Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[Battle Mage]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]You shouldn't let people get vigged openly if you don't give them a chance to claim.

TheSweatpantsNinja is actually obvious scum because of his first couple of posts IMO. armlx is also scum, but apparantly people do not like his lynch.[/quote]

His first posts? as in his first posts in this day phase, or in the whole game??

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM I really don't think you need to prove yourself, but with others looking at you. I will target you tonight so you can prove yourself and stop these others for continuing their witch hunt.

Ok, you got it.

@Armlx, TSPN- Guys... please just GROW UP. You're providing an excellent smokescreen for much scummier players. I'd like both of you to take a look at my choice candidates for lynch today:

CKD and VanDamien

cheers,
BM

[Battle Mage]

kk. can you vote for CKD now please?

[Battle Mage]

This is not productive posting.

Oddly enough, neither was that.

And coming from me, that means something.

DAMN RIGHT! ^5 Peers

Armlx, if you dont think that me attempting to lead the town away from a pointless discussion, towards lynching some actual scum, is productive, i think you have a serious problem. We'll have words later on, i'm sure. For now, may i humbly offer you a nice cup of stfu?

Farside- CKD was the guy yesterday who couldnt really decide whether to push against Rosso, or to defend him. Most of the time he ended up doing a combination of the two, which seemed majorly inconsistent. Furthermore, his play in general does just not correllate with my relatively good meta of him as town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Farside- CKD was the guy yesterday who couldnt really decide whether to push against Rosso, or to defend him. Most of the time he ended up doing a combination of the two, which seemed majorly inconsistent. Furthermore, his play in general does just not correllate with my relatively good meta of him as town.

BM

BM why do you want me gone so bad? Is this because I think you should be tested?

No. You know fully well that i had already made clear my suspicion of you, long before you even brought this point to light. If anything, your pathetic attempts to attack me are a result of my attack on your play yesterday.

Is this because I called you out saying you were all for it, then when people started to agree you change your mind?

I believe ive already explained why this is BS.

Is this because I think that you might be cult with a posioning ability?

Oh, seriously-Grow up! :X
I'm going to be confirmed tonight anyway, so instead of making yourself look like more of a prat, why dont you contribute to actually lynching scum? By all means, bet on me being cult. Hell, you havent even given 1 reason to suggest the cult is responsible for said poisonings. Its a shame your brain isnt as big as your mouth.

Is this because I didnt want to lynch RC yesterday, but wanted to question those who jumped on the BW..LIKE the fucking GF?

Now thats just it, bro. You DID want to lynch RC yesterday. At least, thats what you told me. You hopped away from the wagon temporarily, but when called on it, you rejoined again. I stated yesterday that your performance looked scummy regardless of affiliation, but contrary to TSPN, i think it looks far scummier in light of him coming up town, as it is far easier to give it a scum motive.

BM, you have lead this town to one mislynch after another

lolwut?
As far as i'm aware, we've only had 2 lynches. And one of them was the SK. Oh, but i forgot, the SK isnt scum is he, because you forget that your scumgroup isnt the only 1 out there? rofl

You just slipped.

Oh and ftr, if you are town, i'll be bringing this bitchfest up later. If theres one thing i hate more than being told i suck when i play shit, its being told i suck when im playing ok.

...and now you are knocking at my door..all based on a meta? When in doubt and you cant put a case together, you have to fall back on a the old meta BS

Woah. A meta is a meta. I know your playstyle pretty well with all the games we've shared. By all means, argue with me. Tell me ive got you wrong. Cite examples. Oh and in case you havent been reading, which is clearly the case, i HAVE given a case for you being scum. You're just too defensive to thrash it out.

like the meta you had on RC yesterday?

that was different. The meta i have on you is a general vibe based on your play in various games. Rosso on the other hand, made the exact same claim, in the exact same fashion, he had done at the exact same time, in a game in which he was Mafia. Thats a little more than a meta. Again, if you had any clue what was going on yesterday, i wouldnt need to teach you this.

BM, why are you trying to get farside to vig anyone else but you tonight?

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! are you actually drunk? just a few posts prior to yours, i said im fine with Farside vigging me. Perhaps the more important question is, why are you so desperate for Farside to avoid taking a punt at the Mafia?

Furthermore, what have you done protown this entire game?

another slip i guess? Your logic is beyond shite, but ill humour you with the same response i gave earlier. I nailed the SK. I pushed that wagon and made it happen. Im not claiming all the credit ofc, but without me, Killa Seven may well still have been alive and unclaimed. I havent seen you do anything quite as heroic as this. But, please try and prove me wrong. I love those shows where people try stupid stunts which lead to them humiliating themselves.

I dont think you are the lynch today...but you need to be tested tonight...if you really can hide BM, then you have nothing to worry...so why are you panicing now?

I'm not panicking lol. I think the fear you're smelling is your own, kiddo.
The only thing that irritates me, is that Farside is wasting one of her vig shots on something that, at this point in the game is totally unnecessary. There is clearly no pleasing some people. Actually, i just realised, you havent given a reason why you think i'm cult yet.

Fire away hombre. And make it good. If you really wanna f* this town over, i intend to make you work for it.

BM, I would also like to hear your thoughts on TS, please.

No prob. She struck me as scummy in places, due to not meeting her town meta of super-activity. She has been as relentlessly illogical as ever, but in this game, she has failed to follow this up with numbers as you might normally expect. Maybe now with the GF dead she can produce something along these lines. But, overall, there are far better plays atm. I'm quite happy to give her some more time for us to get a better feel for her. She wouldve been a decent N0 vig shot, but with so many scumbags running around, its best we take a punt at them. Hint Hint.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, I don't feel the TSN line of reasoning is pointless, and you just saying "K thx done next please" is limiting discussion because you are being tunnel visioned.

However, I'm going to have to compare CKD's last post to what he was like in House Mafia when I was trying to grill him as scum (and failed). You may have a solid point there.

UROE was replaced in another game I am in, I think a

prod

would be applicable.

As i was the one who replaced him in that game, i second that request. lol

And i can see where you are coming from, but rather than looking at it as me being tunnel-visioned, i prefer to consider it as me helping others to become less tunnel-visioned, which overall cant be bad.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Is this because I think that you might be cult with a posioning ability?

Oh, seriously-Grow up! :X
I'm going to be confirmed tonight anyway, so instead of making yourself look like more of a prat, why dont you contribute to actually lynching scum? By all means, bet on me being cult. Hell, you havent even given 1 reason to suggest the cult is responsible for said poisonings. Its a shame your brain isnt as big as your mouth.

Good old BM…insults when things don’t go your way. If you are tested tonight and you are confirmed Miller by farside…I will gladly admit I am wrong and kiss your virtual feet.

thats a start...but i have a better idea. Seeing as people seem reluctant to see you hang today, we'll have a little wager. You are pretty damn sure i am cult right? Just like im pretty damn sure you are mafia. Well, lets solve 2 problems. If i am not killed tonight, hence proving my role of Hider, you will concede to being lynched tomorrow. Then not only can i leave you be for the rest of the day, but i can also see some discernible good coming out of Farside's vig choice tonight.
Lets face it, if people arent going to listen to me when im virtually confirmed innocent, there isnt alot of point pushing it any more.

Can we get a consensus on this decision please?

BM, you have lead this town to one mislynch after another

lolwut?
As far as i'm aware, we've only had 2 lynches. And one of them was the SK. Oh, but i forgot, the SK isnt scum is he, because you forget that your scumgroup isnt the only 1 out there? rofl

You just slipped.

Oh and ftr, if you are town, i'll be bringing this bitchfest up later. If theres one thing i hate more than being told i suck when i play shit, its being told i suck when im playing ok.

Oh come on, a slip up, jesus your cult ass is stretching.

My cult ass? lawl. You really do seem sure of yourself eh? Im greatly looking forward to seeing your reaction when push comes to shove and you have to put your life on it.

If I recall correctly, you directed the vig to Lowell..(town)

Erm, if i recall correctly, Lowell isnt, and hasnt ever been in this game. -.-
C'mon at least fabricate something realistic.

you lead the pack to a RC lynch (town)

I'm not taking all the blame for that. Armlx had the exact same position as me, and we both supported the lynch on these grounds. Hell, if you'd had the meta we did, youd have done the exact same thing, and you probably know it.

..and attacked both Nem (town) and Xtoxm (town) when they didn’t agree with you.

Oh gee, i argued with some players who turned out to be town. Rofl.
You'd better lock me up and throw away the key, officer Dog. I've been a BAAAD boy.
Oh but before you do that, you might wanna take your medication. 1 dose of

perspective

should do it. Then maybe youd see that ive attacked every posting player at some point in the game (more or less).

Now you are barking up my tree again. I haven’t seen “ok playing” from you yet…

thats WIFOM. Its a criticism based on grounds that are far from proven. We can discuss my performance through private channels once you are dead. In the meantime, PLEASE try and do something worthwhile in your last day.

...and now you are knocking at my door..all based on a meta? When in doubt and you cant put a case together, you have to fall back on a the old meta BS

Woah. A meta is a meta. I know your playstyle pretty well with all the games we've shared. By all means, argue with me. Tell me ive got you wrong. Cite examples. Oh and in case you havent been reading, which is clearly the case, i HAVE given a case for you being scum. You're just too defensive to thrash it out.

BM, care to share with everyone how many times you have called me scum and pushed so hard for my lynch and I have been town versus how many times I have actually been scum? 3-1…and that one is because someone else’s work, not yours. As far as I have seen you haven’t pushed a case…if you have it is nothing more than, “you jumped off a wagon” and I got a meta on you (take my word on it)

You realise people CAN learn from their mistakes right?
Which game do you think your play here compares well to. Go on, give yourself a break.

BM, why are you trying to get farside to vig anyone else but you tonight?

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! are you actually drunk? just a few posts prior to yours, i said im fine with Farside vigging me. Perhaps the more important question is, why are you so desperate for Farside to avoid taking a punt at the Mafia?

You obviously have a hold on farside, because she tends to follow your lead on vig kills….today you have blatantly gone back on wanting to be vigged, now you are leaving little subtle reasons why you shouldn’t be vigged..do I really need to post them?

Ive got a HOLD on Farside? rofl
Aww didums. Im sorry that your attempts to manipulate the Vig arent working.

another slip i guess? Your logic is beyond shite, but ill humour you with the same response i gave earlier. I nailed the SK. I pushed that wagon and made it happen. Im not claiming all the credit ofc, but without me, Killa Seven may well still have been alive and unclaimed. I havent seen you do anything quite as heroic as this. But, please try and prove me wrong. I love those shows where people try stupid stunts which lead to them humiliating themselves.

I was on that lynch too, BM

You were on a lynching wagon? Thats pretty impressive. Its not like a majority of the town had that honour. lmao.

…yesterday, I questioned the wagon that you had yet another meta for

Yet, i seem to recall, you questionning the wagon and yet being reluctant to stay away. It was pretty apparent then that you werent sure how to react with regard the situation.

and attacked the GF….yet you seem to over look this.

No, im not overlooking it. Yep, you showed some suspicion of the GF. The problem im having, CKD, is that scum DO show suspicion of their buddies sometimes. In fact, at the end of the day when the lynch is pretty much decided, its the perfect time to get those distancey comments in. Lets face it, you didnt exactly push him as a lynch candidate. Id hardly even call it an 'attack'.

I dont think you are the lynch today...but you need to be tested tonight...if you really can hide BM, then you have nothing to worry...so why are you panicing now?

I'm not panicking lol. I think the fear you're smelling is your own, kiddo.
The only thing that irritates me, is that Farside is wasting one of her vig shots on something that, at this point in the game is totally unnecessary. There is clearly no pleasing some people. Actually, i just realised, you havent given a reason why you think i'm cult yet.

More subtle directing of farside…and quit role fishing

ME rolefishing? thats a laugh coming from you. rofl

I dont even see where that comment comes from, but if you want to claim now, be my guest.

…unless you think that dismissing 1 cult member probably exist numerous times, leading a lynch on the cult cop, and demanding to know who farside was going to vig yesterday.

Sentence fragment?
I dont understand this paragraph atall. Please put it into english and re-post.

also, your thoughts on why there was no poisoning night 0 or night 1?

Not a clue. Maybe the Cult, maybe a 1-shot role, maybe an actual Poisoner. Possibly a delayed kill by the CR (meaning no cult are necessarily remaining).

No prob. She struck me as scummy in places, due to not meeting her town meta of super-activity. She has been as relentlessly illogical as ever, but in this game, she has failed to follow this up with numbers as you might normally expect. Maybe now with the GF dead she can produce something along these lines. But, overall, there are far better plays atm. I'm quite happy to give her some more time for us to get a better feel for her. She wouldve been a decent N0 vig shot, but with so many scumbags running around, its best we take a punt at them. Hint Hint.

BM

Why would TS have been a good NO kill?

No kill?
wtf are you talking about?
TS would make a good

N0

kill because her contribution in the game isnt exactly doing anything other than sending the town to its downfall.

Ok, enough of BM, next post, non BM related post….if he is going to be tested have some questions for others.

Is that an excuse so you dont have to answer my questions. Nice try. But you still havent answered my biggest question of all. Why do you even think i am scum?

BM

[Battle Mage]

What difference does it make anyway if he could only hide on alternate nights?

He could still prove himself.

Yes, but then on the alternate night, as a proven player, the mafia would then kill him, when he couldn't hide... That's why.

And that's why we should lynch him?

He's guilty to a cult cop, which means he's culted.

I. AM. A. MILLER.
YOU. F*ING. DUMBASS.

[Battle Mage]

Oh no, we want MORE BM!!! Not less!

This whole farside vigging BM to prove that a miller who has been found guilty by the cult cop is indeed a hider, is absolutely preposterous.

Since he can only hide on alternate days, if BM is proven to be a hider-miller, he'll be killed by the mafia for (1) being proven innocent "sort of" or (2) being cult.

Is BM worth all this trouble since he's going to die anyway???

Is any Miller worth all this trouble?

Is any Miller found guilty by a CULT cop worth it?

How this game got to revolve around BM this, and BM that, like a freakin' Miller is the most valuable role ever is making me cry.

*sigh*

I really dont think youve grasped the concept of this role yet. A standard miller is like a townie, but they come up guilty to cop investigations. That includes all types of cops, and occassionally other types of investigative roles. The role works in this fashion. It's rather unintelligent to surmise that a miller would only come up guilty to 1 type of cop, when the whole idea of the role is that it comes up guilty to all night investigation, and seeing as the role would be otherwise kinda pointless seeing as the normal cop died N0.

Anyway, with all due respect, all other games i share with you, focus almost entirely around you until your death. Keep your envy to yourself, and let some of us play for once.

BM

[Battle Mage]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Proof enough for me

Unvote Vote: Battle Mage

[/quote]

see? this is the kinda idiocy that gets caused when a few alleged 'good players' make asses of themselves.

BM

[Battle Mage]

We want to keep a culted miller around???

Anyway, I'm losing it, I tried to find where someone said that BM could hide on alternate nights, and now I can't find it anymore... I think I'll go rinse my dentures in the toaster.

a culted miller? rofl.
THAT would be a humourous turn of events.

[Battle Mage]

^man, i really hope you arent scum. You are just too protown...

