Shell Game (Day 4)

[Firebagel]

How many super secret alts are there in this game?!?

Also why are people voting experience even more now? Is it even a good idea to flip in that hood today? Can we still resolve the accuracy of the cop shots if we start losing them already?

[Hermit Crab]

I’m the only true super secret alt.
Reread didn’t happen yet, but I’m leaning on voting Gypyx atm.

-HM

[experience]

Wolfbae literally said in hood that it isnt really a secret

that's true.
i'm going to bed now.
it's past midnight for me.

[marcistar]

I could vote gypyx as well

[Hermit Crab]

Also this is kinda naive reasoning but I don’t think experience is scum here because I would think scum in dethy would be trying hard right now, since they have incentive to do so.

-HM

[marcistar]

EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

[marcistar]

SECRET GO BRR

[Hermit Crab]

Not interested in knowing, because I know I’ve never played with their main to begin with.

-HM

[marcistar]

Also this is kinda naive reasoning but I don’t think experience is scum here because I would think scum in dethy would be trying hard right now, since they have incentive to do so.

-HM

Eh i kinda think how the scum in the hood plays is all dependant on the player. I do think experience is pretty sussy though.

[experience]

EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

if it helps explain your read on wolfbae, maybe.
but otherwise, i would say no.

[PenguinPower]

I could vote gypyx as well

i would prefer this tbh

[Dannflor]

Also this is kinda naive reasoning but I don’t think experience is scum here because I would think scum in dethy would be trying hard right now, since they have incentive to do so.

-HM

isn’t that kinda what experience is doing compared to their previous play

[marcistar]

I could vote gypyx as well

i would prefer this tbh

Do you wanna do it rn or let experience marinate in the pressure?

[marcistar]

EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

if it helps explain your read on wolfbae, maybe.
but otherwise, i would say no.

PLEASE I CANT HOLD IT IN

WOLFBAE IS PETAPAN 100%

[Dannflor]

I kinda just think this playerlist is full of a lot of headstrong and highly skilled town players that all want their own pocket scum reads to be correct and probably want the game to be harder than it actually is

like i think at this point the team *can* realistically just be sircakez/gypyx/experience + 1

[PenguinPower]

I could vote gypyx as well

i would prefer this tbh

Do you wanna do it rn or let experience marinate in the pressure?

wagons on experience rn and i'm okay with that.

i can see both as scum.

[SirCakez]

I'm not altering my play style because half of this game is incapable of reading me
I'm having fun so I'm happy with that

okay

ily

<3

To me Gypyx feels like a slot scum should have been trying to push if it was town and yet there just wasn't traction really which is probably telling.

This is a good point I haven't considered. Nobody's really been talking about Gypyx at all today til this.

[marcistar]

I kinda just think this playerlist is full of a lot of headstrong and highly skilled town players that all want their own pocket scum reads to be correct and probably want the game to be harder than it actually is

like i think at this point the team *can* realistically just be sircakez/gypyx/experience + 1

It could be but realistically i think one of them wouldve stepped it up AT LEAST

I could vote gypyx as well

i would prefer this tbh

Do you wanna do it rn or let experience marinate in the pressure?

wagons on experience rn and i'm okay with that.

i can see both as scum.

Mood tbh

Who do you thinks with them?

[SirCakez]

Experience's readslist was not very compelling. Why is the lowest read null scum??

[SirCakez]

I am having a (admittedly probably bad) urge to flip cakez to force them to play that hand literally tomorrow if I am right, instead of being able to sit on it until it is most advantageous for them to play it.

Nooo ;_;
What if we didn't eliminate me just to develop your read on one player
I like that better

[SirCakez]

EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

if it helps explain your read on wolfbae, maybe.
but otherwise, i would say no.

PLEASE I CANT HOLD IT IN

WOLFBAE IS PETAPAN 100%

Luke is this who you thought Wolf was? Does it change your read?

[marcistar]

EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

if it helps explain your read on wolfbae, maybe.
but otherwise, i would say no.

PLEASE I CANT HOLD IT IN

WOLFBAE IS PETAPAN 100%

Luke is this who you thought Wolf was? Does it change your read?

The true question is what do you think of his alignment now that you know that

[SirCakez]

I have some issues with Sunflower's response to Spiffeh's case in 4254

-In general I agree with Spiffeh's overall assessment that the entire defense is basically self-metaing that they wouldn't play this way as scum. The problem with that for me is Spiffeh's arguments aren't really related to meta at all. So I don't really find "oh I wouldn't play like this as scum" to be a compelling argument.

-Some of the thoughts stated in the post don't seem real to me. For example, Sunflower claims that they were playing pro-town by being inactive day 1 because of how many posts the game was getting. But as a townie, I think it's clearly most important to have your voice heard in thread and to engage others. I don't think townies strategize this way - intentionally posting less to help town?? That just doesn't seem like a legit defense at all. Another point I disliked was the argument that only town would have crumbed in this situation. I find that to be obviously not true across Mafia as a whole, but even specifically to this game, Sunflower's stated awareness of this argument essentially renders it mute because they can twist their own meta to fit the defense.

-I am also not a fan of their defense against Spiffeh's (and mine and some other people's too I think) argument that their vote on Brian was bussing. Saying there was no credit to be gained in voting Brian is not true because there has already been discussion about who was pushing Brian vs who was pushing me, and when I am inevitably eliminated or vigged this game Day One is going to come under a lot of scrutiny as to who was trying to save Brian by pushing me. Sunflower would have looked even worse if they had continued to sit on their vote on me instead of moving to Brian. So maybe there wasn't a ton of towncred to be grabbed from this situation but there certainly is scum motivation for this kind of vote maneuvering.

[SirCakez]

EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

if it helps explain your read on wolfbae, maybe.
but otherwise, i would say no.

PLEASE I CANT HOLD IT IN

WOLFBAE IS PETAPAN 100%

Luke is this who you thought Wolf was? Does it change your read?

The true question is what do you think of his alignment now that you know that

I'm torn, Peta is always hard for me to read and he hasn't been around this game for that long yet. I think his interactions with me have felt genuine enough I suppose. Wouldn't eliminate today.

[Lukewarm]

EEH GUYS IS IT OKAY IF I SAY WHO WOLFBAE IS IM

if it helps explain your read on wolfbae, maybe.
but otherwise, i would say no.

PLEASE I CANT HOLD IT IN

WOLFBAE IS PETAPAN 100%

Oh. That is not who I was very confidently sorting them as. I was very sure they were Prism.

Peta is in fact the person I had a sudden sinking feeling that it could be just a little bit ago.

I retract like 70% of my suspicion on them, because it was really tied up in it being prism.

I did have a brief moment of thinking that experience bringing up that micro game (which prompted me to skim my own iso to see if it there were actually any similarities to back up their read change) was informed on wolfbae's identity, because reading that game is where I had the realization it could be Peta.

But then I remembered that he could have picked that in the dethy hood, so probably a nothingburger