They both had valid reasonings for what they did. Boggzie and AK did everything BUT specifically say you were scum, yet you still chose Captain to vote for. Boggzie and AK were saying that you or me could be scum, Captain was saying that AK or you could be scum. Both scenarios fingered you as scum, so your reasoning that "anyone that calls me scum must be scum!" is bad. You had no reason to vote that early.geraintm wrote: they weren't both legitimate though. cake was obviously claiming in response to the correct claim, as scum he had to otherwise the game is over. his posts were so inconsitent too.
It was obvious to me because everyone was calling me town, and he knows that I'm town, so it was an attempt to get me to side with him (and you) instead of Boggzie. I had no proof that Boggzie and AK were telling the truth and neither did you. If Cake tried to claim that HE investigated AK, it would look ridiculous as Boggzie had already done so.geraintm wrote: why was it obvious it was you? an easier claim would be say they investigated AK47 surely?
for me though, by cake claiming you were innocent, it left me with a 50/50 choice yesterday on deciding who was telling the truth. that is why captain picked you.
he just made the error of claiming i was scum. as soon as he did that i knew he was scum.
And, as I said before, your last two lines make no sense in accordance with your vote. Captain's thoughts were that either you or AK were scum with Boggzie. Boggzie's thoughts were that either you or I were scum with Captain. You were scum in both scenarios.
AK is in the worst position today, yes, in terms of having to make the correct choice. I'm also in a bad position because I have very little to go on to prove that you're mafia and I am not. You get to sit back and disrupt the peace as much as possible.geraintm wrote: no, it worked out Ak was in the worst posistion because he was town. ak had to make the right decision yesterday, and then the right decision today
Yesterday, however, AK was convinced by Boggzie and felt that he was in the right. I was not as convinced, and as the third town member it was up to me to make a decision. Unfortunately for my sake, you hammered the scum before I made that decision and now you have an easier time of trying to frame me.
And as I've said, 3 times now, you had no reason to trust that claim. Don't you think it's the least bit convenient that you voted for me instead of Cake at this point? Voting for Cake would've surely sent him home anyway. But, maybe you could have convinced AK and Boggzie to get rid of me instead of Cake, so that you would win.geraintm wrote: i have answered this, and ignorning that i have repeatedly answered it is just misleading. i have said many times that to me the game was solved, we had a claimed cop and no counter claims, which meant the game was over. it wasn't a hasty vote, i said in my previous post that i was awaiting everyone to check in but that my bold finger
Also, you keep pointing to the fact that you voted a mere 4 minutes after Cake's claim. However, Cake's INITIAL POST states that he would be summing up his final thoughts post by post, and this initial post came a whopping 37 minutes before yours did. This sounds like you simply failed to read the post at all and jumped at the chance to vote me as soon as you saw Captain appear, hoping that either AK or Bog would jump on and Captain could hammer for the win.
And again, you make an action before anyone else can reply to what you have to say. You rushed the vote twice yesterday when we were at LYLO. How do you not understand that that is mafia behavior?geraintm wrote: there you go, there is the post where i said i was going to vote unless something came up like a counter claim. a counter claim did come, but 4 minutes before i voted and i never saw it!
As a supposed townie, you had no reason to lay the first vote yesterday. If you truly believed Boggzie's claim right off the bat, without any questioning, then you should have waited for him to lay the first vote. You didn't, because you were trying to rush a kill on me before anyone else could respond.geraintm wrote: why was the vote on your ridiculous? i'll explain it again, if there is a cop who has an innocent verdict on one other player, then that means the other two people left besides me are scum? the logic there is very, very simple. and i did have reason to trust one of teh claims, one of the cops was saying i was scum!
So these were your last desperate attempts?geraintm wrote: frankly, i think you should be explain your own actions a bit more. i have answered everything i have.
Here's the stuff geraintm is talking about, AK.
My final opinion on Star, before she was dead:
This post not only covers why I didn't believe Boggzie's claim, but it also explains why I didn't hammer Star. After reading through the accusations, it was my opinion that she was being targeted for a mistake that was similar to what geraintm made (with his early AFAIK/AK confusion) and what pyro made (putting AK on a pedestal). I did not feel that this was a scum tell, and thus I did not vote.Talmadge Monroe wrote:I've been hesitant on the hammer simply because you scrambling to defend yourself against accusations made towards hito is not a gigantic scum tell like others seem to imply it is. My major issue with this whole situation is and always has been the massive confusion that accompanies it.
I am a little distressed that Boggzie has been so aggressive compared to his earlier play, especially like you mention with the defense of Pyro who arguably had a series of worse posts than hito.
Boggzie and Pyro continue to plague and confuse me in their own ways.
I'm torn at the moment.
and here's my supposed distancing from Cake:
You're going to have to try harder than that, geraintm. What exactly makes my reasoning lousy here in relation to where I put everyone else on this list?Talmadge Monroe wrote:Scummy:
Pyro- for reasons I've already stated. I don't really feel like his answer justifies 3 scummy posts. Once is a slip-up, three times is too fishy for me.
AK- he's smack in the middle of things and very uncomfortable about it. He's also made a couple of strange assumptions involving Captain and his "bandwagon" and Pyro and his quote typos.
Somewhat scummy:
Captain- a couple of mistake posts, though he's quick to admit his mistake. He hasn't really done anything that suspicious but he's also not clean of errors. Labeling AK as cop or scum was probably not a great idea.
hitogoroshi- he only has 5 posts and only 3 of them have content, per se. Each of those 3 posts hammer home the point that he doesn't want to lynch immediately. Obviously, that is the ideal strategy for townies but repeating it over and over makes me wonder if he wants everyone to remember him saying that.
geraintm- his one slip-up was a typo but it was still a fishy reaction. Other than that, his posts have been clean.
unsure:
Boggzie- voice of reason and clean posting.
To address your "TM is aggressive" question, all I can say is that there is a difference between being aggressive and being haphazard. Attacking someone for being scummy and throwing down a dangerous hammer is not the same thing. You're trying to imply that I should've put hito at L-1 or hammered Star, even though in each situation there were 2-3 other players that had not chimed in yet. My play was aggressive, but it was safe. Your play was not aggressive, but it most certainly was haphazard considering your votes on Day 2.
I guess I shouldn't have brought up the whole 'AK is the cop' thing again, that might have helped a bit.
) lead me to attack you for it because I was pretty sure you were the partner at that point. 