BM

[Battle Mage]

[quote="Xtoxm"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Proof enough for me

Unvote Vote: Battle Mage

[/quote]

Have you been paying attention to anything that's been going on??

vote Kal

[/quote]

its my displeasure to report that even IF KScope was being serious, its pretty much a nulltell. If anything, being illogical would be a towntell for him (as i dont recall seeing him as scum).

A Kscope lynch is at best, a random stab in the dark, and atm, we can do much better than that.

BM

[Battle Mage]

bold is me.

Is this because I think that you might be cult with a posioning ability?

Oh, seriously-Grow up! :X
I'm going to be confirmed tonight anyway, so instead of making yourself look like more of a prat, why dont you contribute to actually lynching scum? By all means, bet on me being cult. Hell, you havent even given 1 reason to suggest the cult is responsible for said poisonings. Its a shame your brain isnt as big as your mouth.

Good old BM…insults when things don’t go your way. If you are tested tonight and you are confirmed Miller by farside…I will gladly admit I am wrong and kiss your virtual feet.

thats a start...but i have a better idea. Seeing as people seem reluctant to see you hang today, we'll have a little wager. You are pretty damn sure i am cult right? Just like im pretty damn sure you are mafia. Well, lets solve 2 problems. If i am not killed tonight, hence proving my role of Hider, you will concede to being lynched tomorrow. Then not only can i leave you be for the rest of the day, but i can also see some discernible good coming out of Farside's vig choice tonight.
Lets face it, if people arent going to listen to me when im virtually confirmed innocent, there isnt alot of point pushing it any more.

Can we get a consensus on this decision please?

If I recall correctly, you directed the vig to Lowell..(town)

Erm, if i recall correctly, Lowell isnt, and hasnt ever been in this game. -.-
C'mon at least fabricate something realistic.

LLoyd..you knew who I meant.

No, i didnt. Try getting your facts right pl0x.

you lead the pack to a RC lynch (town)

I'm not taking all the blame for that. Armlx had the exact same position as me, and we both supported the lynch on these grounds. Hell, if you'd had the meta we did, youd have done the exact same thing, and you probably know it.

so you will take credit for the SK lynch, but dont want to take blame for the RC one...typical BM

No, ill take half the blame for pushing the RC lynch. Of course, as you are aware, the circumstances are grossly different. You are just opting to look no further than the surface-which in itself is scummy.

..and attacked both Nem (town) and Xtoxm (town) when they didn’t agree with you.

Oh gee, i argued with some players who turned out to be town. Rofl.
You'd better lock me up and throw away the key, officer Dog. I've been a BAAAD boy.
Oh but before you do that, you might wanna take your medication. 1 dose of

perspective

should do it. Then maybe youd see that ive attacked every posting player at some point in the game (more or less).

to the extent that you attack X and N?

eh?

Now you are barking up my tree again. I haven’t seen “ok playing” from you yet…

thats WIFOM. Its a criticism based on grounds that are far from proven. We can discuss my performance through private channels once you are dead. In the meantime, PLEASE try and do something worthwhile in your last day.

why private channels? like the last game you pushed for my lynched that I turned up town lets talk about it end game in this thread...of course, I think once you have been tested all will really be answered...I forgive you for your insults

lol i am most humbled by your forgiveness....NOT.
Ooi, what was my affiliation in said game? Link?

BM, care to share with everyone how many times you have called me scum and pushed so hard for my lynch and I have been town versus how many times I have actually been scum? 3-1…and that one is because someone else’s work, not yours. As far as I have seen you haven’t pushed a case…if you have it is nothing more than, “you jumped off a wagon” and I got a meta on you (take my word on it)

You realise people CAN learn from their mistakes right?
Which game do you think your play here compares well to. Go on, give yourself a break.

yeah, but you make it sound like you have this great read on me..and again you dont. I kow your attacks feel like those when I claimed mason and you pushed and pushed for the town to hang me (which I was after dumbass town faked claimed)...at least I have the same fustration with you as I did in that game..(of course I thought you were scum then too)

i know i OUGHT to have a great read on you. And vice versa.

BM, why are you trying to get farside to vig anyone else but you tonight?

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! are you actually drunk? just a few posts prior to yours, i said im fine with Farside vigging me. Perhaps the more important question is, why are you so desperate for Farside to avoid taking a punt at the Mafia?

You obviously have a hold on farside, because she tends to follow your lead on vig kills….today you have blatantly gone back on wanting to be vigged, now you are leaving little subtle reasons why you shouldn’t be vigged..do I really need to post them?

Ive got a HOLD on Farside? rofl
Aww didums. Im sorry that your attempts to manipulate the Vig arent working.

My fucking attempts?..Jesus, BM you are rich.

so tempted to sig this.

…yesterday, I questioned the wagon that you had yet another meta for

Yet, i seem to recall, you questionning the wagon and yet being reluctant to stay away. It was pretty apparent then that you werent sure how to react with regard the situation.

I couldnt stay away? Please back this with a quote.

That will require me finding the page where the post was made. If you are willing to do that, ill gladly pick out the choice quotes.

I dont think you are the lynch today...but you need to be tested tonight...if you really can hide BM, then you have nothing to worry...so why are you panicing now?

I'm not panicking lol. I think the fear you're smelling is your own, kiddo.
The only thing that irritates me, is that Farside is wasting one of her vig shots on something that, at this point in the game is totally unnecessary. There is clearly no pleasing some people. Actually, i just realised, you havent given a reason why you think i'm cult yet.

More subtle directing of farside…and quit role fishing

ME rolefishing? thats a laugh coming from you. rofl

I dont even see where that comment comes from, but if you want to claim now, be my guest.

you want me to claim do you?..keep on fishing...tell me BM, am I going to come up posioned tonight?

Believe me, if i had an NK, youd be long dead by now.
Yeh, if youre so keen to breadcrumb, im happy to call your bluff.

…unless you think that dismissing 1 cult member probably exist numerous times, leading a lynch on the cult cop, and demanding to know who farside was going to vig yesterday.

Sentence fragment?
I dont understand this paragraph atall. Please put it into english and re-post.

you said that I havent a case for you being scum(cult)..these are reasons.

Why would TS have been a good NO kill?

No kill?
wtf are you talking about?
TS would make a good

N0

kill because her contribution in the game isnt exactly doing anything other than sending the town to its downfall.

again, dont be a dick, you knew what I meant...also, way to follow the game champ, TS is a replacement.

yes, im aware of that.
Do you really have to be such a patronising sod?
Its ok though, i forgive you for the insults.

Ok, enough of BM, next post, non BM related post….if he is going to be tested have some questions for others.

Is that an excuse so you dont have to answer my questions. Nice try. But you still havent answered my biggest question of all. Why do you even think i am scum?

BM

avoid questions?? I have answered why I think you are scum(cult) please post what other questions you have asked me that I have not answered....

No you havent. Give the case on me now. No ridiculous quote pyramids, and no WIFOM. Just the facts. kthxbai

[Battle Mage]

As stupid as vigging BM may be, that's what farside said she would do, which will confirm his role. Lynching BM is the dumbest thing we could do.

Argh!

What if the scum roleblocks farside because BM is scum and can't really hide, or even to cause mayhem?

Why would they do that? If anything, the mafia would RB me, to prevent me from hiding, and thus i would die regardless of my role.

Why on Earth are we wasting efforts confirming a freakin' miller!!!

maybe because, unlike yourself, i'm actually contributing to getting this town somewhere today.

Millers were created to be lynched. How a miller role ties in with a hider role is just too crazy for me to contemplate. Millers won't be nightkilled to begin with, why on Earth would they need to HIDE? They chances of blowing up are HIGHER if they do hide, than if they sit on their keisters being millers all night and staying home.

and doesnt that just make you cry in your pillow?

And sorry BM, but this so-called miller we wasting time on is BM, ilt's almost as bad as defending DrippingGoofball, I'm sorry, but BM is not Glork, know whadda mean?

I'd back DGB over Glork any day ftr. And BM clearly trumps all.

BM

[Battle Mage]

What if the scum roleblocks farside because BM is scum and can't really hide, or even to cause mayhem?

Hadn't noticed this line...We know that if BM is scum, he is cult, nothing else. With the CL dying N0, and i've never heard of cult starting with something else than a killer and a recruiter...That really sounds stretching.

unvote vote TS

.

Don't like Kale's earlier comment either.

imo, TS brings up a valid point, which could undermine vigging me tonight. With a Mafia GF dead, i could well see there being an RB aswell.

If you guys could please comment on my ultimatum to CKD, thatd be great. In the meantime, i guess we can go with a

Vote: TS

BM

[Battle Mage]

Farside, what would you say if i told you that there was a safer way of confirming me?

[Battle Mage]

heading out the door will respond (AGAIN) tonight or tomorrow time permitting....but saw this and had to comment

Farside, what would you say if i told you that there was a safer way of confirming me?

BM, why dont you just beg her not to test you....you're fine with her testing you tonight my ass....keep squirming BM.

^this kind of comment makes me think we could have a Mafia RB. It certainly explains why CKD and TS are so keen for me to be vigged.

[Battle Mage]

CKD, id rather you commented on something that concerns you, rather than something that does not.

Thanks,
BM

[Battle Mage]

(laughing)...double posting off the same quote now?....squirming....I think this concerns all of the town...I thought you were ok with being tested by a vig...curious how far BM is going to back pedal today.

... are you going to continue to avoid the question i posed to your several pages ago, or are you actually going to post something helpful. Oh and also, arent you meant to be going out? I guess you're so anxious to defend yourself here, its impacting on your real life. Thats squirming, and its pretty sad you take the game that seriously...

But, while you're here, what do you think the odds are of there being a Mafia RB?

BM

[Battle Mage]

its impacting on your real life. Thats squirming, and its pretty sad you take the game that seriously...

That's a direct personal insult, please don't do this BM...

Note - CKD - This is not me trying to stick up for you, I am against that as a whole.

actually, its more fact than insult. Not to mention it was in direct response to a similar comment from CKD himself. You'll excuse me if i dont apologise. I feel a policy of 'give as good as you get' is pretty sound most of the time. Of course, i do kinda feel im fighting a losing battle here.

oh and btw,

Unvote, Vote: TS

last time i forgot to Unvote.

BM

[Battle Mage]

If you guys could please comment on my ultimatum to CKD, thatd be great.

I'll keep your idea in mind for tomorrow, but deciding a lynch before the day begins is stupid.

Still waiting for Peers to do something protown.

yeh i can dig that i guess.

[Battle Mage]

Tar, thats a nice first post and all. What about Van Damien?

[Battle Mage]

BM, what would the easier way to confirm you be?

thats for me (and possibly Farside) to know.

[Battle Mage]

getting beat down with end of the month work...hopefully will have time May 1 to post if needed...(sending this to all my games)

quick reply for this thread.

BM, I have already agreed to conceed to my lynch tomorrow if I am wrong about you...so not only are you back pedalling on being "ok" with being tested, you are backpedalling on that wager too? Add these to the points of why I feel you are cult and should be tested.

As for the Mafia RB, I think there could be one..

will answer the rest when I can.

I wasnt aware you had agreed to that. Maybe i missed it. If you can reference the post, thatd be great thanks.

And much as id like to add something incorrect to a comedy of errors, im afraid, you have neglected to make ANY sort of list of why you think i am scum. Please do so if you want me to think any more of you, not just as far as affiliation goes, but as a player too.

Ok, so you think there could be a Mafia RB. Why then do you want me to be tested, when the mafia RB will almost certainly (except possibly in the event of Farside threatening one of them) block me, and render the whole exercise useless. we end up 1 townie dead and nothing new learnt. ACE!

BM

@Armlx- So, CKD is town eh? Have you played with him when hes been scum, or read in detail any games of his where he has been so? Can you absolutely differentiate between his play as town/scum? And yes, dw, i will be confirmed tonight.

Still waiting on Farside response to my suggestion i think.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage,

You are scum by virtue of Stoofer's Fifth Law that states:

If Battle Mage is still alive on Day 3, he is Scum.

The only thing that 'law' proves is that Stoofer is a self-obsessed moron, who apparently doesnt bother reading many games on site before making sweeping generalisations in a futile attempt to gain both esteem and popularity.

Seriously, dont make me bring Quagmire's First Law into this.

Toaster Strudel is an automatic policy lynch as early as possible during the game. Failure to do this within the first 4 days will result in town loss, unless Toaster Strudel is scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Seriously, dont make me bring Quagmire's First Law into this.

Toaster Strudel is an automatic policy lynch as early as possible during the game. Failure to do this within the first 4 days will result in town loss, unless Toaster Strudel is scum.

Haha, that cracked me up. And you know, Quagmire just craves esteem... even more than Stoof, hahahahaha.

rofl

[Battle Mage]

Mod, Please Prod: Farside, Andycyca

[Battle Mage]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]BM isn't scum. I've got a BM-radar and it isn't ringing.

Vote TheSweatPantsNinja, people.[/quote]

If you know im not scum, you should believe me when i say CKD is the play. Either that, or VanDamien, who is STILL hiding away.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Meh, testing BM now seems like a really bad idea to me. If he's a cult recruit killing people he is going to want to go for cross kills a bit, and the more I look at it the more I doubt scum would have killed animorph last night.

This post deserved putting in Bold, and being given a massive:

QFT

[Battle Mage]

great i fucked up the tags. awesome...

Fixed bro

[Battle Mage]

Ok back updating games..

In reference to post 1977, because the pyramids are getting silly. The reasons I think you are cult AGAIN (some reasons already posted in post 1935)

1.) You lead a lynch on a claim cult cop, based on a meta.

Invalid for the reason given by Armlx, and also because there is no reasonable motive for me wanting to lynch a cult cop, if he had already investigated me. If anything, id probably want to keep him alive, so that his affiliation and role remained unconfirmed.

2.) You have attacked and helped lynch numerous townies, and are currently attacking me (again) based on a meta.

We've only lynched 1 townie all game. But yes, admittedly i was on the wagon. So were you. As far as attacking goes, when you play mafia, you expect to ruffle a few feathers. Im not 100% perfect as far as scumhunting goes. Attacking people is also the best way to get a read on them. For example, my vote on TS atm was not because she is the optimum lynch today, but to gauge reactions, and see who hops on. OMGUS is never a valid reason for a vote. You're batting 0 atm.

3.) You quickly dismiss the idea that we might have a cult member still floating around.

Not true. I quickly dismissed the idea that the poison kill was inherently associated with said cult recruit.

4.) You constantly are trying to direct the vig.

Because i want the Vig to kill people who i think are scum. Kinda logical really. Which begs the question: WHY WERENT YOU? Oh, but wait, im sorry. You

ARE

trying to direct the Vig-in my direction it would seem.

5.) You say you have no problem being tested, but since you have tried to squirm, bargain, and beg to try to get the Vig not to test you.

If there is a Mafia Roleblocker, the test wont work. Hence it is a bad idea. Being CKD, i know you have some issues recognising the presence of new information, but circumstances do change with knowledge. I will be tested tonight, there is no question about that. Just probably not in the way you are hoping.

I cant find where I agreed to the wager, but I AM RIGHT NOW. I am so sure that you are cult at this point, that if farside tests you tonight and you are indeed not cult..I will concede that my scum finding powers are shit and will lay down for my lynch. Fuck I will even put up the first vote..

