Micro 778: Be Yourself Mafia - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

i mean my role has a strong possibility of giving me false information in terms of what the definition of lylo is and how much mafia there were

given that there was a third party in play

I would have activated your role if there was any possibility of game ending the following night

[AnonymousGhost]

@Not_Mafia

Any idea when your bastard micro will hit sign ups? I'll be a tentative pre-in.

[Not_Mafia]

It's next in the queue and one game only has two slots to fill but signups are super slow

[AnonymousGhost]

M'kay. I'll be a tentative pre-in.

Also, can't access scum PT.

[Gamma Emerald]

I should also have a micro in queue soon

[AnonymousGhost]

Will release scum pt if I get no objections

Read the 'small text' Ghost. My bad.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yep release scum PT please.

[Kokichi Oma]

Gg. Eddie played well.

[Eddie Cane]

I was wrong about cheeky playing well I think. maybe the 4th best scum player, after rt gamma and math of course

but, gg etc.

[Kokichi Oma]

RC made this game cancer, had to replace. I don't like how he made the game about him and everyone sucking up to him for it.

[Not_Mafia]

Yep release scum PT please.

Released

[Eddie Cane]

we shouldn't really bash him because he's banned for a month so he can't defend himself but uh... yea

this isn't scumsided because sk hurts mafia more than town. maybe town would've down better if lie detector didn't waste their role or not everyone got pocketed by some alright (nothing against cheeky) but nothing near godly playing, or my predecessor idling. maki got killed because she was going to listen to me and I think cheeky knew that? dunno. it's so frustrating subbing into a game and having every single person hard pocketed by someone who's by far the scummiest left by poe to the point a person self hammered with the dying wish of ignoring and lynching me. pro tip people alive: do NOT try and use mechanics in the future. you don't understand mechanics or setup spec whatsoever.

[UC Voyager]

Sorry. I kind of quit mafia mid game, so that sucked then I was also vla a crap ton recently. I'm really sorry I flaked like that. ):

[CheekyTeeky]

I have no idea how I won, looking back I made a ton of mistakes. No offense taken.

[Mulch]

RC made this game cancer, had to replace. I don't like how he made the game about him and everyone sucking up to him for it.

That’s why fire replaced too

[Mulch]

I have no idea how I won, looking back I made a ton of mistakes. No offense taken.

Good bus

[Mathdino]

do NOT try and use mechanics in the future. you don't understand mechanics or setup spec whatsoever.

didn't

like i said mechanics was one of the few things that would've gotten me to lynch cheeky

although a huge factor was also UCV not confirming his role while CT had

[Eddie Cane]

no, your argument for cheeky town was "scum couldn't have done 2 actions in one night lol!" that's why ct was "lock town" when I subbed in.

[Not_Mafia]

UCV's role was the one I most wanted to see in action, there was also no reason not to claim it in the first post of d2, Jar Jar Bangs was designed for someone to fakeclaim vig and bait scum in to targetting them, I think UCV not claiming was the biggest factor in town loss

[Mathdino]

no, your argument for cheeky town was "scum couldn't have done 2 actions in one night lol!" that's why ct was "lock town" when I subbed in.

then i realised she targeted the same person that was vanillaized

that was the largest cause of buyer's remorse after the gladiation

but then i realised "wait UCV is the only one who has not confirmed his role"

[Eddie Cane]

I have no idea how I won, looking back I made a ton of mistakes. No offense taken.

btw, saw your posts in the dead chat, you shouldn't feel bad as scum. if friends are going to try and sort you on meta they deserve to lose. like, your wincon is to deceive them, you're doing absolutely nothing wrong by doing so. ultimately I can be as mad at mathdino as I want but Im just as mad at postie / rt because they are supposed to be good players and getting pocketed that hard is sad. gamma, no words for Mr self hammer VOTE EDDIE NEVER LYNCH CHEEKY. none at all. maki was the only one who actually took in what I had to say and didn't just pretend to and brush it off. but yea cheeky, don't feel bad at all you aren't to blame for this game getting as toxic as it was at all

[Mulch]

This game was goat

[Mulch]

Cheeky goat

[CheekyTeeky]

Aw thanks mulch <3 goat bus XD

[Mulch]

Why CheekyTeeky is the last scum and you are all pocketed trash.

