Open 451.2: Vengeful Mafia

[Voidedmafia]

Also, I find what you're doing scummy regardless of my townread on Whisky, so...that's false, too.

NOTICE HOW THIS CAME AFTER THE FACT

...No it isn't?

[Voidedmafia]

Or you mean after the PoE stuff.

Regardless, so what?

[Om of the Nom]

I asked you to make a case on me earlier and you refused to do so because Whisky is town ergo I'm scum.
Now you actually say that I'm actually scummy individually from Whisker's supposed towniness.

[Om of the Nom]

You know what, fuck this. Voided is not this terrible as town.
VOTE: Voided
Whisky, if you're scum then congrats.

[Whiskers]

Vote: Voided

Thought we were gonna lose this one.

[Om of the Nom]

ok
I don't feel bad about this at all

[Voidedmafia]

Disagree because I have a townread on Whisky, but I'm not entirely sure why you think Whisky is scum here. What posts gave you this read?

All his posts had been fluff and no content at all. I cbf to check exactly when I said that, but at the time he may have already passed all that off as a reaction test (or just some of it) and I didn't like that either.[/quote]
Treading over the same ground here. You must be looking under a really strict view of "content," because this has already been shown to be false.

Because Whisky wasn't posting anywhere near as much fluff anymore, I've explained I think they're fluff, I still think they're fluff, that's all there is to it.
Hmmm, take a look at EVERY POST TODAY. Maybe you might find that I'm hugely undecided on which of you is the lesser evil.

Right. Because Whisky's posts today are totally not contentful and working things out, and neither are mine. Meanwhile, you've been doing nothing but ranting about how we've been doing nothing (not true) and that you've been doing better than us (well, you've been doing well, at least).

Irony.

Mainly doesn't mean completely, I still had some bad gut vibes from him, and I actually ended up using reason to show why he's scum. You've barely given reason until I prodded you today.

But...my townread on Whisky has been since early in the game and hasn't changed at all?

It would have told me who was scum but then I reread both of you and him together and realised how fucking inconclusive it was.
Though tbh that was just a bit of padding to make it sound like he was the better shot since frankly I knew he was going to flip scum anyway (totes not a scumslip).

OMG LYNCH IT!

Beforehand I thought he was probably bussing, but then I literally had no idea whatsoever.

But your best guess was bussing?

1.)Not really, since I don't actually have any absolutes and 2.)there aren't really any scumteam guesses just some connections to Sala. 3.)Also how I provide both sides of the argument to show my thought process.

1.) okay.
2.) Even so, it's likely you could've gone on to make such scumteam guesses. I'm only hypothesizing here as I'm not sure if that was what your eventual goal was, but it's not that much of a stretch.
3.) As I said, Whisky provided thoughts about her own lists later.

They were so that I could try and deduce the buddy based on both your posts and Whisky cross-referenced with Sala, I just needed to keep track of the quotes I used.

And what did you get? I don't recall you doing anything with these.

You seriously haven't read anything I've posted today have you? There is a goldmine of content and actually wanting to fucking win the game.

Your rants? Contentful or not, they're still functionally useless because that's really all they are: Rants. Yes, they're trying to get stuff done, but they're the kind of posts that scum can do, and I've certainly done a lesser version of that, too (Klick can attest to that in one of the last Newbies I've played with him).

I asked you to make a case on me earlier and you refused to do so because Whisky is town ergo I'm scum.
Now you actually say that I'm actually scummy individually from Whisker's supposed towniness.

The first happened, and then the second ocurred to help support the first.

So I gained an extra reason afterwards. I still don't get the problem. Can scumreads not get reasons added after they're given?

P_EDIT: GOD FUCKING DAMMIt, YOU TWO, STOP FUCKING DOING THIS!

[Voidedmafia]

CAN I PLEASE GET THROUGH POSTING AT LEAST ONCE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD?!

[Om of the Nom]

Voided your play was pretty damn bad
just saying

PEDIT: You're already dead

[Whiskers]

Some of the lurking is tactical lurking, some of it is that I'm losing interest again. I have the time and willpower to stay up to date in games, mostly, but I don't care enough to go back and reread and make big cases. It's time for another sitebreak for me, I think, until it comes time to mod.

[Om of the Nom]

I noticed you lurking and not posting
Voided just clouded my vision

[Voidedmafia]

Voided your play was pretty damn bad
just saying

PEDIT: You're already dead

Hmph. Regardless, what I was saying about Whisky was true.

And I KNOW THAT! THAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM!

[Om of the Nom]

Hmph. Regardless, what I was saying about Whisky was true.

What? That he was town?