Deal? Or are you going to try to back out of it somehow?

You got a deal kiddo. Farside WILL confirm me tonight. If she shows up, i'll be able to explain the plan.

Ok, so you think there could be a Mafia RB. Why then do you want me to be tested, when the mafia RB will almost certainly (except possibly in the event of Farside threatening one of them) block me, and render the whole exercise useless. we end up 1 townie dead and nothing new learnt. ACE!

Keep squirming and back pedaling. Why don’t you want to be confirmed BM?

You raise a good point here. What do I gain by being deemed 'confirmed'? apart from it shutting you and TS up ofc?
I'll be totally honest, i actually dont care whether im absolutely confirmed or not. If anything, i'd say its better if i stay semi-confirmed.

Why do you think if we have a mafia RB that they would target you anyway? There has to be other power roles out there, why would they waste an RB on a miller?

I doubt we have many power roles left tbh. A Mafia RB would be mad not to target me. If they think im a cult recruit with a kill, then theyll want to stop me NKing again. If they believe im a hider, then theyll want to stop me hiding, thus allowing Farside to Vig me. Pretty obvious really.

Especially if it is known that the vig is going to test the miller claim. If you the claimed miller/hider dies anyway, then that RB is exposed.

Umm no, the IDENTITY of the RB is not exposed. Just the existence of such a role. What an atrocity eh? The town finds out the scum have a Roleblocker. SO MUCH USELESS INFORMATION.... 0.o

If you really are a hider/miller and you are tested but you still die anyway..then a.) we find out there really is a mafia RB and b.) it might give credit to your attack on me.

I doubt 'b' will happen in practice. Im not sure why you would even want it to. 'a' does not really help anyone.

At this point, you being tested really is most lose/lose for me if you really are a miller.

1.) you are tested and hide, I have already agreed to be lynched tomorrow.
2.) You are tested and hide, and die anyway. Makes me look guilty as hell. I will still agree to the wager though…

If you really are a hider/miller, you should have no reason to not want to be tested.

To be quite honest, you have absolutely no grounds to think i am cult atm. Ive looked at your 'case' objectively, and you have bugger all. If you are town, let me take this time to once again emphasise how two-dimensionally stupid you have been.

I am willing to put my ass on the line for tomorrow’s lynch. I think you are cult.

Going to back out?

You wish!

Argh!

What if the scum roleblocks farside because BM is scum and can't really hide, or even to cause mayhem?

Why on Earth are we wasting efforts confirming a freakin' miller!!!

Millers were created to be lynched. How a miller role ties in with a hider role is just too crazy for me to contemplate. Millers won't be nightkilled to begin with, why on Earth would they need to HIDE? They chances of blowing up are HIGHER if they do hide, than if they sit on their keisters being millers all night and staying home.

Why are we spending time on this? There are cops, masons, trackers, who knows, USEFUL roles that need to be confirmed/protected etc.

This has to be the scummiest post I have seen in this game.

did you not read the first 75 pages or something? 0.o

I think we have mafia with TS and a cult in BM

Vote TS

Thats what i was waiting for.

Unvote: TS

BM

[Battle Mage]

TS keeps pushing on BM without anything MORE. And stil hasn't explained why she even mentioned a RB

this is true. Although she was right to mention an RB, especially in light of the GF.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Seriously, would it be too much to ask for one of you to explain yourselves?

Yes. You need to defend yourself first.

Lawl. Xtoxm- Tough on scum. Tougher on townies who look like scum.

1.) you are tested and hide, I have already agreed to be lynched tomorrow.

I don't agree with this...If you are town you shouldn't risk sacrificing yourself...And your point 5 on BM is an overstatement to say the least...

again, i disagree with you Xtoxm. Ive wagered on someone being scum in several newbie games in the past. Admittedly theyve yet to pay off once, but if you're sure, it can make for a really persuasive arguments. If he DIDNT agree, we'd have had confirmation that he was BSing. He did what we forced him to do.

BM

[Battle Mage]

1.) you are tested and hide, I have already agreed to be lynched tomorrow.

I don't agree with this...If you are town you shouldn't risk sacrificing yourself...And your point 5 on BM is an overstatement to say the least...

is it really? do you want me to quote ALL of the posts that Bm has tried to back out of being tested?

"If I am town, I shouldnt risk..." statement is silly...I am town, wanted to rid us of scum(cult)..BM proposed the wager, but you didnt call him on that?

At this point, I really dont care...I am calling BM's bluff..I will gladly be lynched if I am wrong, trust me, it wont hurt the town that much. I want to see if BM will back out of this too

I really REALLY hope you are scum. Ima wet myself laughing when this blows up in your face. rofl
You're so obviously Mafia its untrue. You arent even PRETENDING to look like you want to hunt them.

BM

[Battle Mage]

btw, Vandamiens replacement request is even scummier.

Vote: VanDamien

why the hell isnt he dead yet?

BM

[Battle Mage]

^because he claimed certainty of me being scum. Obviously when push came to shove, he couldnt backtrack to that extent, so he had to agree.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You raise a good point here. What do I gain by being deemed 'confirmed'? apart from it shutting you and TS up ofc?
I'll be totally honest, i actually dont care whether im absolutely confirmed or not. If anything, i'd say its better if i stay semi-confirmed.

Because as a confirmed hider you can get yourself to endgame by hiding each night, probably, and it'd be very useful. Although it could start to get harder towards the end.

Why is it better you stay semi-confirmed? I love being confirmed.

if im confirmed, i cant illicit reactions from people in quite the same way.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i doubt that, in light of how many idiots want me lynched in my current state.

BM

[Battle Mage]

How the heck do we know if there is RB or anything. No one knows it.
I think that lynching BM is a waste of time and this is getting beyond WIFOM

unvote:
vote: TS

die scum die

Yeah, yeah, point to anyy game where you thought I'm town, or that you didn't try to have me lynched. Maybe you should pay attention and try to read players? Just an idea.

What would happen if you were roleblocked? Or something else came between you and that precious miller?

Why do you reject the possibility?

Why do you ignore the possibility that BM may be scum, survivor, who knows what else?

Can I just say that I only found you as scum in one game thus far and I was right. Most games I just think you are weird and somewhat exaggerated. Confirm vote for me. I disagree with you BM, TS is not town.

ive never seen TS as town, so i dont have anything great to compare her to. What i will say is, i'm not atall convinced she is the best play for today, but i'll back you on this, as long as you promise to give me the BOD tonight. Ill explain more later. Id just like some confirmation that you would be willing to engage in such a strategem.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Disagree with the replacement request being scummy. Prob fell way too behind, doesn't have time, etc aka null tell.

I highly doubt it. In my experience, townies in that instance will keep up with the game for a lot longer, at least until they are forced to reread. VanDamien could see he was under some pressure, and didnt want to face it. Ive been on the other side of this scumtell several times in the past-i know exactly how it works. kthxbai.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Meh, testing BM now seems like a really bad idea to me. If he's a cult recruit killing people he is going to want to go for cross kills a bit, and the more I look at it the more I doubt scum would have killed animorph last night.

This post deserved putting in Bold, and being given a massive:

QFT

Are you serious? We shouldn't test you now, because if you are cult with a NK that is useful to town? Even if you do turn out to be some kind of tame scum we keep around for a while we need to know about it immediately. We might not be able to test you later.

I mean the other bits.

[Battle Mage]

Meh, testing BM now seems like a really bad idea to me. If he's a cult recruit killing people he is going to want to go for cross kills a bit, and the more I look at it the more I doubt scum would have killed animorph last night.

This post deserved putting in Bold, and being given a massive:

QFT

Are you serious? We shouldn't test you now, because if you are cult with a NK that is useful to town? Even if you do turn out to be some kind of tame scum we keep around for a while we need to know about it immediately. We might not be able to test you later.

Don't throw that rolleyes at me young man . If you just meant the other bits, then just quote/bold the other bits. If you quote the entire post in bold with a big QFT, then we have to assume you mean ALL the bits.

I mean the other bits.

Alright granddad. Keep your wig on.

[Battle Mage]

Disagree with the replacement request being scummy. Prob fell way too behind, doesn't have time, etc aka null tell.

I highly doubt it. In my experience, townies in that instance will keep up with the game for a lot longer, at least until they are forced to reread. VanDamien could see he was under some pressure, and didnt want to face it. Ive been on the other side of this scumtell several times in the past-i know exactly how it works. kthxbai.

BM

I'd assume mafia would stay in longer given that they can realistically afford to miss more of the game.

I dont think so. Townies who are disinterested in a game will occassionally pop up and make their presence known. They will probably be more active when they are forced to defend themselves (something that doesnt require them to read the thread). Scum, on the other hand are less likely to pop up and emphasise that they are lurking, and if attacked, are even LESS likely to post, because they dont really know what is going on, and often dont have a defence for their lurking/scummy play.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Meh, testing BM now seems like a really bad idea to me. If he's a cult recruit killing people he is going to want to go for cross kills a bit, and the more I look at it the more I doubt scum would have killed animorph last night.

This post deserved putting in Bold, and being given a massive:

QFT

Are you serious? We shouldn't test you now, because if you are cult with a NK that is useful to town? Even if you do turn out to be some kind of tame scum we keep around for a while we need to know about it immediately. We might not be able to test you later.

Don't throw that rolleyes at me young man . If you just meant the other bits, then just quote/bold the other bits. If you quote the entire post in bold with a big QFT, then we have to assume you mean ALL the bits.

I mean the other bits.

Alright granddad. Keep your wig on.

You haven't addressed what Whome requested...

yes i have. If not, im sure he'd have told me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Well, I read this as a request:

If you just meant the other bits, then just quote/bold the other bits. If you quote the entire post in bold with a big QFT, then we have to assume you mean ALL the bits.

I dont see how that can possibly be construed as a request. It was quite clearly an attempt at a lecture, albeit tongue in cheek.

BM

[Battle Mage]

right... ^.-

[Battle Mage]

even so, his play is more than scummy enough to warrant a lynch. Is there alot of point him being replaced (aside for claiming)?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Okay I was finally able to read through some thing. Yeah me!

quote: BM: Farside, what would you say if i told you that there was a safer way of confirming me?

Care to explain?

In due time, my friend, in due time. For now, i simply want to know whether you would be willing to give me the benefit of the doubt on the proviso that i would be able to confirm myself as town?

CKD: 5.) You say you have no problem being tested, but since you have tried to squirm, bargain, and beg to try to get the Vig not to test you.

This is rediculous. With TS's comment a part of me hesitates to attack BM now. (Thanks for pointing out a possible RB TS and giving scum ideas )
Something about the way CKD has been acting I agree with BM. He says he is will to bow down tomorrow, but today looks good to me.

unvote:
vote: CKD

What is BOD?

Benefit of the doubt.

BM

[Battle Mage]

xtoxm: Role claim != nothing in my universe. Where are you from?

England

Like I said, that wasn't specific to VD...It was general...Um, yeh...I hadn't actually considered the roleclaim...Lol...I guess I figured that would come before the concensus is reached.

I don't usually advocate lynches without roleclaims.

*salutes flag*

We love you Xtoxm!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I checked his isolation and didn't find him scummy...What about his play didn't you like?

I'm going to read through his posts now, and ill get back to you in a sec.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, vote TS.

Not only is the BM case weak, its also very much in mafia's interest to pursue it, accurate or no.

do you mean BM's case against VD or the case that BM must be tested tonight?

neither. I think he means TS's case for lynching me. As far as im aware, i havent presented the case on VD yet. Will get to that in a minute.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok back home…

Reading the thread.

Ugh, the vig has voted me…jesus Christ, BM has you wrapped around his finger. Farside, you honestly don’t see how BM is pleading for you not to test him tonight? Every other post he is trying to back out of it or come up with some other way that he doesn’t want to explain to anyone.

...I really wish you'd shut up. If there was a way for me to contact Farside privately, thatd be great, but unfortunately there isnt. I'll need to run this by the Mod first, but hopefully my plan will confirm me before you have to submit your Vig choice anyway, so if it happens, you'll know not to shoot me. If it doesnt, then you can shoot me.

Fair?

I agreed to the wager with BM…if you test him tonight, and he avoids your vig likes he wants everyone to believe, I will concede to my lynch tomorrow…and will not argue with anyone about it. That is how certain I am he is cult/posioner. Lynch my ass tomorrow, if you got to, but at least test BM tonight.

yeh, i guess we can lynch you today. Im not totally convinced you are scum, but frankly, we're gonna have to lynch you at some point soon anyway, and im happy to do it today, as opposed to making Farside waste a Vig-shot on you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

TS, stop distracting me with your scumminess. Peers is the one who must die, not you. You can die tomorrow. I'd bet a nickel that you're scum, but I've got a quarter on Peers already.

gee, last of the big spender's here.

[Battle Mage]

Okay, I've read the past few pages, and I have some questions.

When did we start assuming that there was only one cop? Like, in BM's post here:

I really dont think youve grasped the concept of this role yet. A standard miller is like a townie, but they come up guilty to cop investigations. That includes all types of cops, and occassionally other types of investigative roles. The role works in this fashion. It's rather unintelligent to surmise that a miller would only come up guilty to 1 type of cop, when the whole idea of the role is that it comes up guilty to all night investigation, and seeing as the role would be otherwise kinda pointless seeing as the normal cop died N0.

You're assuming that there was only one cop, and the logic also doesn't make much sense in the last part, since you're implying that you are also showing up guilty to cult cop investigations just because the cop died N0.

You mean, you think that in addition to a Cult-Cop and a normal Cop, we have an additional investigative role?

Also, BM, why do you flip around with sarcasm and seriousness a lot? Is it normally in your playstyle?

[seriousness]I dont know what you mean.[/sarcasm]

[Battle Mage]

BM's logic is flawed, but he is still arguing for the right side.

Orly? How is my logic flawed, oh great Armlx?

[Battle Mage]

Now you all can just STFU about it.

Um..What was that about...I was exactly pressing the matter...I accepted it...

then the comment wasnt directed at you. -.-

[Battle Mage]

Also, if we could lynch armlix, and he came up scum, we would see BM as practically confirmed, yet another reason for an armlix lynch (not to tunnel vision, but yeah...he's tunnel visioning BM...)

its a nice idea, but my worry would be that should Armlx come up town, it would lead to a subsequent mislynch, this time of me, and the scum gain a major advantage.

BM

Townies can make mistakes. Scum won't tunnel vision other scum, but townies can tunnel vision other townies. This is a one-way link--

if armlix is scum, you are town

, but if he's town, you're undecided.

Baloney, and craplogic. If armlx is scum, then BM is either town, or a different scumgroup, or running a clever gambit. We at least three killers, and almost certainly 2 of them are different scum groups, if not all three. Armlx's alignment says nothing about BM, either way.

One issue i notice with the case on VD, is this post. It isnt really consistent with him and Khelv being scumbuddies. Thoughts?

[Battle Mage]

Please 'splain Rosso's guilty on him first.

Cult also = scum.

Vote: Battle Mage

This post is just dense opportunism.

Well crap, the new jobs been draining me. Here I am.

when i die, please vig BM tonight and lynch XTom tomorrow. That is the word.

even though if you are town, i am confirmed town?

You really are stupid aren't you... >.>

BM

No, you're not.

