A Storm of Swords - Lay your swords down!

[Eddard Stark]

VOTE COUNT

Magua (1) - Danakillsu
Zdenek (

Lynch Immune

) (1) -popsofctown,

Locke Lamora (4) Zdenek, Magua, Twilight Sparkle, Benmage

Danakillsu (1) LynchMePls
LynchMePls (1) Shadow1psc
Twilight Sparkle (1) Locke Lamora

Not voting (1) hasdgfas

*10 players remain, 6 to lynch someone.
*Checking if anyone needs a prod
*Don't drink and post. You may embarass yourself.
*Deadline here

[popsofctown]

If I was given a fakeclaim that WASN'T VT, then it wouldn't make much sense AS A VT. Therefore, the fact that my claim makes sense as a VT should tell you that my fakeclaim would have had to be VT from the start to make me scum.

This makes me less likely scum,

though admittedly not a ton less likely

.

This is flatly false. Any claimed name could be VT.

You are stretching and you are refusing to acknowledge that even if your point were true

(which it isn't),

IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU CONFIRMED TOWN

.hat

But pops, this is ignoring the full chain of questioning. My original question was "Why are you calling yourself confirmed town". His response had 2 arguments, BOTH OF WHICH I SHOWED DO NOT MAKE HIM CONFIRMED TOWN. But nowhere did he admit that those pieces of evidence do NOT make him CONFIRMED town.

This argument is stupid, and I'm tired of it. The simple fact is dana was blatantly exaggerating by calling himself "confirmed", which is hugely anti-town at best. When people use the word "confirmed", it better damn well be fucking confirmed. I don't keep a spread sheet of all the claims, so when he called himself "confirmed" I spent about a half hour or so looking back in the record trying to figure out what the fuck he was talking about, when I couldn't figure out why he was confirmed I asked him to explain it, and it turned out to be BS.

I do not like the LL lynch. Zoraster's flip confirms LL's name, and Clegane being a SK against Lannister town doesn't seem right.

The colored clause clearly demonstrates that he uses the word confirmed much more loosely than you do. You know that, you just want to rage over semantics and argue past dana. You like to yell things.
The colored text describes the chance of dana being town as if it's somewhere between 0% and 100%. That's not claiming to be guaranteed town.

[popsofctown]

HE SUBTLY TRIES TO MAKE US GUESS IF HE'S SK OR SCUM, WHICHEVER WE DON'T WANT TO LYNCH.

This is ridiculous. I have explained why I can't be the SK and why I am not Stark.

You specifically focus on defending whichever front is most pressing at the moment instead of like, being protown, or claiming to be protown.

[popsofctown]

@Twilight Hito : Ok. Yes. It's possible that zoraster is a lyncher with a bulletproof, uninvestigateable SK target. Which requires zoraster to get him lynched before he dies, period. Meaning the gameplay dynamic is that he pisses Locke Lamora off during the day, then gets shot by Locke Lamora at night by the defensive SK. Sounds like a real treat to play, if only Locke was the one screaming obscenities, then I could enjoy that fabulous role. And I'm sure this has been done before, in some thread, somewhere.

But there's a multitude of reasons that it doesn't look like good design this game. The clause about the NK scenario doesn't confirm Locke, but it does make him being SK less likely. The hard mode difficulty of a lyncher going after LockeSK does not confirm Locke, but it does make him being SK less likely. The presence of a flipped anti town BP... wait zdenek hasn't flipped yet.. I hate this game.... the presence of someone whom I shall consider a flipped antitown BP makes LockeSK less likely (can create draws, if I'm not mistaken).

If Locke's play was terrihorrifailibad, then he could be an optimal lynch in spite of these things. But it hasn't been that bad. LMP hasn't been multiquoting him and caps locking, that's how you know it's not that bad. Actually some of his posts even sound townie.


I'm beginning if zoraster was the only Locke-lyncher.

[popsofctown]

ebwop beginning to wonder if

[Benmage]

unvote vote magua

[Shadow1psc]

unvote vote magua

lolwut?

