I was actually trying to channel some oldguard spirit as Bolton believe it or not. I tend to associate the style I made as more in line with them than with the current site meta, anyway: I tried to keep posts (for lack of a better word) "controlled".In post 3261, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I REALLY enjoyed playing with some of you old-timers. I miss the old way we used to paly mafia, Regfan.
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You did fine. <3In post 3269, Gorkington wrote:
eh i dont really think i played too well this game tbh! but thank you. i still feel bad for how much of a shithead i was to you and nacho q.qIn post 3266, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You're a great player and I never gave you the credit.-
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My claim was meant to achieve exactly that, actually. I was creating a distraction. There was the possibility of a wagon reforming on Baratheon--the initial push was on Dondarrion, but me knowing this was Nacho, I figured he wouldn't get lynched (or even be forced to claim) on D1. Instead, he would become obvtown and have a strong possibility of Baratheon being lynched.In post 3272, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Tammy encapsulates it perfectly in the dead QT:The job of a traitor is to create enough distractions so that town lynch town and not their masters. Yes that means getting the prs lynched, but no scum team is going to go oh maybe that random person that claimed doctor is our traitor we shouldn't kill him. That's just not going to happen.
Really the best way to be a traitor and demonstrate you're a traitor is not be a threat to the scum team. Appear that you have an agenda that coincides with theirs. That doesn't mean that you have to have all their same reads or never bus them, but if you're bussing one of your masters, you're not going to be considered a traitor no matter how many times you say the word traitor.
Tully seemed to be a traitor because he cleared a member of the scum team, so when he was going after baratheon it looked like he was just trying to look like town.
I couldn't let that happen. So I distracted the town. I locked it into a scenario where I would confuse them. I was hoping the scumteam would utilize this confusion bynotfucking nightkilling me: by leaving the counterclaimer alive, things would be even more chaotic and hectic for the town come D2. And it's not like I claimed doctor. I claimed 'vague power role which does not jive with Mormont'. I deliberately made my claim in a way which was questionable: meant to inspire doubt. Meant to make people think I might be scum. Not enough to where I'd be vigged, not enough to where I'd be speedlynched, but just enough to where they would want me in the spotlight D2.
And Iwantedto be in the spotlight, because I wanted to use the time in the spotlight to direct the town's attention onto town. Connington, for instance, was a favored lynch target of mine. If the vig on Connington had succeeded, I'd have gone after Reed most likely. (Maybe someone else, but Titus was attackable and I knew she was attackable.)
The thing about my play was that it relied on one factor: me making it to D2. If I made it to D2. Then two of my scumbuddies would be my top two townreads. Instantly, there, my agenda would overlap with theirs. I'd not be a threat--the opposite; I'd have HELPED them. And when I went after Baratheon, I tried signaling to him that on D2 onwards, I was going to do this. I was trying to tell him that my bussing was to look town. I was trying to tell him that my efforts were all for the singular purpose of giving us both believable reasons to be town.-
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Hilariously suicidal, as that'd be the ultimate shade and sketchy-as-fuck.In post 3291, mhsmith0 wrote:I mean, I guess you could have tried to get Tully mislynched day 1? idr how tough that might have been tho.
What would I use as justification?
"Let's lynch Tully to verify their claim"?
Not exactly A-list lynch material.
And anything BUT that would have earned me the suspicion of the whole town for "trying to lynch conftown".
Heck even that probably would have.
Tully was above reproach.
There was nothing I could do to change that without exposing myself as scum to EVERYONE, not just the scum.
So I did things like placing Greyjoy above Tully and declaring "even if Tully isn't town, Greyjoy is"; I did things like never ceasing my signaling; I did things like directly telling the whole game essentially (and by proxy, the scum) my identity, relying on meta knowledge that mastina breadcrumbs even as scum and thus to look at her iso and see what she has left; I did things such asdirectly telling the scumteam in no uncertain terms my plan to their face.
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I had no way of knowing that.In post 3297, MathBlade wrote:I never would have killed you without the claim. I was working on buddying you. *sigh*
As far as I was concerned, you were talking to me in a way indicating you were planning to kill me.
And killing me wasn't something which was so unusual an idea.
Even without a claim or breadcrumbs.
I was someone not likely to be protected, given both Clegane and Seaworth had claimed. (And thus, I'd be wide open to attack.)
I was someone widely held by the entire town to be town, and thus, not a mislynch candidate. (Like. People I never fool, such as Nacho, were fooled by me--that says something as to how town I was this game.)
I was someone with a very strong presence in the game, one of the town leaders, and thus, a voice who the main scumteam thought they couldn't control.