It is in the interests of scum to avoid protown players being deemed 'confirmed'. Xtoxm has seen me exhibit this in spectacular fashion recently.

Anyway, admittedly, the case isnt as strong as i thought, and i think there may be a better play for today. I'll keep reading.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Lollercoaster. I just spotted something. I couldve sworn i thought Dahill was town earlier, but upon a reread of his posts in isolation, i'm seeing SCUM written all over him.

Unvote, Vote: Dahill1

Let the bandwagon roll!

BM

[Battle Mage]

I think leaving TSPN alone for now is a good idea. I dont think we have enough on him to risk lynching a strong protown contributor atm, and im thinking that maybe the scum will do the work for us in sorting through the experienced players.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You mean, you think that in addition to a Cult-Cop and a normal Cop, we have an additional investigative role?

No, shouldn't there normally be more than one cop in a game this size? I might be wrong, but that's what I thought.

Sometimes. Not always.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hey man. Welcome to the funhouse.
Unlucky with who you replaced. Anyway, basically the main thing you need to know is that i'm a Miller-Hider who is confirmed non-Mafia. Some people are pushing the argument that i am Cult, and that the Vig (Farside) should take a pop at me tonight to confirm me. Also, we are currently bandwagonning Dahill.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Catching-Up Stuff:

I could be totally wrong here, but how could you be cult? The cult leader was killed night zero, meaning he only got one night's worth of recruitment, which was apparently Rosso.

How do we know you're confirmed

town

Non-Mafia (does this mean protown, or just not in a group with the dead GF)?

Because a Cult-Cop got a guilty on me, meaning i am either who i originally claimed, or part of a Cult.

Any particular reason we're bandwagoning Dahill (besides scuminess)?

Scumminess is more than enough reason for a BW.

Why is it unlucky that I replaced whatshisface?

Because his play before he flaked out was pretty dubious.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Sorry, my post was incredibly unclear.

The point I was trying to make was: Even giving BM the benefit of the doubt - saying that Rosso would turn up guilty on millers - this would not suggest BM's innocence; it would just be neutral. Hence, when BM said:

Anyway, basically the main thing you need to know is that i'm a Miller-Hider who is confirmed non-Mafia.

... the "non-Mafia" part is baseless and therefore scummy.

Capice?

I really wish people would stop ending their posts with 'capice' or something similar. It's nearly as cliche'd as WIFOM.

I dont really understand what you are getting at here though. What part of me being confirmed 'Non-Mafia' is baseless, when clearly i must either be Cult or Town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

It's nearly as cliche'd as WIFOM.

Or initials....

that wouldve worked better if you had quoted an example. Credit for the idea, but none for the implementation.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hang your head in shame.

[Battle Mage]

Initials are fine, capiche?

-DH

I like the sentiment, but im not taking my vote off you, because you used the word 'capiche'.

BM

Also, HI SURYE!

[Battle Mage]

It is in the interests of scum to avoid protown players being deemed 'confirmed'. Xtoxm has seen me exhibit this in spectacular fashion recently.

Lol

Does this mean you do want to be confirmed now? You said earlier it was bad for you to be confirmed.

Not atall. Simply what im saying is, from a scum perspective, me being confirmed is very bad.

Anyway, admittedly, the case isnt as strong as i thought, and i think there may be a better play for today.

I'd agree here. I've had it before when I thought someone was really scummy and a reread of them puts them in a better light.

I've had it multiple times in this game alone! lol

How millers would interact with Rosso's role is very much up for debate.

Well BM said he'd been guilty to both, and that's kinda what i'd expect from a miller.[/quote]

Not to mention the Mod supported this aswell, according to Rosso.

Yeah, thats about where I am. I just don't feel its strong enough to lynch or waste a vig kill on him right now.

I disagree, confirming someone town isn't a waste.

I dont think anyone claimed it had NO good points. We're just saying that the rewards dont equal the costs of confirming me.

I dont really understand what you are getting at here though. What part of me being confirmed 'Non-Mafia' is baseless, when clearly i must either be Cult or Town.

Yes, which is useful, but elimating the cult part there would be even more useful.

Again, you are right, but in a way i feel inclined to disagree. Obviously there is some benefit to me being MORE confirmed in theory, but in practice, i think it will make f-all difference.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Ok, if I have missed any question, please repost.

Why are we not hanging TS?

Not enough active people.

How are any of these posts helpful?

The point of the role Miller is to show up guilty to investigations. In general. Not just sane cops that detect mafia ones.

Yes! That's why we should gear our strategy around the survival of this precious role that cannot possibly backfire. I'm on board with the rest of you guys.

You imply that you think he's telling the truth...That's the opposite to what you've been arguing.

I do! BM would never lie, I agree with everyone. I don't know what I was thinking before.

But that is irrelevent if he's telling the truth about the hider part, which can be cleared.

Yes, it must be true, and let's clear him, because "miller" and "hider" are super pro-town roles, more than doctor or cop even, the "clear" won't be tainted at all by the miller/hider part of it! I was wrong. I admit it.

I don't think most people get why I think BM is not scum or some cult. Those who are up for not reading and really looking at things might get it. I hate to say this, but the second reason I killed Xtoxm was because BM thought he was town even though he didn't really say anything that sound town to me. I figured in my mind BM was protecting him for a reason so I killed him to see if that was true. Well Xtoxm turned out to be vanilla and BM was right. Now you all can just STFU about it.
Thank you.

what does any of this have to do with BM not being cult?

So, there is still some mystery way to confirm BM as miller that he hasn’t told anyone yet (as far as I can see)…can you please explain?

ROFL!!


No.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Again, you are right, but in a way i feel inclined to disagree. Obviously there is some benefit to me being MORE confirmed in theory, but in practice, i think it will make f-all difference.

Ah - I've finally seen what the stance on this is about. That it's not worth spending a town NK on confirming you town.

You know, it's helps if you explain stuff sometimes, rather than just saying that you don't want to be confirmed.

I guess confirming you would be meaningless if the remaining cult dies before mafia.

(Unless i'm missing something) You think that's liekly?

yeh, thats assuming we even have a cult members remaining.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Sorry for my inactivity...I'm gonna take a look at Toaster Strudel. But for the time being, my suspicions stay on Battle Mage.

In my opinion, it is painfully obvious that Battle Mage is some sort of anti town character. But I'm hesitant to place a vote, because we thought the same about Rosso Carne, and look where that got us...

Anyway, on to my reread. Cheers!

ooh good. Some fun!

Please explain why you think i am scum. Or perhaps more importantly, why you refer to me as 'some sort of anti-town character' when i can be neither SK or Mafia. You are basically hoping that we not only have a Cult member remaining, but that i am it?

If that isnt laughable enough, you havent given a single reason to think that my play has been indicative of scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

OK, I lied, I did more of a quick skim-over than a reread, but it gave me enough info. I don't think Toaster Strudel is anti-town. Except for a few contradictory statements in the middle, about how Battle Mage is town because RC was, and then voting for him, instead, TS lead me to two other players:

Lloyd - There is something fishy about this character. I can just feel it.

VanDamien - I'm rereading him to see where the case to lynch him came from.

But...

Vote: Battle Mage

I think we know why.

No we don't. Quit kidding around and make a serious vote. Or, make up some bs reasoning behind your vote on me. Its your call. I just really hate people like you who dont really participate.

Also, you wont like the case on VD. It concerns his ridiculous attacks on me. If anything, he should be your best friend. That you think otherwise, is alarming.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not quite sure I understand the reasoning why you can't be either.

OMFG. READ THE GAME. Rosso was a Cult-Cop. He got a guilty on me. The Mod confirmed that meant that i had to be either cult-affiliated, or miller (as i had claimed from the start).

Xtoxm-see what i mean about scum HATING confirmed townies?



BM

[Battle Mage]

Again, you are right, but in a way i feel inclined to disagree. Obviously there is some benefit to me being MORE confirmed in theory, but in practice, i think it will make f-all difference.

Ah - I've finally seen what the stance on this is about. That it's not worth spending a town NK on confirming you town.

You know, it's helps if you explain stuff sometimes, rather than just saying that you don't want to be confirmed.

I guess confirming you would be meaningless if the remaining cult dies before mafia.

(Unless i'm missing something) You think that's liekly?

yeh, thats assuming we even have a cult members remaining.

BM

Yeh, but it looks very likely there's a cult killer, with the poison, by the sounds of it.

Didn't like skitzer's post there.

Me neither. Shall we bandwagon him?

I'll give Surye and Pie a ring. They can help us put a bit of pressure on him, so he doesnt hide away and lurk.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok, you got it.

Unvote, Vote: Skitzer

OMGIS!

Save him a reread in any case.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yes, but there is still that dreadful possibility that you are cult, and as long as that possibility remains...well, your the main suspect for that.

I hope for your sake this was sarcasm.

1. If i am cult, so what? I'd be alone, so i wouldnt be a threat for a good few days yet. Even in the worst case scenario, of me being cult with a kill, lynching me today is STILL a poor idea with an entire mafia team out there.

2. Why am i the main suspect for being Cult? Because thats the only thing you can set me up for? Rofl.

Poison did not show up until last night. Poison, which is likely a delayed method of death, would fit well with the delayed cult. Therefore, it is a very good possibilty that the cult member is still cult, and as BM being an experienced player, it is likely that the cult recruiter may have chosen him.

In fairness, this is fairly decent reasoning. It's wrong, and highly circumstantial, but hell-i'd have expected to be amongst those considered for recruit N0, if the cult could recruit (which is again, not exactly confirmed).

Yes, we have had this discussion. But not discussing it anymore doesn't make the cult member go away. It's not that simple.

you still havent assessed my play atall. I dont see why you are so keen to attack the Cult recruit anyway- IF WE EVEN HAVE ONE. It stinks of Mafia, trying to look good by ridding someone they think could be another anti-town role. You want vengeance for the death of the GF? roflmao

So far, your case on me is that, if the cult could recruit on N0, and if a Miller was even deemed recruitable (which i believe is a bit unlikely), i might have been in his top 3 candidates.

It's like you are

2-Dimensional Man

. You can only see whats on the surface, and never look any deeper, hence you get a very distorted view of simple things.



BM

*2-Dimensional Man is a registered trademark of Battle Mage-Jordan Inc.
Patent Pending.

[Battle Mage]

Yes, but there is still that dreadful possibility that you are cult, and as long as that possibility remains...well, your the main suspect for that.

Poison did not show up until last night. Poison, which is likely a delayed method of death, would fit well with the delayed cult. Therefore, it is a very good possibilty that the cult member is still cult, and as BM being an experienced player, it is likely that the cult recruiter may have chosen him.

Yes, we have had this discussion. But not discussing it anymore doesn't make the cult member go away. It's not that simple.

So, you have seen the discussion, and still want to lynch BM.

He can be confirmed.

You sound a lot like TS.

no, because I can understand stupidity from TS. Also, i think she realised that lynching me was a bad idea for the town. She just wanted to cause trouble. Skitzer on the other hand, appears to be genuinely scummy in his approach.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yes, but there is still that dreadful possibility that you are cult, and as long as that possibility remains...well, your the main suspect for that.

Poison did not show up until last night. Poison, which is likely a delayed method of death, would fit well with the delayed cult. Therefore, it is a very good possibilty that the cult member is still cult, and as BM being an experienced player, it is likely that the cult recruiter may have chosen him.

Yes, we have had this discussion. But not discussing it anymore doesn't make the cult member go away. It's not that simple.

hey I agree with you I think his ass is cult..however, I have been wrong before. If he IS telling the truth then he is quite is really useful to us battling mafia and keeping them on their toes. Today we shoul dbe focusing on lynch mafia, not cult. This is why I suggest he be tested tonight (by the vig) not lynched today...there is no reason to lynch BM today..there is every reason to test him tonight though.

Skitzer, why is it better to lynch BM today over testing him tonight?

oh look. The boy BACKTRACKS.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You liar. You're not a miller, your a rolecop. Now my role has been revealed to everyone. Good job.

In seriousness, if you are cult, getting rid of you gets rid of one kill, while a whole mafia team can be rid one person and still kill.

true, but the Mafia is the greater immediate threat to town victory.

You still havent endeavoured to answer my other questions.

BM

[Battle Mage]

what have I backtracked on?..your ass should be tested tonight..not lynched today..when I have said anything different?

for once you seem to be defending me, despite thinking i am cult. Its interesting to see you put forward the possibility of you being wrong for the first time today, when confronted with someone even more aggressive, and incorrect than yourself.

Also, why does everything have to be about my ass. I mean, i appreciate the sentiment, but if its all the same, i'd rather you didnt go there.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not sure about the recruitability level of a miller, but power roles are usually unrecruitable, I see no reason for that to differ here. So the hider part can render the miller part obsolete. Assuming you tell the truth.

Xtoxm, would

I

lie to

you

?

[Battle Mage]

ckd: everyone has been wrong. But sometimes, you are right. Maybe it is a smarter idea to "test" him tonight.

Unvote

[sarcasm]you gotta love me, I'm as swingy as 70s disco revival![/sarcasm]

Well, now I will focus my attention on Lloyd and VanDamien.

oh joy. Again with the 'not reading'. You voting for VD (now Pie) would be the biggest hypocrisy ever. What brought you to suspecting Lloyd?

Fyi, i still want to see your responses to my questions. Your retraction of your vote does not mean you did not accuse me once, and i want to hear your evidence. Doing a PBPA of me should be great fun.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Shoot, I forgot to answer your question, BM.

I don't need much to find you cult-y, it's basically all summed in your odd claim, Rosso Carne's role and investigations, and the stuff I mentioned earlier about poisoning.

so, there isnt much of a case then. In fact, you dont find my PLAY scummy atall? You just suspect me because of WIFOM type things, that are beyond my control, like my role, Rosso's stupidity, and the behaviour of the CR.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ckd: everyone has been wrong. But sometimes, you are right. Maybe it is a smarter idea to "test" him tonight.

Unvote

[sarcasm]you gotta love me, I'm as swingy as 70s disco revival![/sarcasm]

Well, now I will focus my attention on Lloyd and VanDamien.

Um..Isn't Lloyd kinda dead...

maybe he respawned like so many others....

[Battle Mage]

what have I backtracked on?..your ass should be tested tonight..not lynched today..when I have said anything different?

for once you seem to be defending me, despite thinking i am cult. Its interesting to see you put forward the possibility of you being wrong for the first time today, when confronted with someone even more aggressive, and incorrect than yourself.

Also, why does everything have to be about my ass. I mean, i appreciate the sentiment, but if its all the same, i'd rather you didnt go there.

BM

ha.

my thoughts are that you are cult/poisoner. The whole reason you should be tested tonight and not lynched today is because you COULD BE a hider. It is for the good of the town not to lynch you today, but it is also for the good of the town to test you tonight.

right...

Where is Mnowax?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Fyi, i still want to see your responses to my questions. Your retraction of your vote does not mean you did not accuse me once, and i want to hear your evidence. Doing a PBPA of me should be great fun.

Heh, liked that one.

<3 Xtoxm. Flattery gets you everywhere. Unless you are scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ckd: everyone has been wrong. But sometimes, you are right. Maybe it is a smarter idea to "test" him tonight.

that isnt up to you and me..that is up to farside.

this is true. Dont worry, i'll be sure that she is briefed before we go to night.


