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[Creature]

I remember TAZ mafia

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Kokichi

[Celestial Coordinates]

CC, the reason some of our recent posts may have been self-contradictory is because Ari has started to post again. I, BulletNLynchproof, posted for the entirety for Days 2-4 (except for Ari’s slip), but now I’m on V/LA and at the same time Ari is less busy.

The one thing we both agree on is Kokichi being the last scum, but I’m not as convinced as much as he is, or at least as much as he displayed in the thread.

Also Not_Mafia is still not mafia

???

If you’re convinced it’s not NM and you’re not convinced it’s Kokichi, then the only other possibility is Creature and I really doubt he posts this good as scum, without being coached, because there is no one else to suspect, because Gamma and us are clear.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Pretty confident unless she learned to copy her town meta as scum which seems out of her range.

Okay, I like this post. Had you not answered my question, I would have powerlynched you.

[Celestial Coordinates]

I think BB locktowning Creature is town indicative of Creature, because scum are more concerned with

how they look towards their buddies vs townies

Can you explain this please?

Sure, in fact this is related to one of the strongest scumtells I have been developing:

I feel like such extreme stances when scum hard townread someone generally scummy, make that scummy person more likely to be town, because that if that player was really scum, the defending scum will likely be too conscious about the scumreads on the buddy to feel comfortable hard townreading him. At the same time, as they aren’t scumhunting, they will make up reads and are more likely to throw random reads on the townies, sometimes throwing ridiculous townreads on scummy slots, not realising they are scummy.

The only time I’ve ever seen scum hard townread other scum was when they were noob inexperienced scum who had hard mutual unexplained townreads and it was obvious they were scum. I don’t think this is the case here.

In general, scum will pay more attention to their buddies than the townies, and hence be more cautious about their reads on the buddies. I know this especially because I’ve accidentally done this as scum before (WKing a townie).

Alright, do you see a problem here? Fact: there is 1 scum still left in the game. Fact: Gamma and us are lockclear. Fact: Scum therefore, has to be amongst you, NM, Kokichi, Creature. Fact: You can’t townlock NM, obvtown read Creature and be unsure about Kokichi.

Do you not see a problem with this?

[Celestial Coordinates]

I think BB locktowning Creature is town indicative of Creature, because scum are more concerned with

how they look towards their buddies vs townies

Can you explain this please?

Sure, in fact this is related to one of the strongest scumtells I have been developing:

I feel like such extreme stances when scum hard townread someone generally scummy, make that scummy person more likely to be town, because that if that player was really scum, the defending scum will likely be too conscious about the scumreads on the buddy to feel comfortable hard townreading him. At the same time, as they aren’t scumhunting, they will make up reads and are more likely to throw random reads on the townies, sometimes throwing ridiculous townreads on scummy slots, not realising they are scummy.

The only time I’ve ever seen scum hard townread other scum was when they were noob inexperienced scum who had hard mutual unexplained townreads and it was obvious they were scum. I don’t think this is the case here.

In general, scum will pay more attention to their buddies than the townies, and hence be more cautious about their reads on the buddies. I know this especially because I’ve accidentally done this as scum before (WKing a townie).

Yes, that is true in

general

but Thor by appearing to hard distance Gamma, has clearly flipped the script here. So, the usual scum associatiatives are clearly out the window in this game, due to that.

[Celestial Coordinates]

Gamma, Creature, what is your take on both Kokichi/TIC hardtown reading NM, and especially TIC locktowning NM, obvtowning you but still being unsure about Kokichi?

Because based on wagonomics, it doesn’t make any sense.

[Creature]

what is your take on both Kokichi/TIC hardtown reading NM, and especially TIC locktowning NM, obvtowning you but still being unsure about Kokichi?

It's that feeling where I have someone that must be scum by PoE but checking them individually they aren't particularly scummy, hence why the doubt.

[Kokichi Oma]

Pretty confident unless she learned to copy her town meta as scum which seems out of her range.

Okay, I like this post. Had you not answered my question, I would have powerlynched you.

Pretty sure I already answered this

[Kokichi Oma]

Not mafia votes me whenever hes town and I'm town so this is in his meta too lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, Creature, what is your take on both Kokichi/TIC hardtown reading NM, and especially TIC locktowning NM, obvtowning you but still being unsure about Kokichi?

Because based on wagonomics, it doesn’t make any sense.

