09:08 1 day 13 hours 35
Tanarin 2011-07-01 21:24:46 3 days 5 hours 32

A very, very good point indeed.

[populartajo]

Third Vote Count of Day Three:

Katsuki - 4 (DrippingGoofball, bvoigt, Nobody Special, Battousai)
Seraphim - 3 (Lady Lambdadelta, Magister Ludi, Yosarian2)
DrippingGoofball - 3 (populartajo, Katsuki, Tanarin)
Cobblerfone - 1 (Flameaxe)
Tanarin - 1 (ooba)
populartajo - 1 (Herodotus)
springlullaby - 1 (Cobblerfone)
bunnylover - 1 (Seraphim)

Not Voting: Bunnylover, Fritzler, springlullaby, xvart, Zdenek

With 20 voters present, it will take 11 votes to lynch.

WAIT, DGB, WHY ISNT TANARIN SCUM?

MMMMM

[ooba]

Kinetic

Porochaz
Katsuki
????

ABR

DGB
Tanarin
????

Note: ???? could mean a failed recruit too

Possibles: Tajo, Frtiz, LL, Zdenek, Flameaxe

Unrecruite

Hero, ML, Yos, Spring, BunnyLover, Cobbler, NS, Batt, bvoigt, Seraphim, xvart

I guess voting Kat is in our best interests today.

Unvote. Vote: Kat

However DGB screams inside info plus I don't like her defense of obv-recruit Tanarin. Something to look into tomorrow ..

[DrippingGoofball]

WAIT, DGB, WHY ISNT TANARIN SCUM?

MMMMM

Tanarin may be an ABR opportunist. I'm much more certain that you and Katsuki are Kinetic recruits.

[DrippingGoofball]

However DGB screams inside info plus I don't like her defense of obv-recruit Tanarin. Something to look into tomorrow ..

I call it now

Ooba and Tanarin are ABR recruits.

Read that sentence from ooba and tell me I'm wrong.

[populartajo]

WAIT, DGB, WHY ISNT TANARIN SCUM?

MMMMM

Tanarin may be an ABR opportunist. I'm much more certain that you and Katsuki are Kinetic recruits.

last time I heard it was just one of us.....

Okay, lets take a different approach to prove DGBscum.

Unvote Vote: Tanarin.

also lol at oobascum, he is painfully obvious town.

[DrippingGoofball]

Okay, lets take a different approach to prove DGBscum.

Unvote Vote: Tanarin.

also lol at oobascum, he is painfully obvious town.

Wait. Are you

bus'ing

Tanarin?

Are you an

ABR

recruit?

[populartajo]

If you EVEN BOTHER TO read my iso, Im

"bussing"

Tanarin since day 1 which would mean we were both recruited in night 0, so LOLFAIL, TRY AGAIN, THX FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION.

I think its more likely you are misteriously forgetting to attack Tanarin in your "ONE OF KATSUKI-TAJO IS SCUM CUZ THEY ARE ATTACKING ME" when Tanarin is also voting for you.

[Fritzler]

Maybe you tried to bus someone, and then recruit them? Hmmmmmmmm

[populartajo]

In that case I would have recruited Yosarian or even Herodotus instead of a lame player like Tanarin.

Hmmmmmm

[DrippingGoofball]

I think its more likely you are misteriously forgetting to attack Tanarin in your "ONE OF KATSUKI-TAJO IS SCUM CUZ THEY ARE ATTACKING ME" when Tanarin is also voting for you.

Tanarin is an opportunist, it doesn't look like he's taking orders from Kinetic, like Katsuki and you, do.

[populartajo]

how do you make that diferentiation? Im interested.