[Benmage]

unvote vote magua

lolwut?

PoE there is noone else.

[Benmage]

Pops is modconfirmed Jaime lannister. That's town.
Dana is investigated VT. That's town.
Cow is Payne who shot xtom. That's town.
LMP is qyburn CPR doc. Flavor checks out. Early claim and motive makes sense. D2 claim with other killing entities doesn't make sense. Unless he's the sk. Unlikely nonetheless. Cause D2 claim his delayed full claim etc etc was askinn for rbs. His feysal push uncharacteristic of nontown. That's town
Shadow has played a town game. Was table conductor. Is least mechanically cleared, is most Mafia cleared. That's town.
LL, the mountain that moves. Is lannister vanguard. Is town. Had a lyncher, pops is right about the mechanics and ll simply killing zoraster. That's town.

Whose left???
TS? Claiming VT ....not good. But Mina is town.

So zdenek who will die tomorrow, and magua.

That's it. It has to be that. PoE.

[popsofctown]

I personally got more towntells drops from Magua than from Shadow, but I respect your opinion.

Assuming there is a stark other than zdenek, whoever that stark is looks pretty townie in the eyes of the town.
If you're going down in flame like Setael, and you have a partner who's doing well (I don't think it's as good if he's doing bad), you would do whatever you can to protect him.

You can interpret Setael's actions as protecting Magua, or WIFOM them back to hurting Magua, but I think it's the former. She had to be doing something. She was far, far too zealous for caught scum.

So I do like a Magua lynch in that respect, and I can go with this.

Vote: Magua

[Magua]

pops, your reasoning is terrible. You're town, but your reasoning is still terrible.

Benmage, your PoE reasoning isn't terrible, but goddamn, your governing of Zdenek was.

I think Benmage, hasdgfas, Shadow1psc, and popsofctown are 100% confirmed. I don't care what anyone says.

I think that Locke Lamora, Twilight Sparkle, or danakillsu cannot be Stark.

Hopefully I've made all of my other reads abundantly clear.

Also, I'd like to end this by saying that all of you who think I'm Stark or could possibly be Stark are just fucking terrible. I mean, seriously, seriously, incredibly bad. I really do mean you here, pops, hate to be singling you out on this, but no two sentences you put together make sense in any possible fashion, and I think I may have actually become dumber by trying to read them.

Those of you who think I'm the SK are only marginally terrible. I mean, don't get me wrong, you're still incorrect, but I can at least see where you're coming from.

[Magua]

Missed adding this: Don't think LynchMePls is the serial killer and highly doubt danakillsu is.

[popsofctown]

pops, your reasoning is terrible. You're town, but your reasoning is still terrible.

Benmage, your PoE reasoning isn't terrible, but goddamn, your governing of Zdenek was.

I think Benmage, hasdgfas, Shadow1psc, and popsofctown are 100% confirmed. I don't care what anyone says.

I think that Locke Lamora, Twilight Sparkle, or danakillsu cannot be Stark.

Hopefully I've made all of my other reads abundantly clear.

Also, I'd like to end this by saying that all of you who think I'm Stark or could possibly be Stark are just fucking terrible. I mean, seriously, seriously, incredibly bad. I really do mean you here, pops, hate to be singling you out on this, but no two sentences you put together make sense in any possible fashion, and I think I may have actually become dumber by trying to read them.

Those of you who think I'm the SK are only marginally terrible. I mean, don't get me wrong, you're still incorrect, but I can at least see where you're coming from.

Well what do you want me to do Magua. My number one pick for scum was governed. The rest of the town is quasi confirmed or full confirmed. Those who aren't confirmed in some degree have played a good town game. The only other option I'd be allowed is LL, and I disagree with you on LL. I have to grab at straws. Are you referring to my play all game? If that's the case, I'm surprised you let it go on for dozens of pages, and only commented on it roundabout survival motive time.