A Guide by Edward Canery

Part 1: PoE

- Maki is cop inno'd and I hard TR'd her before learning that. Not much needs to be said.
- Mathdino is lock town off play. His interactions with Mulch are not SvS.
- Kiana is hard town off meta and play. If you need me to focus in on something, her interactions with RT are town!Kiana. No, I don't have any meta to cite to support that, go read her games if you want she's pretty new to this site there aren't many. I don't get what's meant by "weak distancing with Mulch", looks fine to me. Scum Gamma is probably more aggressive here too, especially since all day he was the likely lynch and the best case for him was mislynching Dino and getting bopped in LyLo. Also, "Hi, Mathdino is obvious town to me, I'm not understanding why there are so many scumreads on her." lol. Kiana pushed NSG and pushed Mulch. I don't give a shit about any "scum slip" you're proposing, it is entirely believable people would misread that in a role pm if it wasn't their pm initially. I misread mine to be not only D2 at first before I double checked because of the stylistic choices in them being abnormal. People who tunnel on random things like this "scum slip" are people who mafia love to play with because they feed them the win. Seriously, I wasn't sure Gamma was town before but rereading the iso for this post I'm pretty damn sure now. The worst parts about the slot are targeting Maki n1. But, why do they claim that...? If they're fakeclaiming Tracker then they believe there won't be a town Tracker anyways so it doesn't need to be said and Maki would obviously know they got vanillized. Like, it isn't good, but it's not some damning thing. The claims make sense too, a novice or 1 shot Tracker is not something you notice at first glance, especially if the mod tells you you're effectively VT now.
- Obviously WIFOM, scum!Eddie just MLs Gamma -> Math for the W. Irrelevant because me into Cheeky wins the game.

Part 2: Mechanics

Spoiler: claims provided to you by Mathdinkle Industries

NSG: 1-shot strongman 1-shot ascetic serial killer, lynched D1.

Postie: 1-shot day Healer, this "heal" buffs certain roles. Healed RT. Died N1.

Mulch: Gives out fake ITAs during the day.

Mathdino: LyLo Gladiator (I can gladiate myself with other players). Effective VT.

SupremeCaregiver/MakiHarukawa: 1-shot (?) Lie Detector Day 1 OMGUS Doublevoter, attempted to lie detect NSG but she was hammered before the result came back. Can use a double vote on someone voting her on D1 (used on RT before disabled). Vanillaized N1.

RadiantTroubadour: D1 Poisoned 1-shot Voting Ability Disabler. Dies at the end of D1 unless healed (was told there is a healer). If killed N1, can create 3 person lynchpool the next day. Can also disable all voting based abilities for a single day.

CheekyTeeky: 1-shot Amnesiac Cop, random receiver. Copped SC/Maki, Kiana got the result.

NicoRobin/Kiana/Gamma: 1-shot Tracker. Turns into a full tracker if healed (was told there was a healer). Tracked Maki N1, no result.

Day 1:
Postie heals RT (poison removed)
SC doublevotes RT
RT disables voting abilities (SC doublevote removed)
Mulch gives out 3 ITAs, all failed
SC lie detects NSG's "I am town", never gave result because NSG dead

Night 1:
Postie killed
Maki vanillaized
CT copchecks Maki, result sent to Kiana/Gamma
Kiana/Gamma tracks Maki, visited no one

Day 2:
Mulch gives out 2 ITAs

Night 2:
RT killed

- In a Micro, SK + 2 groupscum is a lot of scum power. This is especially true when town doesn't have real protection, is powerless to stop the kills (ala roleblocker), 1 of them is 1 shot immune to investigations (powerful in a short game like a Micro with 2 kills), and member that can just die D1 unrelated to either kill.
- An Amne cop is a great way to hunt for that for scum and town, and the purpose of Amne is to provide the result to town so scum can't just keep it hidden. The role makes sense design wise.
- The only two roles claiming to be knowingly affected by Postie's healing are RT and Kiana. This makes awesome sense from a design standpoint: either you save the town PR but vanillize him, or you let the town PR die but you massively buff another town PR. The only counterpoint to this was an early "scum were given fakeclaims", which they weren't.
- Lie detector and amne cop are close to counter claims. Both are basically cops. 1x LD is stronger because you can parity cop two people and etc, but they don't really fit together. Don't get why people didn't mention that way earlier.
- viewtopic.php?f=23&t=74171 - viewtopic.php?f=56&t=73578 - viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73043 having multiple actions in one night is nothing unheard of in Alisae games, and most of her JOATs can perform multiple but not unlimited. Yea yea, its a "not mafia" game and not an "alisae" game, despite me being told its an "alisae" game, I haven't played in a game before hosted by nm and am not gonna go spend hours modgaming for something unimportant. Saying someone getting vanillized conftowns Cheeky is garbage play and how you gamethrow doing garbage setup spec.
- Amne cop helps with SK /or/ creates a conftown, both of which are good for balance. Vanillize cripples a town role, perfect if you're copping someone. You want to talk about sketchy night actions? Cheeky amne copped Maki the same night they were vanillized... they did the exact same thing people are giving Gamma slot a bunch of shit over.
- Copping + vanillizing one target makes you watcher safe, tracker safe, and means you either vanillized the conf town you just created for your fake claim. Who knows, maybe the action is vanillizing cop, though I doubt it. Irrelevant.
- "She didn't try to take towncred for the cop!!" is not a valid response. She was never run up. What possible reason does a cop and by consequence a scum cop ever have to claim that they're a cop before they're l-1?

