NY 142: Rolling in the Deep, WAIT WAT? PARTY OVER?!

[Beck]

no, "Deadguy has died due to blood loss from clawing his eyes out and slashing his wrists after reading Beck's ISO"

fixed that for you

[Pine]

^Ironic post is ironic. Beck doesn't get the joke.

[Beck]

so what we have here is one of Pine or Theam lying most likely, tbh I don't trust either one of them though.

I say we lynch pine and if he flips town than we lynch theam, the way pine claimed was sketchy,

[Beck]

^Ironic post is ironic. Beck doesn't get the joke.

clearly I get the joke if I am making fun of myself

[Beck]

Confirm vote: pine

let's do this

[ZeL1nK]

chill on the lynching at least until all options have been considered.

after the mod gives answers to the questions that have been asked, we can talk about whether one of them must be lying and who is more likely scum and etc etc.

[Beck]

mod isn't going to answer that, plus I doubt the mod told pine anything about mafia kills flip with "died"

[ZeL1nK]

i'm more interested in the mod answering my question on action resolution (which the mod should answer) than the question on kill flavour

[ZeL1nK]

@Pine,

what would the flavour be if you targeted a mafia kill?

[Beck]

Your question is easy


If player A blocks B, and b blocks C than B's block fails because he was blocked by A.

[Beck]

FYI, sometime soon I'm going to actually reread this monstrosity and take the game serious.

When I do, look out.

[ZeL1nK]

Your question is easy


If player A blocks B, and b blocks C than B's block fails because he was blocked by A.

OK and if this is true, there are a couple potential explanations for why this isn't necesarily a "one of pine and theam is lying and therefore scum" dichotomy.

I want the mod to verify this.

Because if there are possible situations in which neither player is lying then this whole "let's lynch pine of theam" thing is lazy play (and there's likely scum somewhere in the mix trying to get this to happen).

Here's a marvellous idea I heard in another game; it's this concept called 'scum hunting', which almost no one has attempted today. I'm not sure how it works exactly, but I hear it requires more than simply going, "derp derp let's lynch dat guy!" Crazy, isn't it?

Has anyone other than maxous and I read pops in ISO? Does anyone have an opinion on likely partners for pops? Who's scum outside of {Pine, theam}?

[vijay2vasandani]

Guys Theam is LYING. WHY NO VOTING HIM?

[ZeL1nK]

why do you think he claimed roleblocker? to unnecessarily get himself into a 1-on-1 with pine?

nope.

he's most likely a roleblocker (or at least knows that a roleblocking ability was used on pine).

the question is: if that's the case, how could pine have killed pops?

and the followup question is: is at least one of them scum?

[Beck]

Pine didn't kill pops obviously.

The way I look at it is one of the 2 have to be scum, unless something prevented theam's RB on pine.

You defending pine, is quite odd IMO but we can deal with that when we know what pine is.

[DarthYoshi]

Day Three, Vote Count the Running Gag-To-Be-Determined:

theamatuer (5): Revenus, iamausername, Pine, ThAdmiral, vijay2vasandani
Pine (5): theamatuer, Beck, DrippingGoofball, smargaret
funkybike1 (2): Maxous, Zel1nk
Revenus (1): bvoigt

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch and 9 to no-lynch.

Answers to your questions:

smargaret asked: Mod: Does kill flavor vary depending on the role/alignment of the the killer? Does the flavor you write reflect what happened during the night?

Okay, this one isn't actually an answer--you'll need to ask chk, since he writes our flavor. However, I can say that we have indeed taken requests for particular kill flavors.

Unrelated but still related--I'll work at getting links to deathscenes into the OP, but that may have to wait until tomorrow.

Zel1nk asked: How do you deal with roleblocker v roleblocker action resolution? (specifically a blocks b and b blocks c)

In the above scenario, I believe we would defer to the unimpeded roleblocker (in this case, a) meaning c would perform their action assuming no other variables. I'll double check with chk, but I think that is how we'd do it.

@Beck and Pine: Please stop. Telling someone to shut up is not a modkillable offense. I am hoping mild public shaming works in this case, because short of actually modkilling one of you even when you haven't done something modkillable yet, I don't know how I can get players to stop tattling to me. I feel like the teacher of a kindergarten from hell.

[theamatuer]

@ta,

a scum roleblocker could have blocked you if they felt you were, say, scum of the opposing team and they were attempting to block your kill. there are also a couple other explanations that are plausible.

i'm asking you to consider the possibility that you're wrong because you've done very little today outside of declaring your unyielding desire to see pine lynched and I want to know who else you think is scum

why do you think pine claimed to be a vig who can make up his own kill flavour? do you think he's lying about targeting you n1?

Fine then. First things first, the making up his own kill flavour, in all honesty, doesn't change anything. Its not explicitly non-normal, and is in reality a useless action. If pine is town though, I'd suppose that his list would be true, and the scum would be viijay, sorg, and DGB.
pedit: In that case, scum should be able to make up their own kill flavors. I'd ask a scumteam to do so but I'd highly doubt they'd listen.

[Beck]

There we have it, lynch pine now, he flips town, lynch amateur.

Tbh I think they are both scum, just different groups.

The kill flavor is meaningless.

[Maxous]

ROFL

VOTE: Pine

[Beck]

Im glad I was right about pine all along. Now I hope i am right on SV and Rev

[Maxous]

Such a coinicidence the person Pine decided to shoot was Pops...the same person hardcore tunneling on Pine as scum.
Such a coincidence Pine 'failed a shot' against theam... you know

his counter wagon.

'Oh, theam is bulletproof scum or was protected by Pops but I did'nt

process it

until I was in shit' Lawl.
Self preserving scum.

If somebody roleblocked Pine N1 I would like to hear it

This is not to mention - 'DGB is faking a gambit on me

out of spite

'
But I'm gonna claim Vig anyway in case DGB has a track/watch on me.

There was something else as well..

[Maxous]

Oh yeah and we're not directing a SK.
Pine refuses to be directed anyway, because mafia have protective roles...even though the mafia doctor is dead xD

[Beck]

I will never vote to lynch anyone who shoots SV and claims it. You will be my hero.

[Maxous]

Besides, I hadn't processed the Mafia Doc flip 100% when I posted at day start.

Yeah I remember him doing the 'I never processed it' trick before when he was scum, he got away with it that time.
Not this time, mister.

[Maxous]

I killed Pops N2, and tried to kill TheAm N1, but was stopped. TheAm is either Bulletproof or was saved by a Doc. Scum protective roles are common in games with multiple scum factions, and that was part of what fueled my D2-start confidence in multiple scumteams.

Oh I remember now.
If this was true and enough to fuel a beleive there are multiple scumteams then he would of pushed on theam harder on D2 after his shot failed.

Hunh. I just re-read the flavor in the first post, and it seems to suggest that there's two gangs of scum. That would explain the double kill.

This thread needs more from its lurkers and less from people like me, who have been letting the lurkers get away with it.

P.S. why would'nt you shoot a lurker then?