NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everybody in the town except MBL had poro/boo as scum, we were just looking for the final one.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where is the scum QT and why did people keep replacing out of that slot?

[Bookitty]

Anyone could have been lynched on a whim. Many townies were.

Porochaz was a major force in winning this for us by making calm and reasoned arguments in the Scum PT.

I, on the other hand, am terrible at playing scum. I think my play throughout this game will bear this out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well, in any case, it really was down to ika who's slot kept replacing out. The rest of you were caught.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where is the scum QT and why did people keep replacing out of that slot?

[Bookitty]

I don't agree, and here's why:

We needed just one person to vote a townie. Since we had daytalk, we had the chance to coordinate a strike like the one that happened today.

VitaminR was conftown, but yesterday no one knew that. You wanted to lynch him.

Porochaz was ready to push through a lynch on me today if we had to. He had set that up brilliantly yesterday.

I had the impression that more than a couple of townies thought you were scum, ABR.

So it's not so clear-cut as you are saying now. If it had been, our plan would not have worked today.

[Bookitty]

Until Patrick comes back and gets permission from people, I don't think we can reveal the scum PT. I have no objection to making it public, but I don't know how others feel on that subject.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I had the impression that more than a couple of townies thought you were scum, ABR.

No, it was just MBL. You and Porochaz were done. Only ika slipped.

[Bookitty]

Then why would you vote MBL over your two certainties in LYLO?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Because MBL would vote for me over scum in LYLO, and I don't have the patience to wait another month for the same outcome.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everything hinged on who MBL suspected, and he proved that he was incapable of changing his perspective. At that moment, the game was done.

[Bookitty]

You don't need to figure out the whole scum team right now though. You just need 1 name that's most likely. Any focus on the whole team is a distraction.

This was accurate.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MBL has got to come around and see things my way so we can push the final nail into your collective coffin.

This is accurate.

[Patrick]

Scum win. Details later when I'm back

[Porochaz]

I'm going to completely disagree with you ABR, I am holding back a little, I mean DGB played a frustrating game and I got overly angry with her. even after it was clear we were going to kill her. But by the end some of her plays made sense. (but pre-emptive apology to DGB, whilst I don't take everything back, I possibly was a little too harsh) ABR however, Im pretty sure I would have played the same way with you, up until the point I gave up and started sheeping you because I knew there was no way you were going to lynch me if I buddied up to you.

I mean I'm not going to defend some aspects of my play, a lot of real life shit came my way, but also at times it made sense for me strategically to stay in the background. However by the end I had a clear plan and I think I did well to complete it.

What we (or I) found was that you did all the work for us. You went after Yos, CDB, mathcam, vitR to an extent all on your own. You kept pushing the wrong people, and you kept shit voting all over the place. It made it very easy for town to lack direction or purpose, especially because you posted so much that at times the thread became just you, (or just DGB). I have seen it before, where you have done that and I remember it going well for town once, and it completely screwing town over another. After DGB died, you became basically the leader of the town, and as much as you may call me a dick for saying it the lynches after that were primarily you. As I say towards the end, it was easier for me to stay in the background because you were being bullheaded enough to think you were right and shut down the others who thought you were wrong.

Furthermore, yeah, it looked like me and bookie, were the favourites at the end. That said, Im pretty sure that that wouldn't have stuck. But even if it had, in lylo, you vote for who you think is confirmed. Ultimately it was that decision that lost you the game.

[Porochaz]

When I say complete it, I didn't. But Bookie wrote out a first draft of an ABR case for me, which I then expanded and edited. I wonder if more people would have paid attention to it if I had made it a whole lot shorter. I was surprised when I saw the Bookie-ABR lynch. In her first draft, Bookie alluded to it and I expanded into it (reluctantly but she encouraged me to) I would have made the Bookie case today, but a lot shorter and more concise. The primary aim for me today was to get Bookie lynched. (providing we didn't have an opportunity to synch up and lynch a townie) ABR had a weird thing which I don't know if he even realised he was doing, where he didn't follow through anytime he voted Bookie, but always gave very poor reasoning to unvote or change his vote. (but then you possibly could say he was like that with anyone, Im not sure, I was focusing on more specifics) Then use it to prove ABR scum. I mean, it was a clunky plan, and probably wouldnt have worked as intended but I reckon it could have pushed us to the win.

I may be wrong in my assessment here, but I genuinely found ABR scummy as hell. Now obviously, I found this more than most. But noone could have found him as townie as he is claiming?

[Porochaz]

Triple post.

Patrick, I was complaining about the scum power earlier on. I take it back, completely. Even without the synch up, it was so extremely useful.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You had no plan dude. Everything rested on ika. You all got POE'd.

[ika]

now that prtrick gave the gameover:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=53144

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can't read the PT until he makes it public.

[Porochaz]

I got PoE'd a lot. But considering I almost certainly should have been lynched straight after StD and was preparing for it. Then again the next day etc. etc. Now that's not to say, I wouldnt have been lynched now. I think the way it was going one of me and Bookie would have been lynched. However, since your opinion was, by the end, worth absolutely no weight what so ever because your voting was just so changeable, the only way it would have gone through is by someone like chamber or VitaminR or MBL actively pushing it, and all 3 of them would have done more thought than a simple PoE.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You didn't know that I wasn't the vig. If I were, you were done for.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, MBL/chamber/VitR take ages to do anything, which is why for me they are the worst possible candidates to stay until the endgame

Anyway, this was really fun.

Who is ready for an Oldy Mafia 3 that will last until Christmas?

[Albert B. Rampage]

PS: Yosarian, I know that if you were in the endgame, you would have talked me into doing the right thing. chamber doesn't have much influence on me because he comes across as impotent and pouty. DGB would vote straight out the gate and make me sheep her. I think with any other players who know me better, we would have had a better chance, but in the end I had bad synergy with the other town players, who had good synergy between themselves. Ah well.

[ika]

oh btw if it wasnat apparent already:

we had encryptor and it was me. that how we synced up our 3 post hammer