And I had reads which were the closest to accurate at the end of D1--Baratheon strongly as scum; Frey on the southern side of null.
That's beyond the triple-threat. That's the full-blown square of nightkill justifications.
Add in the softclaim (which was necessary for my gambit, the thing literally 100% of my play revolved around), and you had five reasons to kill me, and I knew about each of them.
And it's not like I can actually take those back.
I can't suddenly become a player to protect with any claim I can deliver on.
I can't throw away all my towncred and suddenly become a scumspect--not with so little time in the day. (Even if I could, I wouldn't want to, given I knew there was a fucking TOWN VIG and being vigged is the thing I needed to AVOID.)
I couldn't get rid of my strong presence in the game; I needed that in order to direct lynches onto town.
I couldn't get rid of the breadcrumbs I made after I had made them; they didn't magically disappear.
The only variable I could change was reads--and trust me I was trying to think of ways to manipulate the odds. I knew I could do it easily with my claim, come D2. But I couldn't figure out a way to reconcile my plan with any change in reads. WITH my plan, ridiculously easy. WITH my plan, I could make shit up. Without my plan, I'm absolutely godawful at making shit up because I'm a fucking PLANNER so of COURSE I'm not gonna do well if I'm forced to abandon my plan.-
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Well I did suspect you, but even I knew you weren't getting lynched lolIn post 3304, mastina wrote:
I had no way of knowing that.In post 3297, MathBlade wrote:I never would have killed you without the claim. I was working on buddying you. *sigh*
As far as I was concerned, you were talking to me in a way indicating you were planning to kill me.
And killing me wasn't something which was so unusual an idea.
Even without a claim or breadcrumbs.
I was someone not likely to be protected, given both Clegane and Seaworth had claimed. (And thus, I'd be wide open to attack.)
I was someone widely held by the entire town to be town, and thus, not a mislynch candidate. (Like. People I never fool, such as Nacho, were fooled by me--that says something as to how town I was this game.)
I was someone with a very strong presence in the game, one of the town leaders, and thus, a voice who the main scumteam thought they couldn't control.
And I had reads which were the closest to accurate at the end of D1--Baratheon strongly as scum; Frey on the southern side of null.
That's beyond the triple-threat. That's the full-blown square of nightkill justifications.
Add in the softclaim (which was necessary for my gambit, the thing literally 100% of my play revolved around), and you had five reasons to kill me, and I knew about each of them.
And it's not like I can actually take those back.
I can't suddenly become a player to protect with any claim I can deliver on.
I can't throw away all my towncred and suddenly become a scumspect--not with so little time in the day. (Even if I could, I wouldn't want to, given I knew there was a fucking TOWN VIG and being vigged is the thing I needed to AVOID.)
I couldn't get rid of my strong presence in the game; I needed that in order to direct lynches onto town.
I couldn't get rid of the breadcrumbs I made after I had made them; they didn't magically disappear.
The only variable I could change was reads--and trust me I was trying to think of ways to manipulate the odds. I knew I could do it easily with my claim, come D2. But I couldn't figure out a way to reconcile my plan with any change in reads. WITH my plan, ridiculously easy. WITH my plan, I could make shit up. Without my plan, I'm absolutely godawful at making shit up because I'm a fucking PLANNER so of COURSE I'm not gonna do well if I'm forced to abandon my plan.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 3278, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I was such a bro to you this game lol, literally stuck by you through thick and thin we did it! We won and survived-
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Also apologies to anyone who was salty about the hydra - I got the PM from SAD whilst at the UK meet and asked CDB if he was also interested, not realising that the slots had all been filled except one. It wasn't a deliberate attempt to gain any kind of advantage. Irony being I am anti-alts and anti-hydrae but had great fun this game. Also thanks for keeping it at 130 pages rather than a billion.Trans rights are human rights.-
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You wrote greyjoy instead of tully for FB and boonskiesIn post 0, House Dayne wrote:
Playerlist
House Arryn 2.0 as of 972House Arryn
House Baratheon
House Bolton
House Clegane
House Connington
House Dondarrion
House Frey 2.0 as of 1260House Frey
House Greyjoy 2.0 as of 2645House Greyjoy
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House Reed 2.0 as of 364House Reed
House Seaworth
House Stark 2.0 as of 586House Stark
House Tully 2.0 as of 1697House Tully
House Tyrell
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In post 3311, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
You wrote greyjoy instead of tully for FB and boonskiesIn post 0, House Dayne wrote:
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House Frey 2.0 as of 1260House Frey
House Greyjoy 2.0 as of 2645House Greyjoy
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House Stark 2.0 as of 586House Stark
House Tully 2.0 as of 1697House Tully
House Tyrell
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Thanks for the game everyone!