Also, lets keep posting rapidly. My post count is SOARING.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Shoot, I forgot to answer your question, BM.

I don't need much to find you cult-y, it's basically all summed in your odd claim, Rosso Carne's role and investigations, and the stuff I mentioned earlier about poisoning.

so, there isnt much of a case then. In fact, you dont find my PLAY scummy atall? You just suspect me because of WIFOM type things, that are beyond my control, like my role, Rosso's stupidity, and the behaviour of the CR.

BM

Your odd claim is the main basis of my doubt for you, but I can see the feasability of a such role being present. Having you confirmed would be nice.

Well only Farside can do that.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ckd: everyone has been wrong. But sometimes, you are right. Maybe it is a smarter idea to "test" him tonight.

that isnt up to you and me..that is up to farside.

this is true. Dont worry, i'll be sure that she is briefed before we go to night.


Also, lets keep posting rapidly. My post count is SOARING.

BM

I am so going to catch you. Totally.

eh? now im lost.
lol

[Battle Mage]

Skitzer, stop being stupid.

QFT

[Battle Mage]

There's no point lynching BM, this discussion's been had.

There may have been a point before he claimed hider AND the godfather had died AND he had a cult only cop show him as cult while he claimed miller before the cult would have presumably kicked in.

As for the BM = likely to be recruited, WIFOM.

As far as skitzer goes, thx for the help here.

So people I want dead list:
skitzer
TSN
Peers
dahill1
TS

Peers and TS are fairly default though, other 3 are the real suspects.

You gonna vote for Skitzer then? We need to be like the town we began as. An agile, graceful lynch mob, who could run someone up to -2 in 24 hours, and then be on the next suspicious player in 10.

[Battle Mage]

Shoot, I forgot to answer your question, BM.

I don't need much to find you cult-y, it's basically all summed in your odd claim, Rosso Carne's role and investigations, and the stuff I mentioned earlier about poisoning.

so, there isnt much of a case then. In fact, you dont find my PLAY scummy atall? You just suspect me because of WIFOM type things, that are beyond my control, like my role, Rosso's stupidity, and the behaviour of the CR.

BM

Your odd claim is the main basis of my doubt for you, but I can see the feasability of a such role being present. Having you confirmed would be nice.

Well only Farside can do that.

BM

Yeh I know.

It's her decision, ultimately.

But there are other people i'd want to focus on first.

Seeing as you are confirmed non-mafia and all.

Oh, she will confirm me tonight, dont you worry.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ckd: everyone has been wrong. But sometimes, you are right. Maybe it is a smarter idea to "test" him tonight.

that isnt up to you and me..that is up to farside.

this is true. Dont worry, i'll be sure that she is briefed before we go to night.


Also, lets keep posting rapidly. My post count is SOARING.

BM

I am so going to catch you. Totally.

eh? now im lost.
lol

I was refering to the post count part

I bet i'll overtake MoS, before you get into the top 5.
Actually i dont think i have the highest post per day rate anymore. I was about 0.2 ppd away when i last checked. Hopefully this should move me back into poll position.

BM

[Battle Mage]

damnit. You're right! And its harder for me to increase mine, having been here nearly a year longer.

Young upstarts...

[Battle Mage]

E-penis fights are funny, but lets get back to lynching one of TSN/dahill/skitzer.

Vote for Skitzer NOW. Bloomin idiot. lol

[Battle Mage]

I thought I had that in my last relevant post. Guess it disappeared when I was reordering it to make sense.

Unvote, Vote Skitzer

A likely story!

[Battle Mage]

Me neither. Shall we bandwagon him?

I'll give Surye and Pie a ring. They can help us put a bit of pressure on him, so he doesnt hide away and lurk.

Yeah. No.

I kind of despise LurkerLynching with a fiery passion.

Its not lurkerlynching. Its giving someone a few votes in order to ensure that they dont simply lurk their way out of trouble. We need some momentum, and the only way we have that, is with a bit of reckless bandwagonning.

As for the BM = likely to be recruited, WIFOM.

You might totally be right here, but I'm not seeing it. How would the cult's night-zero recruit be impacted by WIFOM-type things

before

the town knew the cult existed?

--------

-If you still think BM might be scum, you have not been reading the game. And by that I mean, you most likely do not follow the miller logic, and also you suck at analysis and/or have not read his posts over the last few days. And by that I mean, you're a moron.

-It is a waste of a perfectly good vigkill to test him tonight (It would be a waste of a vigkill to test him even if he wasn't flamingly protown). A vigkill is, on average, about as accurate as a lynch. Remember that, children.

-I mentioned this awhile ago and nobody really commented: Hurry up and massclaim, people.

-There is no case against TS, for those of you who have a meta on TS.

-

Vote: CKDScum

. I am voting for CKDScum because he is scum, and as a result his posts have been scummy. CKDScum, you may attempt (and inevitably fail) to show innocence by answering these questions:

1) Excluding me (Pie) and you (CKDScum), which player is most likely protown but also hurting the town the most?
2) What's the scummiest post you've made all game, and why?
3) If you were currently mafia, what would your strategy be?

Please, nobody answer these questions until CKDScum does.

Wow. i always dreamed of the day i would be defended by a legend
If i could sig the entire post, i would.

BM

[Battle Mage]

hi hows everyone doing? i am supposedly replacing into this game, i just dont know who. will be starting the rereading soon. this one is trying to beat kingmaker II in posts, huh?

hey dude. I think ur replacing UROE (the only guy left who hasnt been replaced). Welcome to the game!

BM

[Battle Mage]

TSPN-do you think we should massclaim here?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Armlx's 3 step plan for dealing with lurkers:
Step 1: Get the mod to prod them.
Step 2: Respond depending on how they post when they show up with votes or not.
Step 3: If no response, replace. Return to step 2.

Now with 100% default lynches!

Just saying BM, this is much more effective.

We aren't dealing with lurkers. We are trying to stop people from becoming lurkers, by giving them a reason to stay active.

Also, is this like a 5-year plan? Do you want to be Mussolini or Stalin?

rofl

BM

[Battle Mage]

no, i was just curious as i'd seen you advocate a massclaim elsewhere with a similar role distribution as this.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ongoing.

[Battle Mage]

Armlx's 3 step plan for dealing with lurkers:
Step 1: Get the mod to prod them.
Step 2: Respond depending on how they post when they show up with votes or not.
Step 3: If no response, replace. Return to step 2.

Now with 100% default lynches!

Just saying BM, this is much more effective.

We aren't dealing with lurkers. We are trying to stop people from becoming lurkers, by giving them a reason to stay active.

Also, is this like a 5-year plan? Do you want to be Mussolini or Stalin?

rofl

BM

Its simple. If they become lurkers, we prod them and if they don't do anything to help their case, then we lynch them.

That kind of lurking is easier to spot though by looking at posting records outside the game and what not.

I'm saving us time by pre-empting it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You

really

think Skitzer, as mafia, would keep attacking BM?

Really?

yes, especially as both CKD and TS have done it, so he would be justified to assume that they will back him up.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Maybe I didn't make it clear enough. Skitzer's not scum.

Posts like this don't help. They imply 1 of 3 things, none of which are good to imply.

1) You are trying to derail a wagon with no evidence, which is bad.
2) You have outside info as pro-town, which means you basically claimed too early aka death likely.
3) You have outside info as scum or are pretending to have outside town info.

Ok, let me put it like this, guys.

There are only 2 wagons that i will back at this point in time. Skitzer, and Dahill. Now, if you dont think Skitzer is scum, by all means vote for Dahill, and if the wagon is large enough, i'll hop over. But the problem is, neither Pie nor Matt are giving any viable alternative. If you want us to concede our top candidate, you have to concede yours.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The more my vote sits here, the more this feels like its going to turn into a default lynch.

Unvote, Vote dahill

Thats better.

very quick to compromise arent ya?

BM

[Battle Mage]

No, I don't. We've had as many town power roles killed as townies, plus two more already outed (liberally counting miller as a "power" role). . . and assuming that that ratio doesn't hold true, its going to be a vanillafest.

Or is that the rationale, that most of our power roles are already outed anyway? If so, I'd need the numbers explained to me to support it.

You're missing the point.

The point is: We're assuming the pool of dead players is a reasonable statistical sample of the town. Given that half the dead players were power roles, roughly half the town will be power roles. With that many power roles, there's hardly any drawback to massclaim - scum won't be able to kill off the good ones fast enough (plus there's a good chance they would hit power roles

anyways

). Also, the benefit is larger than normal - power roles can be directed with respect to each other.

That is a ridiculous assumption to make. Deaths at night are random, but lynches during the day are not. There are all sorts of factors that make such an estimate unrepresentative, and imo, it is rather unrealistic to assume that we have a power-role laden town.

Nevertheless, i do see some benefit to a massclaim anyway. I'm not sure atm. Lets see what others have to say.

You

really

think Skitzer, as mafia, would keep attacking BM?

Really?

yes, especially as both CKD and TS have done it, so he would be justified to assume that they will back him up.

BM

I don't see it. He was given the chance to back off the BMwagon inconspicuously, and he turned it down. I don't think you can take anything he does after that point as scummy - he obviously legitimately

believes

he can make a case against BM, whether he's scum or town, or else he would have backed out. Meaning the fact that he's attacking BM alone is inconclusive.

thats an interesting take on events, but not one i agree with. You said yourself that your only conclusion is that he genuinely believes there is a case to lynch me, but nobody is disputing that. After all, as scum or town, he wont intentionally attack someone who he cannot possibly get lynched. But i fail to see how the fact that he continued pushing it is any defence for him-rather it appears more likely stubbornness which i would be inclined to say is more scummy than townie (townies arent as afraid to backtrack and change their minds).

BM

[Battle Mage]

Mod:

Prod Peers please.

I'm not going to switch to the dahill wagon, because I haven't seen a convincing case other than his meta, yet I've seen him lynched in another game as town where he played pretty much the same way. So I still support Peers, TheSweatpantsNinja, and killa seven being made dead, in that order preferably.

As for a massclaim, I'm neutral leaning slightly against. I think it's a little too early.

His meta? who said that? where?

I thought id already posted this case-when i originally voted for him. I'll hook it out in a sec if it ever existed...

BM

[Battle Mage]

The more my vote sits here, the more this feels like its going to turn into a default lynch.

Unvote, Vote dahill

Thats better.

very quick to compromise arent ya?

BM

Meh, thought he was scummy before and wasn't really feeling the skitzer thing. Plus, now he supports a mass claim.

you 'werent feeling the Skitzer thing' just 1 page after voting for him??

Thats a pretty quick change of heart...
reason?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Mass claim is not good with over 20 people alive.

thats a rather 2 dimensional assessment if you dont mind me saying. What makes mass claim inherently bad with more players?
I'm looking to be persuaded here!!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Lollercoaster. I just spotted something. I couldve sworn i thought Dahill was town earlier, but upon a reread of his posts in isolation, i'm seeing SCUM written all over him.

Unvote, Vote: Dahill1

Let the bandwagon roll!

BM

ah ok, apparently all i posted was this. But, i suggest you all do a pbpa of Dahill's posts, and i'll do the same, and we'll all come together with our findings!

BM

[Battle Mage]

Lollercoaster. I just spotted something. I couldve sworn i thought Dahill was town earlier, but upon a reread of his posts in isolation, i'm seeing SCUM written all over him.

Unvote, Vote: Dahill1

Let the bandwagon roll!

BM

ah ok, apparently all i posted was this. But, i suggest you all do a pbpa of Dahill's posts, and i'll do the same, and we'll all come together with our findings!

BM

K, but I'm a little uncomfortable after a dahill mislynch in another game.

you cant be perpetually afraid of lynching someone just because you misread them in the past. Try to adapt your meta by all means, but do be aware that just because someone was town elsewhere, does not mean that they never get a Mafia role pm.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I've just come around to placing Skitzer on the outside of my default lynch list the past couple days. That means

unless he does something truely awful I won't actively try to lynch him

, but I will vig him in a vacuum and attack him for lesser things than I would DGB or Rosso.

Mass claim with 20 and all these deaths is awkward as there too much empty space for scum to hide.

italics and underlining mine.

If what you say is true, why did you join me in bandwagonning him just a few rl days ago?

Also, what do Rosso or DGB have to do with it? One of them is dead-town, the other is the alt of a living player in this game. I'm missing the connection.

What do you mean by 'empty space'. Please elaborate.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i thought it was my meta? hm guess i was wrong

what?
who is your top suspect atm?
When are you going to vote for Skitzer?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I hadn't made my decision on his placing till very recently.

My point is they are other players on that list. Yesterday was one of the few times I feel pressing a Rosso lynch is worth it was there was very strong evidence that was role based condemning him.

By empty space, I mean room for townies and other unconfirmable roles for scumto hide in until the town numbers shrink too low to work. If there was 1 killing group I might consider it, but with 2 the clock isn't a good one.

how does the number of players remaining affect scums ability to claim vanilla??

BM

[Battle Mage]

i thought it was my meta? hm guess i was wrong

what?
who is your top suspect atm?
When are you going to vote for Skitzer?

BM

i thought most of the case was the meta
top suspect = Imat
i believe the softclaims, if not for those i probably would be voting for him

I dont have much of a meta on you, so it doesnt comprise any of my suspicions.

Wait a sec. You believe his softclaims, and yet he is your top suspect? Your top suspect isnt even voteworthy?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Skitzer softclaimed? I guess i'm not paying attention. Please show me.

The first person to post their pbpa of Dahill earns vote immunity from me today.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Oh yeah i remember. I knew there was a reason i unvoted.

The first person to post their pbpa of Dahill earns vote immunity from me today.

^this offer does not include Dahill himself. Just ftr.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I hadn't made my decision on his placing till very recently.

My point is they are other players on that list. Yesterday was one of the few times I feel pressing a Rosso lynch is worth it was there was very strong evidence that was role based condemning him.

By empty space, I mean room for townies and other unconfirmable roles for scumto hide in until the town numbers shrink too low to work. If there was 1 killing group I might consider it, but with 2 the clock isn't a good one.

how does the number of players remaining affect scums ability to claim vanilla??

BM

Because each subsequent town-vanilla death raises te percentage of scum vanilla claims less out of a larger pool. AKA a lot larger chance of just guessing wrong a few times in a row into an awkward scenario.

the grammar makes this completely incomprehensible...
can you please rewrite it when you sober up? lol

[Battle Mage]

lol kudos for the effort. vote stands.

[Battle Mage]

umm, i get the math. still dont really understand what you're getting at, tbh.

[Battle Mage]

Oh yeah i remember. I knew there was a reason i unvoted.

The first person to post their pbpa of Dahill earns vote immunity from me today.

^this offer does not include Dahill himself. Just ftr.

BM

damn! just read this after i posted

rofl

[Battle Mage]

umm, i get the math. still dont really understand what you're getting at, tbh.

My point is I feel there are going to be too many claims to sort through in not enough time for a mass claim to be beneficial at this point in time. if the recruit dies without farside dying I could go for it though.

it bugs me that you are so sure we have a recruit...

BM

[Battle Mage]

@Matt- wow. Just WOW. I didnt mean you had to quote them all!

Congratulations, you've certainly earnt vote immunity today!

