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Post Post #2450 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:33 am

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In post 2446, Ankamius wrote:Do you understand how the gamestate looks in this situation as town who is townreading the one on the chopping block?


This was to Ether, by the way.
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Post Post #2451 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:35 am

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can someone who isnt hiplop pitch me reasons for why hiplop might be town? like really blunt and easy to understand reasons. and no this isnt an invitation for people who are screaming about him being scum to scream about him being scum still ty~~
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Post Post #2452 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:39 am

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My reasons haven't changed since the last time I told you, Gork.
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Post Post #2453 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:40 am

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In post 2450, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2446, Ankamius wrote:Do you understand how the gamestate looks in this situation as town who is townreading the one on the chopping block?


This was to Ether, by the way.

Apparently I don't. How does it look?

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Post Post #2454 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:41 am

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In post 1947, Ankamius wrote:Hiplop because of tone, mainly.
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Post Post #2455 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:43 am

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In post 2452, Ankamius wrote:My reasons haven't changed since the last time I told you, Gork.
do you have stronger reasons than that? do you take all of his recent posting and still feel the same way based solely on tone?
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Post Post #2456 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:44 am

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In post 2453, Scatterplot wrote:
In post 2450, Ankamius wrote:
In post 2446, Ankamius wrote:Do you understand how the gamestate looks in this situation as town who is townreading the one on the chopping block?


This was to Ether, by the way.

Apparently I don't. How does it look?

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It means that unless there's a lucky doctor save within the next two nights, this current path directly ends in a town defeat.

Either scum are hanging back while town hangs itself or they're directly manipulating events. I think it's the latter specifically because it was RC and Spiffeh who died N2 and N3; the two people least likely to be manipulated in the game while also being between very difficult and impossible to mislynch.
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Post Post #2457 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:49 am

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also ank, what games do you have experience with hiplop with that are making you feel so confident in your toneread?
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Post Post #2458 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:49 am

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In post 2455, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2452, Ankamius wrote:My reasons haven't changed since the last time I told you, Gork.
do you have stronger reasons than that? do you take all of his recent posting and still feel the same way based solely on tone?


Something tells me that the way he deflated after being shown that I'm not a cop clear and thus his assumptions are wrong isn't a scum response. It's hard to quantify why, but it's along the vein of it would be easy for him to ride the basic tone at least and still be aggressively wrong since both Antihero and I recently saw him do it as town.
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Post Post #2459 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:51 am

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In post 2457, Gorkington wrote:also ank, what games do you have experience with hiplop with that are making you feel so confident in your toneread?


Alfred Hitchcock is the most recent one. His aggressiveness especially is hitting a lot of the same notes.
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Post Post #2460 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:51 am

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Could you speak in more specifics than that?

Post 1947, Ankamius wrote:Town:
Antihero because duh.
Hiplop because of tone, mainly.
Gork because the attack on me is blatantly town.

Rest:
Wisdom and Scatterplot are question marks; I have a spotty read accuracy on Wisdom and I've never played with either head of Scatterplot before; neither slot has given me any alignment impressions either way.
Ranger is down to null. The attack on me is either town who is just deathtunneling all game or scum who is using it as an excuse to not do anything. It's nearly impossible to tell and the fact that there's very little in her ISO when you remove me from it doesn't help anything.
Expedience is leaning town; his vote on Firebringer at the end of the day doesn't look like bussing and he was hesitant to join the Sakura/Titus wagon for a lot of day 2. It's an awkward scum agenda to take when he's this consistently under pressure. The reason he's not straight town is because of the last second Titus vote.
Spiffeh read is on hold until he can quantify his read on me. My paranoia on him is mainly from how vague he is with defending me and I'm well aware that this is a blind spot of mine. I have no idea what the differences between his town and scum game are otherwise, so.
PhantomCobalt is null-scum. I can't shake that I was onto something with him despite being wrong on Sakura. The read itself feel very distant, but then again I can't even remember anything he's done in a really long time.

Ranger, Expedience and I are your only non-town reads here who haven't been cleared or killed. Expedience is a lurker. Ranger is generally fairly townread, but also pretty blatantly anti-establishment and hates these awful lynches we keep making. My slot has spent most of the game wishing it were dead, and at the end of Day 3 every single player in the game was either scumreading us or willing to compromise on us.

So who are the masterminds?

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Post Post #2461 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:53 am

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Ank has resorted to fear mongering now
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Post Post #2462 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:54 am

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i hope youre town ether. :c
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Post Post #2463 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:55 am

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Wisdom would make the most sense with your slot as the secondary, which leaves you as PoE.
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Post Post #2464 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:56 am

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Wisdom is clear, good try
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Post Post #2465 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:57 am

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If you actually read what I stated, you would have seen that I discounted that in the same post.
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Post Post #2466 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:58 am

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Gorkington wrote:i hope youre town ether. :c
Ether's so town she's absorbed the neighbouring villages.

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Post Post #2467 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:58 am

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Wisdom wrote:So Ank is the other scum. Solved?
Unfortunately not.
I'm just going to be blunt. I don't care if we're outing the doctors at this point, since town POE should give us the scum anyway and the doctors can't exactly protect each other.

Ankamius 'crumbed doctor hard in twilight yesterday.
I didn't realize it at the time, but Ankamius also hard-crumbed doctor in D2's twilight, too.

The other doctor I've had a guess as being Scatterplot.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. But I'm pretty sure of this.

Given my townreads (Antihero is town, Gorkington is town, you as town), that would leave Expedience and hiplop.

I do recognize how Expedience has seemed town in the game. But if my assumption about Scatterplot and Ankamius is correct, then the options are: either I'm wrong about a much stronger townread (my read on you three), or it's him.
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Post Post #2468 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 8:59 am

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Post Post #2469 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:01 am

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The crumbs mean nothing to me as they could be in preparation to fakeclaim (yes, I saw them too). I'd like to see a CC if there's one.
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Post Post #2470 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:03 am

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VOTE: ranger
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Post Post #2471 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:03 am

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So would I.
But if there's no CC, then I'm taking the claim as legitimate.
(I also see no reason to fakeclaim, given it would be suicidal.)
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Post Post #2472 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:05 am

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Not if they did it later. You're right that forcing them to do it now is good.
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Post Post #2473 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:05 am

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fine

I was really hoping I could somehow turn this around without actually revealing, but now there's too much WIFOM in the air now that ranger's revealed it for me to not do it anymore. I never actually intentionally crumbed doctor, though. My post about you having a 0% chance of dying is because it would legitimately be an awful idea to kill you when you're one of the most predictable players in the game up to that point.

Night 1: Hiplop
Night 2: Wisdom
Night 3: Wisdom

It should be pretty obvious to anyone who's paying attention why I was protecting Wisdom, but my hiplop protect was because I wanted to protect someone who I thought was town, was making waves, and was unlikely to draw the other protect.
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Post Post #2474 (ISO) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:05 am

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And now it should be really fucking obvious why I've been WKing hiplop today.

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