I'm sorry for my mini meltdowns and larger meltdown this game - I have absolutely no idea why this game suddenly got so rough for me in that particular patch (it's not even like RL at the time was particularly hard so ????) - really sorry about that, but special shout outs to Gorkington/UT/Titus - managed to cross the line in my interactions with every single one of you and I feel very guilty even coming back to this thread because of how I got, definitely not typical for me (and thank you UT for the "he doesn't mean that" comment - means a lot to me)."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I think that Firebringer claiming an informed innocent on Greyjoy is fucking hilarious - I don't share Regfan's "no gambits" stance because I think they can be done well and I think that they can be fun and I think you can totally blindside scum with them which is pretty satisfying. My specific criticism with this one is that the only way where it would benefit the town is if you claimed an innocent on scum when scum were looking for a traitor which I don't think was immediately obvious - the benefits of making a random townie slightly more likely to be nightkilled are not great (like maybe you accidentally claim an innocent on a jailkeeper or something and scum kill an under the radar player they weren't going to find until way down the road) and giving lurk scum that probably could have been caught earlier definitely hurts town but overall well played because the end result was fucking amazing."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I think this was probably your one significant mistake; unless there was a member of the scumteam that knew you intimately I don't think that gambling on people picking up on meta knowledge was a good idea. And when you see someone claim an innocent on your scumpartner and you know the scumteam is looking for a traitor, there's a very large chance that they will be confident in thinking that person is their traitor.In post 3303, mastina wrote:So I did things like placing Greyjoy above Tully and declaring "even if Tully isn't town, Greyjoy is"; I did things like never ceasing my signaling; I did things like directly telling the whole game essentially (and by proxy, the scum) my identity, relying on meta knowledge that mastina breadcrumbs even as scum and thus to look at her iso and see what she has left; I did things such as directly telling the scumteam in no uncertain terms my plan to their face.
I did everything I could think of SHORT of casting shade on Tully.
I don't think that anyone is beyond reproach for someone with a good scumgame and I certainly do think you had openings to attack Tully (in particular, discrediting the shit out of him by saying you knew who he was and that he did things often, etc) - I think you underrated the threat that someone who very convincingly looked the traitor part and relied too much on people knowing you well enough to recognize what you were doing."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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also it's hard as shit to get UT lynched and arguing with him about basically everything was a highlight of the game - particularly enjoyed when we became bros for a minute to lynch mathblade for a little while and then went back to arguing again (and the last picture you gave me was absolutely beautiful)"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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and impressed with ABR turning it on late game; in particular pretending like you were falling back into the Reed tunnel only to shoot Baratheon and snapping yourself out of the tunnel on me were two particularly solid moves - with me I get the sense that you're a bit inclined to suspect me when you're town (which could be unfair since the only times I remember playing with you-town recently (or kind of recently) is here/Near Vanilla/Team Mafia so was surprised when that happened"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I do try to entertain the massesIn post 3316, Nachomamma8 wrote:I think that Firebringer claiming an informed innocent on Greyjoy is fucking hilariousShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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How can you be impressed with ABR lying and dumping on everyone?In post 3319, Nachomamma8 wrote:and impressed with ABR turning it on late game; in particular pretending like you were falling back into the Reed tunnel only to shoot Baratheon and snapping yourself out of the tunnel on me were two particularly solid moves - with me I get the sense that you're a bit inclined to suspect me when you're town (which could be unfair since the only times I remember playing with you-town recently (or kind of recently) is here/Near Vanilla/Team Mafia so was surprised when that happenedShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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The play here by town was very demeaning and insulting and disorientingShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Voting with you and UT to lynch Mathblade to Titus' frantic protests when she was begging us to mislynch Martell was a special delight. You had another strong game here with correct reads on both Frey and Greyjoy. I do tend to naturally scumread your playstyle, I had no idea it was you behind House Dondarrion. I have the same problem with Beeboy and randomidget, they always appear as scum to me.In post 3319, Nachomamma8 wrote:and impressed with ABR turning it on late game; in particular pretending like you were falling back into the Reed tunnel only to shoot Baratheon and snapping yourself out of the tunnel on me were two particularly solid moves - with me I get the sense that you're a bit inclined to suspect me when you're town (which could be unfair since the only times I remember playing with you-town recently (or kind of recently) is here/Near Vanilla/Team Mafia so was surprised when that happenedGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.
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