[Magua]

Well what do you want me to do Magua. My number one pick for scum was governed. The rest of the town is quasi confirmed or full confirmed. Those who aren't confirmed in some degree have played a good town game. The only other option I'd be allowed is LL, and I disagree with you on LL. I have to grab at straws. Are you referring to my play all game? If that's the case, I'm surprised you let it go on for dozens of pages, and only commented on it roundabout survival motive time.

That was pointed almost entirely on your post trying to draw a connection between Setael and I as being buddies and Setael protecting me.

If I can't get a Zdenek lynch, I want a Locke lynch. If I can't get a Locke lynch, I want a Twilight lynch. Benmage has stated pretty upfront that I'm getting lynched in preference to Twilight. Benmage also said Zdenek is town. I'm not going to fucking argue with him because it will just make my head explode.

But saying I'm Stark or that Setael and I are buddies really flies in the face of posts 1 through 106 or so of this game. EVERYTHING ELSE ASIDE, if I'm Stark, that means I'm taking credit for the SK kill, claiming scum to the SK before everyone had even claimed while simultaneously arguing there was no SK, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Not to mention the aforementioned if I'm Stark then it means that I have bussed every single day except for D2.

If I'm going to be lynched, then it's going to be outside of lylo. There's zero reason for me to survive the lynch today if it only means coming back to me D7. That's fine. But bullshit things like a Setael-Magua connection just make my lynch look stupid, which isn't fine.

[Magua]

10 alive. Hope it's 8:1:1, because if it's not, then Benmage has simply fucked us all over and lost. But I think it's 8:1:1, so maybe it's ok.

Lynch me, 7:1:1. Two nightkills, worst case, 5:1:1. One nightkill isn't really any better for us, because it doesn't give us an extra mislynch.

Lynch Zdenek, who is going to be scum. 5:1. One night-kill. 4:1.

This gives you one mislynch.

Lynch Twilight Sparkle, because they fit into either category.

If that's a mislynch, it's now 2:1. Unless I miss my guess, final day in that case would be LynchMePls, danakillsu, and Locke Lamora. Think dana is clear. LL can't be Stark. LMP can't be SK. So that should make it easy.

The only difference to this plan would be switching me and Twilight, which Benmage isn't going to do, and, since even best case TS turns out to be SK, one nightkill tonight doesn't give us an extra mislynch *anyways*, is simply not worth it for me to argue about.

[Magua]

If anyone thinks my plan is wrong, I want them to argue with me about it *now*. Argue with me as if I were confirmed town, since I'll be confirmed after I flip.

That is, the lynches should go:

Zdenek > Twilight Sparkle > (LMP or LL)

[danakillsu]

I lol'd when Magua admitted to flailing. Continue with the lynch. If he somehow isn't scum, we reconsider what we think we know.

[Magua]

I lol'd when Magua admitted to flailing. Continue with the lynch. If he somehow isn't scum, we reconsider what we think we know.

You're bad at this. I mean, really bad.

But I'll take this as tacit approval of my plan.

[popsofctown]

unvote

ugh..

[Benmage]

Mod

in a clash of kings what message would the cop get if he was roleblocked??

[popsofctown]

vote: Twilight Sparkle

Reasoning: I'm conftown I don't have to post reasons when I vote.

[Eddard Stark]

Mod

in a clash of kings what message would the cop get if he was roleblocked??

I see no reason to answer this question.

[Benmage]

Mod

in a clash of kings what message would the cop get if he was roleblocked??

I see no reason to answer this question.

Was it not open information?? That games over...

[Eddard Stark]

Mod

in a clash of kings what message would the cop get if he was roleblocked??

I see no reason to answer this question.

Was it not open information?? That games over...

If it's public information it's be available to you (via the thread). I'm not answering questions about past games. (there is also precedent for this in Clash, actually)

[Benmage]

Mod

in a clash of kings what message would the cop get if he was roleblocked??

I see no reason to answer this question.

Was it not open information?? That games over...

If it's public information it's be available to you (via the thread). I'm not answering questions about past games. (there is also precedent for this in Clash, actually)

Alright alright, myb on my phone and was just pondering. But looking back at last he says "no role name" which makes me think he got that specific message.

Dana is still conf town.

Zzzzz VC?