Part 3: Cheeky Scumcase

- My 2226 is a good extract, but look at their ISO next to Mulch. It is obvious SvS. Like, insanely so. To quote my own analysis,
- 1) every mulch and cheeky interaction is lighthearted and weak. there's no real "interaction", its all extremely surface level
- 2) cheeky has mulch as their top scumread and is barely on the wagon early game, and its hard to get a sense of time because i wasnt here but it looks like they only voted mulch late into d2 and mulch selfvoted soon after so it was very likely organized
- 3) cheeky did a fuck ton of buddying of rc, which makes sense because of their personal relationship and his controlling persona
- 4) mulch was setting cheeky up to endgame; had them as lock town, the whole ita shenanigans, etc
- 5) why would cheeky claim the amne cop result? a town wouldn't, it would be insulting to them to suggest scum!them would. you just attract a roleblock or a nightkill as town, so scum faking that role wouldn't claim it unless l-1d either.
- 6) notice how they chainsaw? rc scumreads cheeky so mulch discredits rc meanwhile cheeky pockets rc, hits it from both sides. mathdino pushes parallel etc
- RT had Cheeky caught early on. Eventually, between the cop and the buddying and the chainsaw discreding by Mulch RT got pocketed because RC is not a God of mafia who is incapable of failure. They're good friends. You're pushing your good friend, getting called stupid the entire time by someone you despise (#mulched), your friend is defending you the whole time and buddying up, what do you do? It isn't even trying to hide being pocketed.
- Following up to that, Postie and RC as the two most experienced players with Cheeky were the night 1 and night 2 kills because Cheeky knew she couldn't keep up the facade, as well as them being good kills otherwise.
- To focus in, all the ITA: Mulch stuff is almost cringy level of obvious SvS. Like, I am slapping my head against the wall ya'll are too focused on herpaderpmechanics to see this. That's the most obvious distancing / grab for towncred I've seen in a while.
- Amne cop is meant to be a claim that gets towncred while helping their wincon and balancing out against SK, it was played optimally for scum. Notice how they also conveniently vanillized the most threatening role? They had no way of presuming it was 1 shot afaik I'm under the impression that hasn't been claimed even to this date?
- And, a lie detector claim was very likely never getting mislynched so bang bing boom no risk high reward? I don't understand the statement "Maki was the day 2 lynch" in the slightest.
- False mechanical clearing themselves or their partners is common as fuck from Mulch. Invalid.
- Mechanically getting "cleared" is the only way scum!Cheeky endgames, they aren't a very strong scum player from what I know especially if people are saying that dumpster fire of an ISO is "out of their scum range".
- Stop with the "scum can't be vanillizer and cop" bullshit, that's a bad argument and you will never succeed in an Alisae game following it, because again
- This is partially an Alisae game and majorly a bigger troll and more bastard mod's game, and you are trying to use mechanics to solve it. Not only that, but you're trying to use bad premises wrongly to solve it. This is especially ironic coming from someone with "math" in his name. :shrug:

Part 4: AtE aka Why Should I Listen to Eddie?

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- I am expressing 100% confidence in a scumread on Cheeky
- I am giving you the option of lynching Gamma first and having him cop me before we lynch him or lynching me to verify I'm town and then lynching him, I don't care, but I want a guarantee from all 3 players that he dies tomorrow or today
- Every person bleeds town besides him
- Yes, Mathdino, you're a confbiased asshole who's intent on gamethrowing. Nothing you've said about Gamma has been scummy, at all, that slot is just town.
- Yes, Maki, you're tilted and falling into the trap. You specifically should be listening to me, you've played a lot of Alisae games and a lot of Eddie games. You were in the last Alisae micro where Mastina and I caught and tunnelled both scum flawlessly and you and LUV ignored us and chose to gamethrow (particularly him). Especially important because

in that game you falsely mechanically cleared Gerry too. "How could scum's role just be a messenger? That doesn't make sense!

- Yes, Gamma, you're stupid too.
- This game has demonstrated over 90 pages ya'll are incapable of functioning properly. Fighting, whining, rage subs, false mechanical "clears", etc. You have a player you ALL except maybe Gamma and especially Maki should consider at the very least competent saying scum is 100% one player when we have 2 lynches left. Not listening to me for ONE of them is objectively garbage play. This isn't LyLo (yet, no thanks to you), you can't just write me off as scum and move on with it.
- Math, if you're so CERTAIN gamma SCUMSLIPPED because he couldn't parlay with the legendary MATHDINKLE, than you know I'm town and should be putting WAY more stock into what I'm saying. Not writing it off as "you weren't in the game your opinion is irrelevant". I've read enough to think this.
- Mulch is easy to partner read in a scenario like this. That is not a hard trait.
- I am willing to lynch myself, Mathdino, ideally Gamma, before Cheeky if you want to give him a night to get a guilty on someone. I am fine with that. I literally do not care how we progress as long as it involves every player who will be living past today to agree to do Cheeky if there isn't a guilty on someone.
- Yes, I agree it isn't a messenger probably. I will accept the loss if it is because I don't think I have any other choice. That is fine with me.
- Math, Gamma, stop being TvTing fuckwads and listen to your father.

REEEEE