I mean I’m voting there so what do you think
Can’t wait for NM to come on though

[Celestial Coordinates]

Gamma, Creature, what is your take on both Kokichi/TIC hardtown reading NM, and especially TIC locktowning NM, obvtowning you but still being unsure about Kokichi?

Because based on wagonomics, it doesn’t make any sense.

I mean I’m voting there so what do you think
Can’t wait for NM to come on though

Not trusting the NM/Carca townreads. NM isn’t acting the way he usually does as town, so I’m guessing one of TIC/Kokichi actually knows they’re town here. TIC townlocked NM, where as Kokichi’s response made way more sense. I agree with you that TIC definitely looks worse here because it looks to me, like Ari
could be trying to avoid a thunderdome with Kokichi.

What can be assumed, is that whichever one of the 2 is lynched and if we mislynch, the surviving one will likely vote Creature over NM.

So, scum could be setting Creature up to be mislynched, possibly?

[ThoseInCharge]

You know what, I’ll tell you why I have been locktowning Carca/NM all this while, as I now think there is not much harm revealing my reason.

@Not_Mafia, claim.

[Celestial Coordinates]

You know what, I’ll tell you why I have been locktowning Carca/NM all this while, as I now think there is not much harm revealing my reason.

@Not_Mafia, claim.

Well yes, we don’t want to mislynch and possibly confirming another 2 slots, guarantees us the win.

[ThoseInCharge]

So sorry guys, I should have started signing posts when I actually started posting. I feel like I've caused some confusion about this slot's reads, so please ask amd I'll happily clarify!

- Ari

P.s.
I thought our posts were obvious as to which head was which but I guess not lol

[Celestial Coordinates]

So sorry guys, I should have started signing posts when I actually started posting. I feel like I've caused some confusion about this slot's reads, so please ask amd I'll happily clarify!

- Ari

P.s.
I thought our posts were obvious as to which head was which but I guess not lol

Yes, BNL’s posts always seem to come accross as super scummy for some reason.

Yes, BNL sounded like he was role fishing us and doubting that we were obvtown.

[Not_Mafia]

VeeTee

[ThoseInCharge]

VeeTee

Wait, huh?

I thought you were the babysitter...

[Gamma Emerald]

CC, why did you think there was a babysitter?

[ThoseInCharge]

The reason I have been locktowning NM was because I realised that he was a babysitter. We massclaimed at the start of Day 4, and after that everyone but CC and Carca had claimed. However, CC earlier claimed to be targeted by an announcing Babysitter, and by PoE, I had Carca/NM as the babysitter.

But apparently NM is not a Babysitter CC, NM, what happened here?

[ThoseInCharge]

So sorry guys, I should have started signing posts when I actually started posting. I feel like I've caused some confusion about this slot's reads, so please ask amd I'll happily clarify!

- Ari

P.s.
I thought our posts were obvious as to which head was which but I guess not lol

Yes, BNL’s posts always seem to come accross as super scummy for some reason.

Yes, BNL sounded like he was role fishing us and doubting that we were obvtown.

I feel like people often see my posts coming across as scummy.

And btw, it looks like you can’t tell us apart I did make the posts you were calling role fishing (which I wasn’t), but it was Ari who found reasons to townread you despite being conftown.

[ThoseInCharge]

I was really comparing BBmolla/Kokichi/Creature yesterday, had BBmolla as obvscum, and when comparing Creature and Kokichi, I had Creature as towny and Kokichi as scummy from it.

However, as I had NM as locktown, I didn’t bother reading him, so currently I have no read on that slot

[Performer]

Votecount 5.03

ThoseInCharge (1): Gamma Emerald
Kokichi Oma (1): Not_Mafia

Not voting (4):
Celestial Coordinates
Kokichi Oma
Creature
ThoseInCharge

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2018-12-12 19:13:26)

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
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Moderator notes: none at the moment

[Creature]

Can you confirm you indeed was visited by a babysitter?

Can you confirm it's not a message?

[Celestial Coordinates]

CC, why did you think there was a babysitter?

We weren’t sure who protected us on N2 because we weren’t sure of FL’s alignment. But once we didn’t die on N3, we realized that he was the one who has protected us on N2 and there was probably no babysitter in the setup.

So, basically, we still have our commuter ability, thanks to Flavor Leaf. <3