Micro 812 - The Arena II - Game Over

[Dunnstral]

I'm pretty paranoid as town and it makes my reads fluctuate and it makes it harder for me to be townread. I'm working on it

You don't need to try to be townread as town, reads changing isn't a bad thing

[Dunnstral]

I townread Irrelephant for the same reason I townread Mylo; he showed significant support for a plan that would lose him the game if carried out.

I guess but I feel like half the game rolled over and said they wouldn't mind being lynched after the first scum lynch so they could be blending in with that

[Something_Smart]

I townread Irrelephant for the same reason I townread Mylo; he showed significant support for a plan that would lose him the game if carried out.

I guess but I feel like half the game rolled over and said they wouldn't mind being lynched after the first scum lynch so they could be blending in with that

I don't think so? It mostly happened with me and Mylo after Mylo's bad challenge.

And Irrelephant wasn't even here for that part, so it would be an advanced move to blend in with something that wasn't even happening anymore.

I'm going to put this down. I should be around close to deadline if there's a good reason to change it.

VOTE: Flubber

[BNL]

VC 6.3

Irrelephant11 (0) -
Flubbernugget (1) - Something_Smart
Not Voting (1) - Dunnstral

Mod notes:
With 2 votes in play it takes 2 to lynch
The deadline is 31 July 10am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2018-07-31 10:00:00)
Request for deadline extension has been denied

[Dunnstral]

Alright, let's hope this ends the game then

VOTE: Flubbernugget

[BNL]

VC 6.4

Irrelephant11 (0) -
Flubbernugget (2) - Something_Smart, Dunnstral

(LYNCH)

Not Voting (0) -

Mod notes:
A lynch has been achieved

[BNL]

Flubbernugget has been lynched. He was

Town

[BNL]

Night 6 begins now, and ends on 2 August 6:30am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2018-08-02 06:30:00)

It will end 24 hours earlier if all living players request for it

[BNL]

All players have requested for shortened night

Dunnstral is the Gladiator for Day 7, who has challenged Something_Smart

[BNL]

VC 7.0

Dunnstral (0) -
Something_Smart (0) -
Not Voting (1) - Irrelephant11

Mod notes:
With 1 vote in play it takes 1 to lynch
The deadline is on 6 August 7am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2018-08-06 07:00:00)

[Something_Smart]

Please tell me you would just end the game if Irrelephant were scum...

[BNL]

Also happy birthday BNL

Thanks

[Irrelephant11]

Wow this seemed like the least likely scenario, me not being in the duo

Make your cases I’m no troll, I’m town

[Dunnstral]

Wow this seemed like the least likely scenario, me not being in the duo

Make your cases I’m no troll, I’m town

Who is most likely to pick me gladiator as scum, me or SS?

SS picked me because he thought I would pick you, winning him the game. Likewise, if it were me I'd make the gladiator Irrele"Dunn has a 3% chance of being scum"phant for the win

On mobile and about to get off but here are some things to think on:
-SS was kind of frozen while NM got votes on day 1, then didn't say anything when scioness sajj got a quick turnaround in votes
-SS insisted that he'd only pick gladiator randomly d1 as scum, kind of avoided the question
-The main reason SS wasn't lynched is because it looked like I would gladiate him but why would I do that as scum? I don't know why or how this worked out for him, all I can say is maybe it was a desperate gambit or he knew my meta more than I thought
Reminder, SS never wanted to sit here in this lylo with me, he wanted me to pick you
-When SS was gladiator it was against ceejay who was the de facto lynch - in other words super safe for him
-Yesterday we didn't really interact but he really wanted to get flubber when I displayed a scumread on you = setup to make me gladiator?

Scum has a lot of controll over not getting their partner lynched

Clearly not...

Amusing in retrospect

I think it is pretty clear that SS is scum

If you want to know anything else like why I picked SS tonight and not you or who my gladiates would be or why I can answer tomorrow

[Something_Smart]

That's good for my nerves at least

I agree that this was an unlikely situation. From my point of view, Dunn orchestrated this situation completely. (Picking himself, and then challenging me.) That makes sense, since the one thing he was most confident about was that you suspected me over him.

[Something_Smart]

-When SS was gladiator it was against ceejay who was the de facto lynch - in other words super safe for him

I'm not going to try to refute this entire thing, I'll just point out that this is true for Dunn as well (against ZZZX).

[Irrelephant11]

SS who were all your choices for gladiator

[Something_Smart]

Mylo, Mylo, ceejay, ceejay, Flubber, Irrelephant.

[Irrelephant11]

Interesting. Why me?

[Irrelephant11]

If you want to know anything else like why I picked SS tonight and not you or who my gladiates would be or why I can answer tomorrow

I will want this, yes

[Irrelephant11]

agree that this was an unlikely situation. From my point of view, Dunn orchestrated this situation completely. (Picking himself, and then challenging me.) That makes sense, since the one thing he was most confident about was that you suspected me over him.

Why wouldn't Dunn just make me the challenger?

[Something_Smart]

Interesting. Why me?

I thought that scum-Dunn wouldn't make me gladiator (since if he wanted me and you gladiated he'd just pick you).

agree that this was an unlikely situation. From my point of view, Dunn orchestrated this situation completely. (Picking himself, and then challenging me.) That makes sense, since the one thing he was most confident about was that you suspected me over him.

Why wouldn't Dunn just make me the challenger?

Maybe because he thought you would mind-game it. I would never pick you as gladiator, so it might have been optimal for you to gladiate Dunn under the assumption that you only get made gladiator if he's scum. And if you do get made gladiator and challenge him, I almost definitely hang him.

[Irrelephant11]

Alright, I've learned my lesson - don't ask wifomy questions

SS take me through sumstral from the start of the game. It's confirmed for you so help me see it

[Irrelephant11]

Alright, I've learned my lesson - don't ask wifomy questions

SS take me through Scumstral from the start of the game. It's confirmed for you so help me see it

ebwop

[Something_Smart]

I mean, it's a wifomy game. You can't really avoid arguments like that.

I think the key point of this game was Day 3, where Dunn was chosen as gladiator after saying he suspected me. This was after Not_Mafia was dead, so if I were scum and Dunn had chosen me, I would have almost certainly lost on the spot. Dunn himself pointed this out, which was the reason that both of us were left alone. That's really the only reason I didn't consider Dunn as scum; because if scum he essentially towncleared me for no reason by doing that. And that's a reason equally valid from an objective perspective-- if he were scum he would have just made things mechanically MUCH harder on himself.

This logic was valid right up until the dawn of this day, when Dunn essentially retracted his claim that I am clear from that pick. Since he is no longer calling me town for it, that objective reason why EVERYONE should have been townreading him was made invalid, since the motive in keeping me around when there is suspicion on me is very clearly EASIER for scum-Dunn if he does plan to eventually add me back to the lynchpool.

I am by no means saying that he would not have done this as town, but that was the only reason

I

kept him alive, at least. Now that it's invalid, it requires no assumptions of extraordinary play, gambiting, or guessing to assume that Dunn is scum; whereas, to assume that I'm scum still assumes that I gladiated into the only person who expressed a scumread on me, and a fairly decisive scumread at that, in the hope that he would get out-WIFOMed and target someone else. (Not to mention that Flubber was chosen D2 who had ALSO expressed some suspicion on me.)

Is there anything that you think makes Dunn towny?