[Whiskers]

P_EDIT: GOD FUCKING DAMMIt, YOU TWO, STOP FUCKING DOING THIS!

CAN I PLEASE GET THROUGH POSTING AT LEAST ONCE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD?!

Lol. I've got to say, it was a pleasure quicklynching you from the same Lylo.
Maybe next time, you'll be scum... I guess we'd still quickhammer you though...?

[Om of the Nom]

Whisky is definitely scum, and if he isn't he's probably good enough to make the right shot.
Can we just lynch Whisky?

This should have happened goddamnit people should listen to me more

[Voidedmafia]

Hmph. Regardless, what I was saying about Whisky was true.

What? That he was town?

...Yeah, totally.

No, I mean that I said was content WAS content.

Whisky: Shaddup.

[Om of the Nom]

Not really, most of his posts were fluff and not adding anything to the discussion or just mindless somewhat game-related quips.
You were fucking blind to the fact that I actually cared about winning and my emotions were real. Your townread clouded your judgement heavily and it severely affected your play which is why I lynched you.

[Whiskers]

Whisky is definitely scum, and if he isn't he's probably good enough to make the right shot.
Can we just lynch Whisky?

This should have happened goddamnit people should listen to me more

It scared the hell out of me, because I couldn't fucking argue with that-- I agreed.

[Om of the Nom]

You were way too focused on proving why Whisky was town than why I was scum, just like how Sala was too focused on proving his credibility over proving I'm scum.
PEDIT: I'm autolynching you next vengeful we play together

[Whiskers]

And learn in this game that

Whiskers doesn't lie!

I didn't make up some post about how the flip made me town, or how I couldn't be scum with Salamence. I

literally

gave you the scumteam.

[Om of the Nom]

LYLO is a time when you need to reevaluate your reads, especially with only 2 other people there, and depending on the game you could probably be there because your reads are wrong, giving you more incentive to reevaluate them anyway. You chose to stick by a previous townread that you never even explained instead of taking the time to actually reread both of us and compare them.

[Whiskers]

The other thing that scared the heck out of me was not knowing who Klick was going to shoot-- I only knew it wouldn't be VM. Withholding that info is, IMO, a really good thing to do as town, Klick. I kept thinking about it and how it was a really good idea.

[Voidedmafia]

Not really, most of his posts were fluff and not adding anything to the discussion or just mindless somewhat game-related quips.
You were fucking blind to the fact that I actually cared about winning and my emotions were real. Your townread clouded your judgement heavily and it severely affected your play which is why I lynched you.

Well, you did look like you cared about winning. I wasn't blind to that. But the anger you were showing didn't sit right to me at all. I meant what I said: It felt like you were desperate scum trying to get me off your lynch so you could win and were doing it by shouting at me.

So you could say that I got the right message but the wrong conclusion.

You were way too focused on proving why Whisky was town than why I was scum, just like how Sala was too focused on proving his credibility over proving I'm scum.

But this is not a bad thing. Showing that one person town is the same as proving another person scum in LyLo, that's very much real and fact. You can get angry at me for not showing a scumcase on you all you want, but that doesn't disprove this.

LYLO is a time when you need to reevaluate your reads, especially with only 2 other people there, and depending on the game you could probably be there because your reads are wrong, giving you more incentive to reevaluate them anyway. You chose to stick by a previous townread that you never even explained instead of taking the time to actually reread both of us and compare them.

I explained it to myself, thus I knew why I had a townread on her. I could've (and probably should've) written out why I had it so you could've seen it, but still. Besides, we got to LyLo by a vengeshot from a townie, not a factional NK from scum.

Not to say that what you're saying is wrong, but it's not exactly applicable in a vengeful since scum don't really get to shoot anyone. I also won't deny that my read was wrong (obviously), but what I said what was I thought and why I had the townread I did.

[Om of the Nom]

I figured you'd be able to tell the difference between real anger and fake anger in regards to me by now :P

It was bad in this case since you were almost doing it just to show me why I'm wrong, which is stupid since you thought I was scum anyway therefore it would have been useless to convince me. As town it's half the battle to prove to the other townies why you're right and person A is scum, not prove to the scum why they're scum.

Explaining it to yourself does jack shit if you want to be heard.

[Voidedmafia]

I figured you'd be able to tell the difference between real anger and fake anger in regards to me by now

Meh, not really.

It was bad in this case since you were almost doing it just to show me why I'm wrong, which is stupid since you thought I was scum anyway therefore it would have been useless to convince me. As town it's half the battle to prove to the other townies why you're right and person A is scum, not prove to the scum why they're scum.

Explaining it to yourself does jack shit if you want to be heard.

I know that.