Micro 4 - Double Day Unlimited (Over)

[Maestro]

I'm not convincing anyone or boosting your ego. I'm just stating something that is now a fact for me. Only town would have reason to not quickhammer in LyLo - my vote's already on Mehdi so my position is clear.

If I were scum, I would've waited for you two to hash it out and I'd've casted the final hammer vote myself (like Mehdi probably hoped he would be able to do). I wouldn't've left it up to your good judgement to choose Mehdi over me if I was scum. If you were scum, you would've quickhammered and it would be "Game Over: Mafia Win" at this point. But you didn't do that. So I was merely pointing out that since I know I'm Town, and that just clinched you as Town from my POV, my vote now has no error margin/whatever you want to call it.

There's no chance that Mehdi is not scum. GG. Town wins.

[Mehdi2277]

So your opinion never changed since your second post of the game? In that same post, you said both Maestro and I were leaning town - if your opinions haven't changed since then, it means that you must be the scum.

Wrong. I later said that you and abr dropped to null mostly because the others felt more likely to be town. And you realize that not all reads are wrong. How is it scummy to have been wrong on one of my town reads when you and maestro have been wrong with scum reads.

Anyways I could do a long text wall match with maestro, but that really just creates noise. You're confirmed town now so VOTE: Maestro. And just choose between us. If you want to ask anything else I'll answer.

[N]

Gah. I don't knoooooow

[N]

Okay, I've got a few days. I'll take this slow.

I guess I'll start by rereading the whole thread.

[Maestro]

Mehdi, I will kill you if you win as scum after coming back for the first time in 2 days to post fluff during LyLo.
You played a good game, sir. Too bad N started bleeding Town - you almost had me at the beginning of today.

[Maestro]

Okay, I've got a few days. I'll take this slow.

I guess I'll start by rereading the whole thread.

Do this please, but ask questions of both of us if there's anything you need clarification on

before you vote

.

[Mehdi2277]

Mehdi, I will kill you if you win as scum after coming back for the first time in 2 days to post fluff during LyLo.
You played a good game, sir. Too bad N started bleeding Town - you almost had me at the beginning of today.

That's actually a fine reason to not post a ton (lylo is just going to have one player bs stuff while the other two try to be honest so it usually makes the most noise). Anyways my reason for believing n scum was PoE.

[Maestro]

Gotcha. So what's your reason for believing me-scum? Further PoE now that N is conf-Town?
What ruled me out before that doesn't rule me out now?

[Mehdi2277]

Maestro you realize you have to be scum from my point of view because of PoE. Before you were my much stronger town read. With N conf-town you must be it. It's similar to how you're claiming to be so confident I'm scum now since you can't push on N when he's conf town.

[Maestro]

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Yes Mehdi, I realize you can't claim scum in a LyLo situation.

I know that I am Town, N is confirmed-town after his posting in LyLo, you are scum. That is the situation.
All that needs to happen now is for N to either realize that on his own or trust me.

[Maestro]

Maestro you realize you have to be scum from my point of view because of PoE.

The funniest part is, you haven't said that I'm scum (the part above quoted for truthery), because you know I'm not. You are.
You've only said that you can't

not

say I'm scum, since admitting that would out you as the scum you are.

[N]

Okay, I just skim-read the whole post. Two main things that stuck out to me were that Jarvis/kcda relations early in the thread during RVS seemed forced (but this might be due to some previous game they played together, and it does look a bit like Medhi brought me to lylo because he thought I'd be an easy mis-lynch (although the same could be said for maestro, it's just that Maestro had said several times he suspected me, while Mehdi wasn't quite as confident).

Ill let you two argue for a bit while I go check out mini 1351, which Maestro mentioned as a game he bussed in (I think that's what post 258 meant).

[Maestro]

Yes, that is correct. That was a hard-bus of my RoleCop Mafia-Mate from D1 when I replaced in that resulted in a Mafia Win after a not-so-successful LyLo performance on my part.
I don't do terribly well as scum in LyLo, that game should also be a good identifier of that.

[Maestro]

Haha I won out of luck really...should've NKed Aru since he was such a wild card. It worked out though. Anyway.
Thoughts on Posts 359 and 360, Mehdi? Or has the logic completely and utterly convinced you of your loss?

[N]

I'm reading through it now. to be honest, how you acted with Jarvis was very similar to how you acted with McStab there. I have something else I noticed from your play there I want to check if is consistent in this game, too.

[Mehdi2277]

A. Maestro you're debating semantics.

B. Repeatedly saying you're town and that town will win the moment I'm lynched is just some Appeal to emotion (probably a specific type but the exact name doesn't matter).

[Maestro]

Haha ok, ok Mehdi. I'll stop.
Do tell, N. Does my play overall look the same in the two games?

[N]

I as checking to see why you made your nightkills in the other game - it looked to me like you were killing those that suspected you (especially with guttersomething), and that matches with Yos having voted uberninja and abr having you as his last suspect.

Maestro, your confidence is unsettling :/

Mehdi, do you have any games I can look through?

[N]

I see you've got micro 3 in your sig; are there any others?

[Mehdi2277]

Here's a link to the two finished scum games I have:

http://forum.vdexproject.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=35286
http://forum.vdexproject.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=33801

I do have quite a bit of town meta if you want that too.

P-Edit: Micro 3 was a town game. I can list the rest of my town games if wanted (and I have about 10 other town games off site).

[N]

Thanks for those links; I'll get right to reading them. (I actually read micro 3 as it was happening, so I have no need to read up there.)

[N]

Is there a way to isolate your posts at the other forum?

[Mehdi2277]

Yes. Click my profile, check post history and search posts in 25a/23z. There is no true iso, but that works as a make shift way to look at one person's posts in a thread.

[N]

I think I might have to sign up to do that. Damn.

[Mehdi2277]

I think I might have to sign up to do that. Damn.

I never realized that, but yeah you do.

http://forum.vdexproject.net/search.php ... r_id=38856
http://forum.vdexproject.net/search.php ... r_id=38856

That's a link to my post history in those two games (which you have to quickly sign up to try looking at them).