I'll give this a decent read through tomorrow, and post my comments.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also:
-The plan is to pull up a more conclusive attack on CKDScum at some point, but I'm still getting around to it.
-

FoS: BM

for the whole vote-immunity ploy. It seems off.

It can be very informative. For example, the haste with which Dahill attempted to earn Vote Immunity could easily be seen as scummy. The fact that Matt was so anxious to do so could also be seen in that light, although atm, im just happy that he has given us something to discuss. It's not like i was going to vote for Matt today anyway.

BM

[Battle Mage]

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Vote: CKDScum

. I am voting for CKDScum because he is scum, and as a result his posts have been scummy. CKDScum, you may attempt (and inevitably fail) to show innocence by answering these questions:

1) Excluding me (Pie) and you (CKDScum), which player is most likely protown but also hurting the town the most?
2) What's the scummiest post you've made all game, and why?
3) If you were currently mafia, what would your strategy be?

Please, nobody answer these questions until CKDScum does.

1.) Strange question, "likely protown, but is also hurting the town"...pick one of our lurkers.

What about KScope? TS?

Funny how BM strongly suspect me and VD, when Pie replaces VD he attacks me..

Jesus, BM, you have the influence in this game. Pie, did you get BM’s wrath off you yet?

And doesnt that just scare the living s**t out of you?
Actually, i think i had already unvoted VD before Pie replaced in, on grounds of lacking evidence.

Pie, your thoughts on TS? You feel like her play is a null tell? Does she normally lurk when a healthy dose of suspicion is thrusted her way?

Odd that you ask Pie to comment on TS while failing to do so yourself...

Massclaim with 20 people left is a rather poor play at this point.

Interesting that you agree with Armlx, but no real reasoning here. I have yet to get my head around his comments, but my first impressions are that a massclaim is not as inherently bad as some might suggest. It could give us far more insight into players affiliations, by how scum use their NK, if we have alot of power roles.

i'll be willing to get on a CKD wagon
and im always in favor of a massclaim

Wow, two poor choices, tell me dahill…what are your thoughts on TS? Speaking of TS, any reason you are hanging low lately?

And AGAIN?? What is it with you and TS exactly?! Is it some sort of secret fetish, or is it actually game related?

Matt, wow, every post? Way to really work for that vote immunity, that is all dahill has to say to Matt PBP? Dahill do you have any other comments?

Is it theoretically possible for the town to vote someone 'lynch immune' for that day?

BM

[Battle Mage]

i'll agree i want killa seven to be more active in his responses instead of just "yea" "lol" etc.
so for now

Vote: Killa Seven

killa seven--who do you think are scum? please explain! if you give a reasonable answer i'll consider unvoting you

Looking at the times of his early posts, I'd say dahill hadn't done much reading yet. Also his vote is very... odd. Do something protown and I may unvote you.

Agreed.

because you suck..
scum

lol

You didnt think that was a tad excessive? Protesting too much, i thought.

lloyd,
can you explain the whole miller mason thing?
and also what do you think BM will do with your vote

First question has a purpose. The second question is stupid.

Actually i'd disagree. Both are pretty relevant. Neither necessarily protown, but both could provide interesting answers.

dahill1, I'll explain what you are asking another time, but not now.

hmm interesting
i feel compelled to trust you for some reason
so i will for now

"Hmm, I need a reason to switch my stance off this guy. Oh I know! I trust him!"

lol qft. This is really REALLY weak.

odds are the pressure is being fueled by at least 1 scumbag

QFT hadn't thought of that

agreeing

Yup

because you're killa seven, and she's farside

and also if you're lying and we tell her to kill you at night, you'll get in an extra kill

This, too, is what anyone would do.

And i believe i had already said this a few posts prior to Dahill reiterating me.

farside is lying, id like to hear who she killed and why. if shes really the vig why not let her kill me at night and have no one protect me and vise versa? and how is her claim more believeable? i coulda lied and said yea i killed the bodyguard no i was truthfull, my kill was against a cult recruiter, and if their is a cult would they be alowwed to kill and with the mafia that would be 3 kills.

what possilbe motivation could she have to lie? if she is lying she would be either vigged tonight, or lynched tomorrow.

major QFT!

Just agreeing again

And a bit over enthusiastic.

I get the odd feeling KS isn't getting lynched today and that someone's trying to distract us from it. Why aren't we trying to convince people to hammer him, again?

oh no..he's

definitely

getting lynched today
but we don't want the hammer yet for more conversation

He's not exactly contributing much discussion

indeed.

We are still looking for a replacement. Deadline is still in 3 days.

Request Deadline Postponement till a Replacement is found.

BM

2nd.

3rd. Don't need any more dead power roles.

4th'd. Not only do we need a possible claim from TLP (or said replacement) discussion, even if the day has been extremely long, is usually good, especially on the track we are going. Also, I support a TS vig if we don't get a claim from TLP and the extension isn't granted.

And, for clarification if a vig is NK'd their kill will not count, but if an SK is NK'd their kill will? Or would the kill count regardless of vig or SK role?

5th request.
If the mod doesn't respon to the extention request I'm leaning towards Lloyd.

6thed.

7th
and also this

If Jesus decended from the heavens and saved you from lynch you'd still get roleblocked, sorry man but you're a dead man walking at the moment

No comment

Actually, i think this is an example of him going along with the crowd.

Wow, i havent even made a dent in this yet...

I'll carry on later.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, I think that TS is scum, she (like you attacked me yesterday for jumping off the RC wagon)...before we found out that RC was town, she stated that if RC is town (like you), I should be lynched today...her bandwagon was moving along nicely..then she shut up, of course it went away...as it stands, I dont think I have ever been in a game with DGB that she simply just shut up, have you?

I think the mass claim today is bad because of the amount of people that are left. I think only scum would be pushing for this today

why would scum push for something that it widely deemed to be scummy and controversial?

And actually, DGB is doing this in most of her games now. I dont think it is NECESSARILY a scumtell.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ive allready accepted my lynch i was just pointing out i could help get rid of who the town wanted and wouldnt go back on my word and if i did u can lynch me tommorow.

i believe this is the bargaining stage

Not helping

and again, not taking things all that seriously.

seconding lloyd for next vig target

What? But you trusted him!!!

Sorry, where was this?

So, wait, I'm confused. Is 'cultie cop' a cop who's a member of a cult, or a cop who determines if someone is in a cult? If the former, we need to lynch Rosso eventually, but after he helps us find the scum, right? If the latter... we need to lynch BM because there's a good chance he's the cult recruiter, not a mason, right?

It seems too simple, there must be something I'm missing.

2nd

3rd i'm basically just confused about this whole situation

No comment.

I think this deserves comment. It is an example of Dahill again following the crowd, on really poor reasoning-and on grounds which he has shown to be against in the recent past. His opinions change with the wind, and it is increasingly apparent by this point that he is struggling to keep up the facade.

i'm kind of confused again..why are people hesitant to believe RC would be lying?
is it because of just general scumminess or something else?

Doesn't understand why his mislynch is taking so long.

good point.

Dear BM and Nemesis,

Seriously, just quote the line.

Please!!!!!

Seriously, just quote the line.

Thank you, that is all.
--dahill1

P.S.

Seriously, just quote the line.

Not helping

Lazy scum looking to find out who claimed what.

vote rosso carne

seems a little strange how he would forget his n0 investigation, then say it was alphabetical order even though there were two people before armlx

No comment

This was, again, repetition of what i had said at the time.

Also, are these posts in order? You seem to have Dahill jumping all over the place. 0.o

And herein lies the problem Rosso. You don't post enough for your own good. You got away with little content Day 1 but the games has stepped up a bit. Join in the Hunting. I myself haven't done very well this game, but I'm hoping to change that over the next few game days. If you can make a decent length post defending yourself I'm sure some of the less certain players on your case will back off. When that happens you can prove your worth to the us by making larger, more detailed posts more often, participating in the Hunting as it were. If you were to participate more you could easily lower people's suspicions of you. Most of them are based on inactivity and willingness to hammer people, no matter what.

this is definitely not why i'm voting for rosso, and i don't think it's why anyone else is voting for him either

No comment

Appeal to Authority, but nonetheless a fairly valid analysis of the situation.

i think Imat would be a good vig target if RC comes up scum

Directing the vig without giving reasons

thats not strictly true. He did express suspicion of Imat earlier.

upon rereading khelvaster (animorph), he was always wishy washy about BM. one post he would be defending BM, the next attacking him.

Thanks for the info, but where are you going with this?

I think he's trying to tie me to Khelv (which as GF, it is possible that he told them to do). Scummy.

upon rereading khelvaster (animorph), he was always wishy washy about BM. one post he would be defending BM, the next attacking him.

Indeed, and I am EXTREMELY leery of the Miller/Hider claim, that's the kind of claim that's just tooooo scummalicious.

The Miller/Hider claim explains two of the problems that scum might encounter in a game. The first problem is that they may be investigated and found guilty. Conveniently, BM declared himself a miller. The second problem is that the scum must explain his continued survival night after night. This is especially important if we have living vig, and the miller doesn't get nigthkilled and continues to live. So "hider" and "miller" makes a perfect combo for a scum claim.

Also, I see BM is very active and scheming. That's his scum persona, not his town persona.

The Miller/Hider claim is the real clincher. I don't believe it. I believe that BM is just plain scum.

vote: Battle Mage

QFT i was going to write something like this in my next post but you pretty much summed it up

Vote BM

Hmm, something seems wrong with this...

Yup. He is following terrible logic in order to pursue a lynch on someone he spent half the game shadowing. He's either the most easily led townie ever, or scum.

Dear dahill1,

Please 'splain Rosso's guilty on him first.

oops

unvote

that does make a huge hole in my argument

It's not your argument, you borrowed it again.

lol true.

Cult also = scum

revote BM

sorry meant to do this last post

Sure you did. Your last post was an EBWOP of your unvote

Rofl. Im not sure what reception you recieved elsewhere, but let me tell you now-you are GOOD.
At this point, i'm pretty convinced by the case.

Vote: Dahill

I'm not all for the vote and unvote you just did. Usually when I've played you are aggressive this game you seem to be sitting back more and just agreeing with people. I don't see BM as the lynch thank you.

i havent really played many large games, but i guess i'm just a little more laid-back in them
as for the matt_s/TSPN argument, to me it seems to me almost like a townie fighting another townie
i only say "almost" because i'm leaning towards a little bit more with matt_s atm, but i'm waiting for TSPN to respond to the above post

You didn't explain that vote/unvote thing you did.

And this is also where the meta argument is mentioned. Personally if Farside says you are playing to your scum meta, i'm willing to believe it.

Also, I think there's a good chance armlx is scum. So far today, he's directed the vig to try and kill someone who we know isn't mafia (whome picks up more scum points for that too), and before that, waffled on whether or not he thought I was scum. Yesterday, he was a key driver of the RC wagon. Matt_S is still highest on my list, but I'm not like armlx much right now.

we know he isn't mafia, but he still could be cult

Thank you for restating that.

Yeh, i really hate stupidity too.

unvote Battle Mage

there's no point in lynching him today if Farside is going to use her vig on him, which can basically confirm him.
also, Imat, you seemed to be one of the main people who Khelvaster was changing his mind about. as i said before, with BM he seemed to constantly change his views, but we know that BM can't be mafia. with you, first Khelvaster agrees with you, then FoS's you, UnFoS's you, votes you, etc.
1) why do you think he kept switching his opinions of you?
2) were you ever suspicious of him and why? if not, then why not?
3) who do you think is likely to be scum right now?

So we know they aren't partners, but we're analyzing their interactions?

Again he uses Khelvaster in order to make a case based on his connections to other players.

BM, what would the easier way to confirm you be?

No comment.

No comment? that, my friend, is a prime example of rolefishing.

I am still pro on testing BM, and cannot understand the level of anti-testophobia

i agree with this statement
waiting on imat

What are you waiting on Imat for?

and hes still pushing the scummy 'vig BM' argument.

*sigh* Imat's gonna get replaced. Oh well, I'll just wait for his replacement
in the meantime, i can see how TS could think BM is cult because Rosso was the cult cop, because honestly, i thought that at first too. but now it seems pretty obvious to me that the miller would show up guilty to everyone, so i think TS should drop the BM attacks. i agree that that is the kind of case against someone that scum can easily pounce on

He's very noncommittal isn't he?

And its a bit of a change of tune, from 'BM is scum, lets lynch him/test him'. His vote is still on me at this point.

i can see why people could be bandwagonning me in terms of my meta and i would probably have done the same thing if i were you because i admit: i'm not too active in this game, and i apologize.
however, just because i'm not as active doesn't mean i'm scum.
the good part is that if i am lynched, it will break a meta on me

There's more on him than just activity from what other people say.

Indeed. In fact, i swear Dahill played in Realistic Mafia with me. If he is who i think he was, then he is playing VERY differently here.

Yeah, that last post is lame enough for me.

Unvote, Vote dahill

heh sorry armlx
i know i'm usually better than this

"plz don't lynch me"

and 'giving up scumtell'.

Ok, thats enough for tonight. I'm still working through it. I think it has been a very informative exercise for me on both Matt and Dahill. Id like to see more people's thoughts on Matts (and now my) analysis of Dahills posts.

BM

[Battle Mage]

OK, dahill's wanting of a massclaim + me being his top suspect even with softclaims + his attempt at PBPA for himself just to earn vote immunity=

vote: dahill

Also, I think the above statement just made those softclaims harder.

i think this is an understatement of the strength of the case on Dahill, but the vote nonetheless pleases me.

BM

[Battle Mage]

ok thanks.

[Battle Mage]

To all those people opposing massclaim because there are many players left alive: why does that matter?

To Skitzer: Attacking dahill because he supports massclaim

without arguing against it yourself

is incredibly weak.

To CKDScum: Those were the lamest answers I've ever heard. Vote stands.

To Everyone Else: Vote for CKDScum with me. I'll throw together a case shortly. Stand by.

Pie, please do me a favour. Drop the whole 'CKD is the lynch' act. He's getting vigged tonight, lets just leave it at that, ok?

For now, the Dahill wagon needs you, and a case has already been posted. Please give as detailed thoughts as possible.

BM

[Battle Mage]

To all those people opposing massclaim because there are many players left alive: why does that matter?

To Skitzer: Attacking dahill because he supports massclaim

without arguing against it yourself

is incredibly weak.

To CKDScum: Those were the lamest answers I've ever heard. Vote stands.

To Everyone Else: Vote for CKDScum with me. I'll throw together a case shortly. Stand by.

Pie, please do me a favour. Drop the whole 'CKD is the lynch' act. He's getting vigged tonight, lets just leave it at that, ok?

For now, the Dahill wagon needs you, and a case has already been posted. Please give as detailed thoughts as possible.

BM

Damn it, where did I miss the part where we are not testing you anymore?

no, i'm still being confirmed tonight. Just not in the way you would ideally choose.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM's will must be done....when bargaining and coming up with false ways to confirm himself are done, he simply force his will....ha!

