Micro 1084 | Quantum Mafia | Game Over

[JasonWazza]

Well that would be +3 for both scum members, which would make the next set Doctor Drew/Aliana.

[heipizhu4]

Well that would be +3 for both scum members, which would make the next set Doctor Drew/Aliana.

So my hypotheses is: The only way for town to win is to find a day when only one scum is alive and out of box, then vote them out?

[Ircher]

OK. Another big claim after jason's post
Jason has been telling the truth. The current scum is imagine and I, and we have put no one in the box.
Jason's hypotheses of the +/-1 is wrong. My only guess for day3 scum is bianco and doctor, who haven't been the scum in the previous days.

Shouldn't you have waited for your alignment to actually change?

[bugspray]

OK. Another big claim after jason's post
Jason has been telling the truth. The current scum is imagine and I, and we have put no one in the box.
Jason's hypotheses of the +/-1 is wrong. My only guess for day3 scum is bianco and doctor, who haven't been the scum in the previous days.

Shouldn't you have waited for your alignment to actually change?

]If you believe in good faith that the actions you are taking will lead to you winning the game then they are allowed.

[imaginality]

With that resolved, I can confirm what heip said.

Kinda wary though because I feel like there must be more twists to this setup or else it's always in current-scum interests to no-kill to give future-town-including-them better chance of winning.

Although I guess with alignments changing it actually doesn't make much difference. Since we as town have to figure out who the new scum are which can be anyone.

[Ircher]

Is it the same thread or different? Can you see what I wrote previously?

[imaginality]

The same.

[imaginality]

And yes, we can see your earlier conversation.

[Doctor Drew]

Well that would be +3 for both scum members, which would make the next set Doctor Drew/Aliana.

Called her by her actual name.

Guys, Jason is still scum.

[JasonWazza]

I mean i've done that a few times (basically since we boxed her), and also, i wouldn't know if i was scum right now?

[JasonWazza]

@Mod: do we know if it's possible for a player in the box to also be affected by the quantum phase?

[bugspray]

@Mod: do we know if it's possible for a player in the box to also be affected by the quantum phase?

That is not public information.

[bugspray]

Reality is warping!

[bugspray]

Two copies of Aliana escape from the box, one alive and one dead. The living one appears to be a Quantum Townie. Eventually they shake around and get all wobbly in weird quantum ways before only the corpse of a Quantum Townie remains.

[bugspray]

Reality is shifting wildly again! Your roles have changed. Once everyone with a new role confirms we will begin Day 3.

[qm camille]

day 3 begins

votecount 3.0

• not voting [6]:
  heipizhu4, Doctor Drew, biancospino, JasonWazza, Ircher, imaginality
  
  it takes 4 votes to put someone in the box
  
  
  deadline:
  (expired on 2023-07-11 21:05:07)

Spoiler: votelog

joint moderator ISO

[Ircher]

VOTE: JasonWazza

[JasonWazza]

It might be worth waiting for CJ to be flipped, just a thought.

I frankly don't understand how we as players influence this game with anything useful at this point though.

[JasonWazza]

@Mod: No dead players alignment's are listed, do they retain their alignment from when they are flipped?

[qm camille]

@Mod: No dead players alignment's are listed, do they retain their alignment from when they are flipped?

Merlyn and Aliana are dead Quantum Townies

[JasonWazza]

I'm going to point out that this is technically a non-answer.

[imaginality]

Confirming I'm now a townie again.

And I agree with Jason. If scum change each day then there's no benefit to them to kill a townie. If it leads to a scum win chances are it won't be a them win as they'll more likely be town than scum by then.

If we have to lim compared to no lim, then we need to lim scum because otherwise ultimately it gets down to 2v2 and whoever happens to be scum then will win, at the expense of all the dead townies. So there's kinda motivation to scum hunt and for scum to hide? It's just a constricted type of scum hunting since they weren't scum previous days. Maybe we can see difference in gameplay.

If on the other hand, we can no lim and do so, and scum no lim too, then hmm, maybe we get to live happily ever after?

Obviously all this with a caveat of who knows what further shenanigans may be afoot.

VOTE: no lim

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Ircher

[JasonWazza]

If we have to lim compared to no lim, then we need to lim scum because otherwise ultimately it gets down to 2v2 and whoever happens to be scum then will win, at the expense of all the dead townies. So there's kinda motivation to scum hunt and for scum to hide? It's just a constricted type of scum hunting since they weren't scum previous days. Maybe we can see difference in gameplay.

Just to be clear, your forgetting the wording of the Scum PM.

You win when

all

Quantum Townies are dead.

Even if you hit 2v2 and are scum, it means nothing.

And if players in the box can change alignments, we benefit from only removing 1 player per day (and scum don't benefit from boxing themselves due to that inevitably putting the control out of their hands when they change alignments)

Also i'll point out the wording of the town PM while i'm at it.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Realistically this has to be achievable in some fashion, the word Eliminated being here makes me think that this can only be achieved by lims, and if that is the case, we need to re-sync ourselves to get flips immediately, rather then on a delay of multiple days. (A lim right now, would only give us actual information in 2 days.)

I'll also point out that 4v2 isn't terrible here, as we gain the benefit of the scum pair WANTING to eliminate each other. (Scum benefit post alignment change from liming their partner, and while they can't claim scum, nothing says that they can't be more overly focused on bussing their partner.)

I also don't think scum team claims are useful to us at this point, as it's just going to continue muddying the waters, and not actually give us anything beneficial in the long term.

@Mod: If the entire town agrees, can we choose to start skipping the morning phase?

[imaginality]

If we have to lim compared to no lim, then we need to lim scum because otherwise ultimately it gets down to 2v2 and whoever happens to be scum then will win, at the expense of all the dead townies. So there's kinda motivation to scum hunt and for scum to hide? It's just a constricted type of scum hunting since they weren't scum previous days. Maybe we can see difference in gameplay.

Just to be clear, your forgetting the wording of the Scum PM.

You win when

all

Quantum Townies are dead.

Even if you hit 2v2 and are scum, it means nothing.

I'm not forgetting the wording. But when it's 2v2 scum can force no lim, kill and then it's 1v2 next day and they win. Even given alignments can change there's still 2/3 chance they're scum again in the 1v2 so it is clearly to their advantage to force the no lim at 2v2.