Pine wrote:That is a very solid case by bob. Its strength suggests ONLY one scum in {bob, DH}. I don't buy that as bussing at all, so a DH scum flip would more or less clear bob and vice versa.
Yes, I'm reversing my stance on bob. I only get tunnel vision like this when I'm wrong, and lately I've been seeing the Towniness and been plain stubborn.
OK, before I hit the road for a looooong drive for work, I want to throw out some quick thoughts on what has been happening lately.
1. Bob makes an interesting argument on DH. I'm not certain I agree with every point raised by Bob on DH, but it does cast a suspicion on DH that made me pay attention. The role claim afterward does give me a bit of pause as far as a D1 vote. However, (see point 2)
2. Pine caught my attention just as much by "reversing my (Pine's) stance on Bob" and quickly voting DH. It was a VERY convenient and all-too-quick jump for my taste.
3. But, Pine is still V/LA and even though 1 day is left and "he's semi-posting" I would rather wait for a defense before switching a vote.
Bottom line is that I'm still concerned about hiplop, jil and Pine, with an "I don't know but I'm not happy with" type read on Nintendoaddict. My vote is still on hiplop for now, but that is something I'll review more closely when I can get back on late tonight.
I'm actually a little unsure on this point of theory. If DH is telling the truth, is it the right play for him to out his partner? If he dies without telling us than his partner will never be confirmed. I'm not sure I see the reasoning behind not saying anything.
"What happened to your eye?"
"Ice pick, 1957. Anymore questions?"
"Just asking, jeez..."
By the way, not only does this post make you sound like some snob, you also never commented on whether you believe it or not. The kind of shit that I'm talking about when it comes to you (waiting too long to deliver information).
Do you believe it, do you not believe it, or are you not sure? Why?
And yeah, Pine sets off the scumdar for his vote hop, for reasons Barry Allen said. My scumreads are probably Jil and Pine at this moment, until Spadille's replacement actually says some things.
Pine:
Pine wrote:That is a very solid case by bob. Its strength suggests ONLY one scum in {bob, DH}. I don't buy that as bussing at all, so a DH scum flip would more or less clear bob and vice versa.
Yes, I'm reversing my stance on bob. I only get tunnel vision like this when I'm wrong, and lately I've been seeing the Towniness and been plain stubborn.
Unvote
Vote: DemonHybrid
You haven't explained in the least as to why you agree with it and feel compelled to switch your read on bob.
foilist13 wrote:The point I'm trying to make is that town (namely me) can have an honest motivation to defend other town (namely you) even when they don't need it.
At this point I'm also rather compelled to believe DH is town rather than scum. I'm not sure if defending him is in the best interest of the town so I'll leave it at that, I guess.
Honestly, I think you should out your partner DH. If you get night killed, that person is then clear at least. Plus, hard claiming a partner makes it more difficult on you in the cases that you are scum.
Scumhunter wrote:Honestly, I think you should out your partner DH. If you get night killed, that person is then clear at least. Plus, hard claiming a partner makes it more difficult on you in the cases that you are scum.
Isn't the whole point of being a Mason to clear each other? If he outs whoever is the other half, they could just as easily both be scum. Although, that could happen even if the other half claims.
@Nintendoaddict1: I am referencing a different game in which archaebob and I were both town and I chose to defend him.
RE: Outing Masons: You have two choices. Either you keep it a secret who it is, and maybe plant a breadcrumb that your partner knows about which they can then reference later when they claim, or you can out them. If you out them, you will either get lynched anyway, in which case your partner will probably be killed and that will be the end of the masons, or you defer the lynch and the scum have to decide and either paint both of you as scum or to spend their time killing you off instead of other PR's and having no hope of lynching you during the day.
It's up to you.
"If you are going to tell people the truth, you had better make them laugh. Otherwise they'll kill you."
foilist13 wrote:@Nintendoaddict1: I am referencing a different game in which archaebob and I were both town and I chose to defend him.