BM, why are you so afraid of being tested? I have agreed to the wager..Farisde knows I have agreed to the wager...the entire town knows I agreed to the wager...if you can hide, and farside tests you, I will agree to the then...but the more you try to get out of it...the more I am certian.....

this is nearly sig-worthy. But, srsly-false ways to confirm myself? How do you suppose i would pull that off? lol

I repeat what i said to Whome. I will be confirmed tonight, and hopefully, you will be killed. Thats all you need to know for now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

jesus christ..Lynching BM is a shitty idea...testing BM is a great idea. If for some off chance he really is a hider...he (gag) is an asset to us...

Mno, please explain why lynching BM is remotely close to a pro-town choice.

QFT, and I am tired of re-iterating this. And for those who say can't we just trust BM as confirmed without the test, the answer is

NO!

hmm, Whome- why do you think i am Cult? Or rather, what makes you certain enough i am cult, to make it worth the town's while to waste a Vig-kill on me, when there is NO case to say i am more likely to be cult than anybody else-YOURSELF INCLUDED.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I disagree. If we have a lock on a scum, we can lynch them. Only if we have a lock on 2 scumz would testing BM become a waste. I for one cannot point out 2 people I am even 90% sure are scum

Or even 3.
Im becoming increasingly less certain about my read on Whome...

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM's will must be done....when bargaining and coming up with false ways to confirm himself are done, he simply force his will....ha!

BM, why are you so afraid of being tested? I have agreed to the wager..Farisde knows I have agreed to the wager...the entire town knows I agreed to the wager...if you can hide, and farside tests you, I will agree to the then...but the more you try to get out of it...the more I am certian.....

this is nearly sig-worthy. But, srsly-false ways to confirm myself? How do you suppose i would pull that off? lol

I repeat what i said to Whome. I will be confirmed tonight, and hopefully, you will be killed. Thats all you need to know for now.

BM

the way today is going even I hope I get killed tonight.....

Even though the town is kicking ass? Thats a rather odd stance, and one i am sure, is not shared by the majority...

OK in what way do you think you will be confirmed tonight without being vig targeted?

None of your business.

[Battle Mage]

...

OK in what way do you think you will be confirmed tonight without being vig targeted?

None of your business.

Then I am sticking with the test BM tonight meme

did you just call me MeMe? rofl

To be perfectly honest, you dont have any say in this matter. Your lack of paying attention is at last reaping it's reward. I've said i will confirm myself tonight, and i will. What really irritates me is when 2 people say the exact same thing, which really makes little sense. It's like you and CKD feed off each others ignorance.

Seriously, play the game. If you are town, i want to see your Pbpa of Dahill, pronto.

BM

[Battle Mage]

farside, do you understand what way BM is talking about being tested without you vigging him?

if so, how?

just fielding this one, as Farside has some catching up to do anyway:

No, she does not know yet. But she will. And thats why she won't vig me tonight.

[Battle Mage]

for the record, if BM has a confirmable way to be tested that he will share with us...today or tomorrow...I will still stick to the wager....but I think it is more bullshit..

I just want to see if Farside knows what BM is talking about and how.

I wont need to share it with you. Its this simple:

If Farside does not kill me tonight, i am town.

Meantime-please quit fishing for further information. I've yet to see anything like a pbpa of Dahill from you.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, I'm not gonna lie, but this "New way to test you" thing is pretty stray.

lol yeh i can see that some people are having trouble grasping it. But really, that isnt necessary.

[Battle Mage]

No I have no idea what BM is talking about, but frankly I'm tired of all this talk.
Point blank I'm targeting BM. Sorry BM, but the conversation will not go back to scum hunting without this announcement. Now can we get back to finding scum and stop this BS with BM.
Thank you

-.-

Ok, let me ask you this. If i could totally, absolutely, categorically prove that my role and ability is protown, and definitely, certainly not the ability of a member of a cult, before you submit your choice, will you refrain from firing 1 of ur bullets at me? Because if not, i guess we'll have to go with what was originally suggested. I just think it's a waste, is all.

BM

[Battle Mage]

No, she does not know yet. But she will. And thats why she won't vig me tonight.

If Farside does not kill me tonight, i am town.

She will know..but you are not telling us how she will know. I am calling bullshit...

Aww didums. Sadly, that knowledge is strictly confidential. Feel free to call bs on me all you want. You might as well be talking to Jathan. There's nobody home and nobody's buying what you have to offer.

If farside doesnt target you tonight, then that probably means that farside will not kill you tonight, but THAT DOES NOT mean you are town...it just means farside did not test you

No, it means Farside was 100% certain that i am protown, hence she did not shoot me.

BM, are you not grasping the concept of "testing you"? The test is WHEN she targets you...not "if"...

No, i think its YOU who is failing to grasp the fact that Farside will not, if i have my way, be targetting me tonight, BUT she will be testing me. You got that?

Why do you want her to kill me so much tonight and not test you? I am agreed to the wager....I have a feeling this everyone will be keeping me to my word tomorrow...again, why are you afraid of farside targetting you tonight?

Im not majorly worried if she kills you or not. If she doesnt, ill make sure you are lynched tomorrow anyway. My way has the same outcome as the original idea, except that we still get the vig kills.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Umm, you will be testing me. Or rather, you will be able to confirm my role, BEFORE YOU EVEN SUBMIT YOUR CHOICE. I'm not even asking you to not kill me. Im asking you to wait until night, and then all will be revealed. If you arent convinced, please take a pop at me. I'll be sat at home on the sofa. All i want is the BOD.

Now, quit appealing to the masses, as if an end to this discussion is going to get the game moving any faster, or them contributing any more. Dont get bullied into things by others. I want YOUR answer on this. Now please.

BM

[Battle Mage]

prediction, even though farside has agreed to test BM, BM will still plead with her.

now can we lynch TS...

BM, her other alts seem to be posting.

wow, we have a psychic in the house.

You really need to work on your grasp of english grammar though. Your vocabulary is unspeakably poor... -.-

I still want ur pbpa of Dahill.
Maybe you can stop bugging Farside until youve made some contribution to the game yourself.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I say we do BM's alternative test. Tomorrow, BM will explain what the hell the test was and how it confirms him. If it's unsatisfactory, we lynch him. Problem solved.

Yep. In fact, even easier. Tonight, Farside will be able to assess my idea, and if she isnt convinced, she will kill me. If she is convinced, she won't kill me. That should hopefully solve the issue.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM: I need some clarification. If farside dies tonight for whatever reason or otherwise is unable to report her night action, will we be able to know if your test worked?

yeh i thought about this too. Yeh, that wouldnt be a problem. The success of the test will be pretty self-explanatory regardless of whether Farside was killed or not. Her kills would still be seen after all, and the fact i am not dead would confirm that she was satisfied with my affiliation.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM: I need some clarification. If farside dies tonight for whatever reason or otherwise is unable to report her night action, will we be able to know if your test worked?

yeh i thought about this too. Yeh, that wouldnt be a problem. The success of the test will be pretty self-explanatory regardless of whether Farside was killed or not. Her kills would still be seen after all, and the fact i am not dead would confirm that she was satisfied with my affiliation.

BM

This post makes me slightly ucomfortable, but I think that I may know what your test is.

really? shhh then.

[Battle Mage]

now can we lynch TS...

BM, her other alts seem to be posting.

Geez, you miss me, CKD? That's a first!

This game has way too much BM in it. It's a great big BM-fest.

The mesmerized majority of players are walking in procession, bringing incense and basketfuls of mangos, bananas and coconuts as a sacrifice to their accursed gilded idol Battle Mage, that sits contentedly and resplendent in the golden flickering light of prayer lanterns and candles.

Let me know when the you leave BM's temple and you feel like lynching somebody.

I wish my games were ACTUALLY like that.

[Battle Mage]

BM, I'm pretty sure I know as well, but I would much rather confirm it the normal way if we have to at all. I'm sorta neutral on confirmation in general, as I'm unsure if going from vig to cult cop is an upgrade or not.

BM, just wondering 1 thing that I'm pretty sure I asked before: Have you asked Jordan if you die for hiding with scum, or just read your role PM for it? Its something that he could have forgotten, and if he by chance did that actually makes your role much more powerful.

I dont really understand your comment about confirmation. Armlx, if you know what im getting at, you may aswell say it now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

@BM: I need some clarification. If farside dies tonight for whatever reason or otherwise is unable to report her night action, will we be able to know if your test worked?

yeh i thought about this too. Yeh, that wouldnt be a problem. The success of the test will be pretty self-explanatory regardless of whether Farside was killed or not. Her kills would still be seen after all, and the fact i am not dead would confirm that she was satisfied with my affiliation.

BM

This post makes me slightly ucomfortable, but I think that I may know what your test is.

really? shhh then.

Don't worry, your possible secret is safe with me.

BM, just wondering 1 thing that I'm pretty sure I asked before: Have you asked Jordan if you die for hiding with scum, or just read your role PM for it? Its something that he could have forgotten, and if he by chance did that actually makes your role much more powerful.

I may just be missing this, but if he does die by hiding with scum, how does that help? For us to know who he targets, he has to announce it. That means scum gets to kill that person and BM on one night, unless BM pulls WIFOM on the mafia, which makes him unreliable anyways.

Her satisfaction would not be confirmation of anything, oh Great One.

There's obviously more to it than that.

And I'm willing to go for 50/50 against dahill.

Unvote, Vote dahill1

. Just don't forget Peers though.

lets see what Armlx says, and then i might ask you to give your view. Or i might not.

BM

[Battle Mage]

BM, just wondering 1 thing that I'm pretty sure I asked before: Have you asked Jordan if you die for hiding with scum, or just read your role PM for it? Its something that he could have forgotten, and if he by chance did that actually makes your role much more powerful.

I may just be missing this, but if he does die by hiding with scum, how does that help? For us to know who he targets, he has to announce it. That means scum gets to kill that person and BM on one night, unless BM pulls WIFOM on the mafia, which makes him unreliable anyways.

Well, every night he wakes up alive is +1 confirmed town.

BM, is your plan to hide with someone who you feel will die (or if you have been hiding the hide with scum thing, presumably CKD) and be confirmed by death? If so, have you done the math on if that speeds up the game by a day in the worst case scenario?

short answer: No.

[Battle Mage]

Pie, please do me a favour. Drop the whole 'CKD is the lynch' act. He's getting vigged tonight, lets just leave it at that, ok?

It sounds to me like you have some kind of Fancy Plan that you're not revealing to the town. I'm fine with letting this happen, with the understanding that tomorrow, 1) You or CKD is dead, 2) You will be able to give us a good reason why you couldn't tell us what was going on today. Understand that if both these conditions aren't fulfilled, I will push damn hard against you tomorrow.

I'm afraid i cant promise that-i'm not a Vig. Try asking Farside nicely. -.-

For now, the Dahill wagon needs you, and a case has already been posted. Please give as detailed thoughts as possible.

Was there a case against Dahill before I replaced in? If so, I didn't read it. If you're referring to the random crap people have been throwing at Dahill recently, I don't think it has any merit at all. I'll take these on a case-by-case basis. I'm not really a fan of pbpa's.

in other words you havent read it.
I'm not exaggerating. If you read the entirety of his posts, you will be left with little-no doubt he is scum.

are we actually wasting a night to test BM? what the hell for? we either lynch him and find out, or we don't lynch him and if someone just so happens to confirm it oh well. plans like this are so easily backfired by the town.

Mnowax is completely right. BM, if your plan involves the vig's kill being altogether wasted, I will be pissed. Otherwise, carry on.

No, it involves the exact opposite.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I say we do BM's alternative test. Tomorrow, BM will explain what the hell the test was and how it confirms him. If it's unsatisfactory, we lynch him. Problem solved.

Yep. In fact, even easier. Tonight, Farside will be able to assess my idea, and if she isnt convinced, she will kill me. If she is convinced, she won't kill me. That should hopefully solve the issue.

BM

umm, isnt farside testing you and not killing you? If you are not lying and you hide, she wont be killing you..

slip?

or is this part of the plan I am not getting..

the latter. lawl.

[Battle Mage]

Well, every night he wakes up alive is +1 confirmed town.

Ah, I wasn't thinking about the confirming townies part, just the finding scum part.

BM, is your plan to hide with someone who you feel will die (or if you have been hiding the hide with scum thing, presumably CKD) and be confirmed by death? If so, have you done the math on if that speeds up the game by a day in the worst case scenario?

I doubt this is it since it involves too much guesswork and not enough living. If I'm right, then I think secrecy is the best option.

Hi Matt,

I'm Pie.

You are right a lot.

Hello Pie, and thank you very much

is there a way you can communicate to me what you think you know, without implicitly revealing information that is best kept hidden?

BM

[Battle Mage]

^qft

[Battle Mage]

I am confused as to why BM is trying to make Matt understand what he plans to do, when there is apparently no reason for protowners to know the plan and potential hazards if scum know it.

Its called 'damage limitation'. I want to be sure that i hadnt let something slip. I'm confident Matt doesnt know.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why limit the possible options for people to guess at though?

there will be no more guessing.

[Battle Mage]

Why limit the possible options for people to guess at though?

there will be no more guessing.

By people I meant the mafia specifically.

chillax, man.

[Battle Mage]

If there is a way to convince people that BM is telling the truth I will not target him. However at this point in time I will be targeting him so that in case I do die then people will let the issue drop.
Thank you

im sorry, but thats not good enough. I need to know what i'm doing tonight, and for that, i want to have confidence that you arent going to do something stupid. Now i dont know what you're doing-except that you are keen to move discussion forward, without creating any yourself.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Why limit the possible options for people to guess at though?

there will be no more guessing.

By people I meant the mafia specifically.

chillax, man.

Fair nuff.

Random 2am facts: BM has made 560 posts in this thread, more than 1/5. I find this extremely amusing. I have made 300 by comparison. Both are a bit less than 10% of our total posts on the site, and between me him and xtoxm we have posted around half the thread.

Wee, e-penis!

lol. Im going for the record for the most posts by 1 player in a mafia game.

Let's keep it up!

BM

[Battle Mage]

The discussion is at a standstill because of you BM. You said you could prove something before night choices were due. I don't see how.
Don't be pissy because I wish the discussion to end and to move on. Reminder 3 days and 99 pages. I would hate to have more replacements.

Sadly, you may be correct, although you fail to recognise that this is not my fault, and in fact, i am 1 of 2 people who have actively provided a strong case for someone to be lynched/not lynched today. I dont really think i could concievably contribute more, nor can i do any more to make others contribute. This discussion preventing us moving on, is nothing more than an excuse. As soon as this discussion ends, people will go back to lurking, and we wont get any further.

Maybe you dont see how i can prove something to you before night choices are due, as you put it, but the fact remains that i CAN. and WILL. All i ask is that you are aware that when IT happens, it is a result of my actions, and you will be rewarded with insight into my role and ofc affiliation.

Oh and ftr, i think discussion like this is GREAT. Scum hate long days like these. I know when im mafia, i am always really impatient to get things moving, as long days mean more info for the town and more chances to slip up.

Jordan has handled all replacements perfectly well so far. Have a little faith in our Mod please.

BM

[Battle Mage]

The discussion is at a standstill because of you BM. You said you could prove something before night choices were due. I don't see how.
Don't be pissy because I wish the discussion to end and to move on. Reminder 3 days and 99 pages. I would hate to have more replacements.

Just think it over during the night before doing anything. Even if I don't really know what BM's doing, I'm sure your patience will be rewarded.

I suggest we stop discussing the testing and start discussing who to make dead.

