In post 345, Psyche wrote:like, if you eliminate sexuality from the typical person or from society in general, so much is gone
there's a gaping void i don't think would be so obvious if, say, we all stopped thinking about race
ive been meaning to tell you that from our last discussion on straight culture, i think u were more on the point than i was. For better or worse our sexuality has played a huge role in our culture and by that i mean straights then i wanted to admit.
i still think integration of the cultures is better but like ur def right on the impact.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
I mean if you are sincere, we both dream of a world where sexuality is as impactful as was hand you write with, but in order to do that, the underlying prejudices have to be addressed and either resolved or eliminated.
In post 346, panthaleon wrote:I mean I am sure Persivul tolerates gay people as long as they don't talk about it, don't kiss in public, don't hold hands, don't have children, don't go to parent teacher conferences, don't make a big deal out of it when he says something homophobic, don't try to put their relationship on par with a straight marriage, and don't make it a part of media.
I have a gay couple as clients. In meetings with them they wore what appeared to be wedding rings. Didn't bother me.
When the IRS made married filing joint available to gay couples married under state laws, I called them to ask if they were legally married (they weren't). Didn't bother me.
In post 346, panthaleon wrote:I mean I am sure Persivul tolerates gay people as long as they don't talk about it, don't kiss in public, don't hold hands, don't have children, don't go to parent teacher conferences, don't make a big deal out of it when he says something homophobic, don't try to put their relationship on par with a straight marriage, and don't make it a part of media.
I have a gay couple as clients. In meetings with them they wore what appeared to be wedding rings. Didn't bother me.
When the IRS made married filing joint available to gay couples married under state laws, I called them to ask if they were legally married (they weren't). Didn't bother me.
Oh thank god Persivul was willing to comply with the law whew. He didn't even ask them to remove their wedding rings. I think by his definition, this proves he's not homophobic.
In post 346, panthaleon wrote:I mean I am sure Persivul tolerates gay people as long as they don't talk about it, don't kiss in public, don't hold hands, don't have children, don't go to parent teacher conferences, don't make a big deal out of it when he says something homophobic, don't try to put their relationship on par with a straight marriage, and don't make it a part of media.
I have a gay couple as clients. In meetings with them they wore what appeared to be wedding rings. Didn't bother me.
When the IRS made married filing joint available to gay couples married under state laws, I called them to ask if they were legally married (they weren't). Didn't bother me.
Oh thank god Persivul was willing to comply with the law whew. He didn't even ask them to remove their wedding rings. I think by his definition, this proves he's not homophobic.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
In post 357, panthaleon wrote:Oh thank god Persivul was willing to comply with the law whew. He didn't even ask them to remove their wedding rings. I think by his definition, this proves he's not homophobic.
That, along with my friendship with a gay person, shows that your guesses about me are mostly wrong.
guys guys this thread can't be active anymore i have work to do
im gonna leave everything to chamber
chamber if someone says something homophobic and you don't have it in you to act mad for me just say tsk tsk tsk
people will love it
In post 280, panthaleon wrote:This is not misrepresentation. You have stated you believe gay people should not exist. The underlying implications are that my existence is immoral, faulty, and less than that of my heterosexual counterparts. Your sentiment exists only to denigrate gay people, and is the same rhetoric used to restrict rights, promote inequality, and in some places justify their execution.
Your rhetoric is not harmless just because you're too self involved to think about what weird opinions you feel obligated to share.
PEDIT:
I respond to Persivul because he is so fundamentally and harmfully wrong that I feel the act of not responding and tacitly condoning his behavior puts me at fault as well.
In post 324, Firebringer wrote:probably because the only one who sounds truly hateful in this conversation is you. Persivul has an unpopular opinion but doesn't appear to actually hate anyone. Not approving of homosexuality doesn't equal "I hate all gays" or "I want all gays to die" or "gays don't have the right to exist" or whatever you want to insert.
I feel like that has been explored so much that you should get that.
Comparing them to criminals and drug addicts don't look pretty good though.
In post 331, panthaleon wrote:Also sidebar, but I would also like for someone to justify their icky feelings about gay people with something other than their religious text of choice. Like this isn't a rational opinion someone develops. It's a lizard brain response developed by upbringing or indoctrination.
For straight people homossexuality is weird and naturally repulsive. Guess hence why religions condemning homossexuality have emerged. It's more of a taste though.
Would I prefer that people not be gay because god? That's a weird way of wording it, but if I'm getting the gist right, that fits me reasonably well.
Additionally you've repeatedly said you disagree with homosexuality. Actually what else can that possibly mean?
I mean like I responded with this KK.
Also friend you still seem to think that ignoring Persivul is a valid response and are ignoring the reason I am saying that response is invalid. Do not patronize me about this, please. I have tried very hard to explain why 'ignore the troll' is bad advice.
Ah, sorry, I missed that when looking at all the P.Edits in that post. I'm not trying to be patronizing or telling you ignore trolls, but if he is a troll then you bringing up your beaten friend in anger is a sign that you're being manipulated.
Nazi trolls love to use pressure points to trigger liberals into explosions of emotional beratement to make them look oversensitive and try to reduce credibility.
{Not calling Persivul a nazi here, just making a greater point}
It's not an intrinsic identity. Race is a social construct. Identities around race exist. These identities are almost always within minority populations as push back against erasure of their culture or prejudice against them. I can't say that I think my whiteness is relevant to my identity in anyway. If racial identity was intrinsic it would have to be. On the other hand, straightness is absolutely relevant to my identity.