RE: Outing Masons: You have two choices. Either you keep it a secret who it is, and maybe plant a breadcrumb that your partner knows about which they can then reference later when they claim, or you can out them. If you out them, you will either get lynched anyway, in which case your partner will probably be killed and that will be the end of the masons, or you defer the lynch and the scum have to decide and either paint both of you as scum or to spend their time killing you off instead of other PR's and having no hope of lynching you during the day.
It's up to you.
Yeah, I'm not going to out my partner. Not quite yet.
Also, hiplop, I noticed you completely ignored my question. It's funny how you think you can sit there and insult ME for being bad, yet you're pretty much completely absentminded in this game.
1. DH is town and outs his partner. We have two pretty much confirmed townies D1. Scum have two confirmed PRs (I consider mason a PR until there's only one left).
2. DH is scum and outs his "partner". We still have two (what appear to be) pretty much confirmed townies D1. Town gets suspicious when both are alive by D3 and lynches one - we then have a confirmed scum in his "partner".
3. DH is town and doesn't out his partner. If there's no CC we still have a confirmed townie, same as option 1. After DH dies, scum either CC the eventual mason claim or they don't. But look at it this way: we have two people claiming to be DH's partner, in the worst case scenario, we have one confirmed scum and a dead townie (essentially VT at this point). Good trade-off If no-one CCs the mason claim there's no problem.
4. DH is scum and doesn't out his partner. After DH doesn't die for a couple nights, town gets suspicious and make him claim. DH is then faced with the choice of either giving up or outing his scumbuddy in the chance that town will believe him.
Note how 3 is a much better option than 1, unless it happens in LyLo. If town-DH dies his partner needs to claim the day before LyLo just to prevent scenario 3 from actually being a bad scenario.
Now notice how both 2 and 4 are not too great for scum, making mason a terrible fakeclaim. Scum fakeclaiming mason are pretty much never going to out their "partner" for obvious reasons, but then it will be fairly obvious that they were lying about their claim once they survive the night a couple times. This makes mason one of the worst claims for scum D1, so the chance of DH being scum is tiny at this point.
For now, it is best to assume DH is town, which means he should NOT out his partner.
The only way scum can get away with fakeclaiming mason is for town to really not know how to handle the claim -preautionary measures that must be taken:
1. If DH is still alive after a little while we need an investigation/lynch on him.
2. DH's partner needs to claim the day before LyLo so scum can't effectively CC.
That's it. The only group that benefits in the long run from DH outing his partner are scum.
Lawl. Ace, I think you got the impression because I (laughing, by the way) noticed that Archaebob said Jil was getting replaced first if I'm not mistaken at around page 14/15, then I think you read that because soon afterwards you started saying that too. Rather amusing from the sidelines, really. ^^
So, clarifying, from what I know Jilynne is NOT being replaced. She... should have been back today but I'm guessing she had school.
Vote Pine
He's really scummy in my books so far anyway and I'll second Bob on wanting more content from him.
I'm curious, general question to anyone, what are your thoughts on Heliman so far?
OK. I'm here, and I'm gonna be reading here and there throughout the day. I try to be concise when I can, so I'll probably slam you all with lots of little posts rather than one ginormous one while I catch up. I apologize if I rehash something someone has already said.
First thing of note -
nintendoaddict1 wrote:
archaebob wrote:
nintendoaddict1 wrote:
archaebob wrote:
nintendoaddict1 wrote:
RVS: Spad
cause it sounds like spud.
Why are you labeling your vote as random? Nervous much?
vote: nintendoaddict1
Cause I used random.org and then typed up some lolwut reason.
Using a randomizer to pick your vote and then making sure everyone knows just how random it is defeats the purpose of a random vote, and makes you sound like nervous scum.
Wagon please.
No, I like to make it clear when I am using an RVS vote, because some people do not make it known, thus it makes it very confusing as to whether or not it is actually random, so unless I say RVS I am making a serious vote.
I present to the jury three town games and a scum game, none of which feature Nintendoaddict feeling the need to preface his vote with an "RVS:" If it's scummy that he felt the need to do so, it's even
more
scummy that he felt the need to lie about why he was doing it.