Matt, you and i have both proven that we can do BOTH. Apparently everyone else here is either full of bs, or fails at multi-tasking.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Pie, can you make a scenario where farside is scum that doesn't involve there being a cult, an SK, a mafia, and another mafia/sk which is unreal stacked against town?

I'm probably missing something. Is there a reason farside can't be with animorpherv's mafia family?

If I am missing something, I will not consider farside scum, although I would still consider her wasted vigkill to be

very

bad play.

i can see the sentiment here, but I think i am 100% sure that Farside cannot be scum, simply because an anti-town kill with a protown kill method is a really bastardly aspect of a setup, and i cant see Jordan doing that in his first large game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Oh and ftr, i think discussion like this is GREAT. Scum hate long days like these. I know when im mafia, i am always really impatient to get things moving, as long days mean more info for the town and more chances to slip up.

I concur, but if the discussion is just about you its harder for scum to screw up then if its about everyone.

this is not necessarily the case.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah, farside's pretty confirmed to me.

Also, that last post by whome is almost enough to make me want to shift my vote. Not quite enough, but almost. Enough to put whome second on my list.

QFAT

[Battle Mage]

The discussion is at a standstill because of you BM. You said you could prove something before night choices were due. I don't see how.
Don't be pissy because I wish the discussion to end and to move on. Reminder 3 days and 99 pages. I would hate to have more replacements.

Thank you Thank you Thank you.

Lets complete the TS lynch, see who does and doesnb't die durign the night, and we have enough posts for 6 data minign companies come tomorrow.

this post actually STINKS of scum. Im starting to wonder about whether i was hasty to put off your lynch earlier today. I mean, you want a hasty lynch on someone you havent even given a detailed case on, and you want to base our play during the day, on who gets killed at night? 0.o
I think the fact you comment on the quantity of data we have is nice, but it doesnt take a genius to see that, regardless of affiliation, there is NO WAY you are actually going to use any of it. Reading the game isnt going to get any easier, and the amount of pages wont decrease.

Also, i'd like to declare myself

Officially AGAINST a TS lynch today

. No, thats not just that she isnt my first choice. Posts like Whome's, and the way in which most of the pressure on her seems to be ill-contrived, and simply an attempt to get an easy, but satisfying mislynch.

I cant really see the attacks on TS as protown (although a TS lynch is a great compromise when we have NO info), so for the moment, i reccommend those on her wagon either unvote, and hide in the corner, or prepare to face my wrath.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, i'd like to declare myself

Officially AGAINST a TS lynch today

. No, thats not just that she isnt my first choice. Posts like Whome's, and the way in which most of the pressure on her seems to be ill-contrived, and simply an attempt to get an easy, but satisfying mislynch.

I think a lot of this game is just going towards mislynches. I think a lot of it has to do with complacency in following the major wagons (usually the ones you start) and the fact that pretty much the only opinion not made by you so far has been by those attacking you, and 1 person scum hunting usually has some issues.

I'm going to do a review of everyone right now and post what I find, most likely in segments.

Hey, are you saying i'm not a good scumhunter?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, i'd like to declare myself Officially AGAINST a TS lynch today.

Disagree with this...Found her scummy and would still be happy with her lynch...

Yay, 100 pages..Lol.

I'm not seeing Whome as scum. I've found myself quite likeing most of what he's been saying.

I think ive decided that TS always looks this scummy...
And besides, you have to adapt in light of how others behave. Thats what im doing.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Just think it over during the night before doing anything. Even if I don't really know what BM's doing, I'm sure your patience will be rewarded.

I suggest we stop discussing the testing and start discussing who to make dead.

I support this product and/or service (is that meme worn out?)

Anyway, dahill might be scum, but I think there's a much better case for Toaster Strudel. Its time to lynch.

Unvote, vote Toaster Strudel.

I think I've used the last lines of the above post before when I was scum. It feels like TSN is trying to say, "Yes, of course dahill is my scum buddy, but let's lead the town to a mislynch and vote Toaster Strudel!

Of course, I could be very wrong.

FoS: TheSweatpantsNinja.

Bolding and Underlining mine. I HATE it when people do that. You were making so much sense until you decided to undermine everything you had said with something so stupid as "I think this...but there again, maybe i dont". Have some fricking conviction. Otherwise you look like you are simply covering all your bases and half-heartedly scumhunting.

BM

[Battle Mage]

After review, CKD is in my ??? category. He's definitely been logical, but he's not done anything the says especially pro-town to me. Rather wait to see how other people turn up before deciding here.

Also, in case he missed it, I want BM's thoughts on xtoxm to finish my list, as I have no good read on him.

I find it odd that whilst there is no doubt you are an independent player, who will almost always make his own judgements, that you would want my advice on Xtoxm, who is not a lurker, when you havent totally followed my opinions on all your other suspicions. Ive played a fair few games with Xtoxm, but never seen him as scum. So, my read on him is limited. I suggest you read him yourself and draw your own conclusions. Ignore the meta until someone brings it up (i realise i may have brought it up earlier, but that was probably before we killed the first Xtoxm...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Dahill1 presents a very convincing argument...

i should take that out of context and sig it

No, then you would be BM. He has a monopoly on that.

woah woah woah. I dont sig things out of context (at least, i cant recall doing so). Whats with the anti-BM ness permeating some people atm??
Is it because i've been a bit lurky here? If so, i'm sorry, and i WILL try to post more from now on.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, there seems to be a lot of noise lately inflating the size of this thread, and I'm not sure if it's a BM playstyle, or something to think about

i dont understand what this bit means....

Also, as far as activity goes, i'm expecting great things of you. What did you make of Matt's analysis of Dahill and my subsequent comments?

BM

[Battle Mage]

The issue is my read on xtoxm is pretty much null either way right now, so another player's input would be good as there's probably something I missed that sways him on way or the other.

in that case, you leave him for now, if nothing dramatically points either way.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Dahill1 presents a very convincing argument...

i should take that out of context and sig it

No, then you would be BM. He has a monopoly on that.

woah woah woah. I dont sig things out of context (at least, i cant recall doing so). Whats with the anti-BM ness permeating some people atm??
Is it because i've been a bit lurky here? If so, i'm sorry, and i WILL try to post more from now on.

BM

It's a mix of the lurking and the sucking at maths.

Sorry, I had to

ooh, referring to ongoing games? I could have you modkilled for that!

[Battle Mage]

Dahill1 presents a very convincing argument...

i should take that out of context and sig it

No, then you would be BM. He has a monopoly on that.

woah woah woah. I dont sig things out of context (at least, i cant recall doing so). Whats with the anti-BM ness permeating some people atm??
Is it because i've been a bit lurky here? If so, i'm sorry, and i WILL try to post more from now on.

BM

It's a mix of the lurking and the sucking at maths.

Sorry, I had to

ooh, referring to ongoing games? I could have you modkilled for that!

Wtf? How is that refering to ongoing games?!

erm, its referring to a comment you made in an ongoing game. Hence, as you might have guessed, it is classed as REFERRING TO ONGOING GAMES.

[Battle Mage]

The issue is my read on xtoxm is pretty much null either way right now, so another player's input would be good as there's probably something I missed that sways him on way or the other.

in that case, you leave him for now, if nothing dramatically points either way.

BM

Like I said, just asking in case I missed something. If anyone else has comments I would be interested as well, but I thought you might have the best read on him out of everyone.

He's totally town.

You don't count.

the only reason he doesnt count is because if he tried, people would see how shite at maths he is!

OWNED. lol

[Battle Mage]

The issue is my read on xtoxm is pretty much null either way right now, so another player's input would be good as there's probably something I missed that sways him on way or the other.

in that case, you leave him for now, if nothing dramatically points either way.

BM

Like I said, just asking in case I missed something. If anyone else has comments I would be interested as well, but I thought you might have the best read on him out of everyone.

He's totally town.

You don't count.

the only reason he doesnt count is because if he tried, people would see how shite at maths he is!

OWNED. lol

That's

really

bad, lol.

I was not in any way refering to an ongoing game. It's possible I made a similar comment in a currently ongoing game, but if I did, the two incidents were completely unrelated.

You are the one referencing ongoing games by bringing it up. I could have you modkilled for that.

If pointing out a rule breach results in a similar rule breach, the consequences of said rule breach should be significantly reduced due to the motive of the second, which the first lacks.
And yes, you are well aware that you made the comment in another game. Otherwise you wouldnt have said it here, because it wouldnt have been funny, or even made sense. I was joking about the modkill, but i dont see why you are so jumpy about it, let alone why you are so keen to LIE?

BM

[Battle Mage]

No specific game has been brought up or scenario referenced, its not really referencing on goings......

yeh, hence it being a JOKE and all...

[Battle Mage]

i was tempted to just post a load of emoticons now. But it feels...wrong. I guess, i've matured a little bit. lol

[Battle Mage]

i was tempted to just post a load of emoticons now. But it feels...wrong. I guess, i've matured a little bit. lol

Weak excuses....

what??

[Battle Mage]

Ive played a fair few games with Xtoxm, but never seen him as scum.

And i've never seen you as town...

lol apart from this game, thats probably true.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Also, there seems to be a lot of noise lately inflating the size of this thread, and I'm not sure if it's a BM playstyle, or something to think about

i dont understand what this bit means....

Also, as far as activity goes, i'm expecting great things of you. What did you make of Matt's analysis of Dahill and my subsequent comments?

BM

I meant that there seems to be a lot of irrelevent posting coming from you, but I was joking, hence the .

Can you link me to the analysis you specificly are talking about? This game is sort of bluring to me, and I'm still getting a handle on where the posts are, remember, to me it feels like 100 pages in about a realtime week

What you need to do is look through my posts in isolation. It was only about a week ago, and itll be the massive posts quoting Matt S.

And yeh, i am posting some random stuff, but then people are accusing me of lurking, and yet not doing any work themselves. Im content to call myself one of the most active scumhunters here. But i cant FORCE others to do the same. Unless you proxy your vote to me. Then we'll give it a damn good try.

[Battle Mage]

See, this is what I get for trying to participate in the game without finishing my read through. Matt_S presents a strong case against dahill1, and is acting very protown, as he's not even trying to setup dahill1 for a lynch, just showing how useless he has been.

Tonight when I get home I will address specifics in the analysis, and add a bit more I saw, and I saw since (Can't make real substantial posts from here )

EBWOP: I see you found it.

Your view is interesting, as i felt it gave the opposite read on Matt. He clearly made the analysis with the intention of making Dahill look bad. Thats not a criticism as such-just a fact. Yet, surprisingly, he didnt follow up with a vote, despite his own admission that the case was solid.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'll be honest, there is no chance I'm going to reread bm's posts in isolation.

muahahaha! My evil plan has finally come into fruitition! Now nobody will discover my incredibly scummy play throughout the game!

BM

[Battle Mage]

See, this is what I get for trying to participate in the game without finishing my read through. Matt_S presents a strong case against dahill1, and is acting very protown, as he's not even trying to setup dahill1 for a lynch, just showing how useless he has been.

Tonight when I get home I will address specifics in the analysis, and add a bit more I saw, and I saw since (Can't make real substantial posts from here )

EBWOP: I see you found it.

Your view is interesting, as i felt it gave the opposite read on Matt. He clearly made the analysis with the intention of making Dahill look bad. Thats not a criticism as such-just a fact. Yet, surprisingly, he didnt follow up with a vote, despite his own admission that the case was solid.

BM

The lack of a vote to me seemed like it made for genuine case for analysis v.s. setting up a case for a lynch. And that is how the whole post felt to me.

Now, whether that is a good thing or not is a good question, leaves a lot of room for wiggle. But honestly his analysis felt town, and it seemed on the mark. Dahill is looking like #1 for me right now.

No, i think we understand each other perfectly well. In my opinion, the lack of a vote was inconsistent with his analysis. I can quite understand a townie going into an analysis with a skewed viewpoint, and then casting a vote on his biased case. What i cant quite figure is a townie discovering what he believes is a really strong case, and then choosing not to follow up on it with a vote. Its just...odd.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Now, whether that is a good thing or not is a good question, leaves a lot of room for wiggle. But honestly his analysis felt town, and it seemed on the mark. Dahill is looking like #1 for me right now.

what do you think about Imat?

I hereby redirect this question to everyone in the game as well as Surye.

why dont you want to let Surye answer a question himself?

BM

[Battle Mage]

Now, whether that is a good thing or not is a good question, leaves a lot of room for wiggle. But honestly his analysis felt town, and it seemed on the mark. Dahill is looking like #1 for me right now.

what do you think about Imat?

I hereby redirect this question to everyone in the game as well as Surye.

why dont you want to let Surye answer a question himself?

BM

all he said wa he wanted everyone else to answer it too. He never said Surye didn't have to or anything.

usually when 1 player asks a question specifically to another player, my policy is that i let them answer it first. There are few things i personally find more annoying than if i am interrogating someone on something which they might slip up on, and then someone else wades in and bails them out. On principle, just let Surye answer first please.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i think we need to end this day soon. This game has already reached more pages than any of my 3 large theme games, and we arent even half way through.

BM

[Battle Mage]

yeh, i think TS is probably town.

[Battle Mage]

Care to explain why? Because she sure looks scummy to me.

Its hard to explain. Im sure i had a go at doing so earlier. lol
Basically, i think the way her wagon is being pushed is very scummy, and she is an easy mislynch at this point. She certainly isnt that scummy in comparison to her protown self. Not enough to warrant lynching today.

TS lynch is a no-go.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Scummy wagon push, Incog being very pro-town in retrospect, TS being as pro-town as possible for her.

I've never played with her before. If her meta is what you say it is, I'd probably go back to skitzer over dahill.

hey what about Imat? seriously, is everyone besides me and armlx ignoring him?

i seem to recall considering him as one of the only players i DIDN'T want to lynch earlier. That speaks volumes.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not lynching someone V/LA. I've read his posts, and the only reason i can see that you would want to vote for him is OMGUS. Not buying it.

BM

[Battle Mage]

good. lets not prolong the day any longer then.

[Battle Mage]

i think we should go for the strudel lynch, only to get the day over with. i agree with BM, plus there isn't much more going on right now.

those 2 sentences contradict each other. if you've been reading, you would have noticed that BM is strongly

opposed

to a TS lynch. also, that is a really scummy reason to lynch someone. you really have nothing else to comment on?

FoS: Mnowax

QFAT. Couldnt have put it better myself.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Loser Mafia is not a good sample size. Just saying.

Simply put, DGB is one of the most random players on MS. She does lots of randomly, somewhat logically based things, and enough of them seem to work out. An equal amount also don't.

there is one so random that you never know who they are. and his name is MNOWAX.

i think we should go for the strudel lynch, only to get the day over with. i agree with BM, plus there isn't much more going on right now.

You should be voting someone because you think they are scum not to end the day...Don't like that.

Well duh...

Yeh sorry bout the absence, i didnt have time to post last night before i went to sleep.
In future, i'll post in V/LA, ok?

BM

[Battle Mage]

This whole game is a wasteland of BattleMage quote pyramids. Whoever gets lynched is lucky.

amen

I also amen.

Confirm Vote: Dahill

BM

[Battle Mage]

lol thanks

Unvote, Vote: Dahill

[Battle Mage]

actually

Unvote

I want the pleasure of hammering him.

BM