TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also another reason to kill dats today is if we fo Bella and Bella is town and I get shot

I am not sure you two will turn on each other and then there might be "is Mith scum?" talks

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like, are you trying to provoke me into getting frustrated? because i would much rather you vote me out today than me lose more nerves about mafia

I'm really not. I'm laying on my back dilating while I type posts on my phone. I don't have enough fucks to give to try qnd purposefully frustrate you lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm trying to honestly assess the game and decide what 2 people, if we kill them, always wins us the game?

[Menalque]

I think dats, if he is scum here, is aware that he’s under pressure and needs to keep me on side to have a chance at winning later

I think he knew I was strongly set enough on jjh that trying to bring me over would have been the thing that fully set my paranoia alarm off and that he knows well enough not to try that

Not to mention that I was never having day end in a 4/4 tie

[Datisi]

like, mena is giving a possible world for me being town, which you're asking for, and you're turning it into "ah so you're saying they're scum" like come the fuck on

[Menalque]

I think dats, if he is scum here, is aware that he’s under pressure and needs to keep me on side to have a chance at winning later

I think he knew I was strongly set enough on jjh that trying to bring me over would have been the thing that fully set my paranoia alarm off and that he knows well enough not to try that

Not to mention that I was never having day end in a 4/4 tie

I wrote 1st para in present tense but I meant it from his point of view at the time yesterday

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Right now my answer is either Dats/Mena or Dats/Bella.

But then I worry about Mith a little and then I wonder if Dats is town its obv better to do mena/bella so now I need to fully assess my read there again so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think dats, if he is scum here, is aware that he’s under pressure and needs to keep me on side to have a chance at winning later

I think he knew I was strongly set enough on jjh that trying to bring me over would have been the thing that fully set my paranoia alarm off and that he knows well enough not to try that

Not to mention that I was never having day end in a 4/4 tie

I wrote 1st para in present tense but I meant it from his point of view at the time yesterday

Nah I got you. It's understood.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like, mena is giving a possible world for me being town, which you're asking for, and you're turning it into "ah so you're saying they're scum" like come the fuck on

Yes that is my JOB Dats.

Like fuck. Mena thinks you are town. Am I meant to just present no objection to their arguments?

I am arguing what my brain sees to get replies from another player when only one player can be scum.

Just because I am arguing from the position of killing you doesn't mean I'm set on it.

If I was? I'd just go

"Mith, Bella qe are doing Dats today let's go"

And cut mena out of it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So how about you cut me some fucking slack

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't play like you do. I get it.

But if you just want me to kill you and not do my due diligence you can just say so. I got better shit to be doing also. I don't need the abuse about how I'm being so unfair to you.

I am solving and doing my due diligence. Let me fucking investigate.

[Menalque]

Also another reason to kill dats today is if we fo Bella and Bella is town and I get shot

I am not sure you two will turn on each other and then there might be "is Mith scum?" talks

I think you don’t understand the dynamic that dats and I have

We’ve played a lot of games together, we had a period where I fooled him a few times, a period where he fooled me a few times, a period where every game was intense paranoia and a bit unfun and didn’t play for a while, and I think have reached a point where we’re okay at balancing it

Although I did tell him that if he flips scum here then him not being hyper paranoid of me in future games is a scumtell for him

My point is — yes, I think either of us with neighbouriser almost always hoods the other N1 unless there was a very strong suspicion they had of that person, and even then probably still makes the hood sometimes to try and nail down the read

However, we’re both still independent players looking at the game and I don’t think either would buy the other one trying to sell Mith in a f3 where we flip Bella today and she’s town. I just don’t believe that happens, I know I’m not being sold on that, again Mith is basically as good as conftown to me after the ali interactions followed by successfully shooting scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think dats, if he is scum here, is aware that he’s under pressure and needs to keep me on side to have a chance at winning later

I think he knew I was strongly set enough on jjh that trying to bring me over would have been the thing that fully set my paranoia alarm off and that he knows well enough not to try that

Not to mention that I was never having day end in a 4/4 tie

I wrote 1st para in present tense but I meant it from his point of view at the time yesterday

So then tell me this. You were never letting it end in 4/4 tie. Did you tell Dats this? Would you have flipped to make it Ythan if it was 4/4?

[Menalque]

Let me check, hang on

[Datisi]

ok i'm gonna fuck off from this thread fir a bit before i say something i don't want to say

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also another reason to kill dats today is if we fo Bella and Bella is town and I get shot

I am not sure you two will turn on each other and then there might be "is Mith scum?" talks

I think you don’t understand the dynamic that dats and I have

We’ve played a lot of games together, we had a period where I fooled him a few times, a period where he fooled me a few times, a period where every game was intense paranoia and a bit unfun and didn’t play for a while, and I think have reached a point where we’re okay at balancing it

Although I did tell him that if he flips scum here then him not being hyper paranoid of me in future games is a scumtell for him

My point is — yes, I think either of us with neighbouriser almost always hoods the other N1 unless there was a very strong suspicion they had of that person, and even then probably still makes the hood sometimes to try and nail down the read

However, we’re both still independent players looking at the game and I don’t think either would buy the other one trying to sell Mith in a f3 where we flip Bella today and she’s town. I just don’t believe that happens, I know I’m not being sold on that, again Mith is basically as good as conftown to me after the ali interactions followed by successfully shooting scum

So for you, your perspective isn't "Dats is number 1 town"

It's "one of me dats and bella is scum, and if I convince the town to kill the other 2 I win"

Which is unfortunately also the wcum wincon between you three ahahah

[Menalque]

I can answer the second bit tho — yes, but there’s no way I ever would have admitted it and I would have made the vote in the final 30 seconds before deadline officially expired

I can find evidence of me sticking to a line like that too to force the compromise the other way too, it was from a coalition game I played ages ago

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ok i'm gonna fuck off from this thread fir a bit before i say something i don't want to say

i mean okay sure

This is not better than insulting me it's insulting me in potentia but I guess I get it.

Still feels shitty when I feel like I am being fully fair

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can answer the second bit tho — yes, but there’s no way I ever would have admitted it and I would have made the vote in the final 30 seconds before deadline officially expired

I can find evidence of me sticking to a line like that too to force the compromise the other way too, it was from a coalition game I played ages ago

Nah I believe it.

It's a question of "does Dats believe it?"

Because my PoV is ali spent ALL yesterday trying to con me into voting Ythan.

So I'm trying to find the winline Ali has if I do.

If Bella is never flipping and neither are Ythan and Mith... It's you right? You are vote 5?

[Menalque]

Also another reason to kill dats today is if we fo Bella and Bella is town and I get shot

I am not sure you two will turn on each other and then there might be "is Mith scum?" talks

I think you don’t understand the dynamic that dats and I have

We’ve played a lot of games together, we had a period where I fooled him a few times, a period where he fooled me a few times, a period where every game was intense paranoia and a bit unfun and didn’t play for a while, and I think have reached a point where we’re okay at balancing it

Although I did tell him that if he flips scum here then him not being hyper paranoid of me in future games is a scumtell for him

My point is — yes, I think either of us with neighbouriser almost always hoods the other N1 unless there was a very strong suspicion they had of that person, and even then probably still makes the hood sometimes to try and nail down the read

However, we’re both still independent players looking at the game and I don’t think either would buy the other one trying to sell Mith in a f3 where we flip Bella today and she’s town. I just don’t believe that happens, I know I’m not being sold on that, again Mith is basically as good as conftown to me after the ali interactions followed by successfully shooting scum

So for you, your perspective isn't "Dats is number 1 town"

It's "one of me dats and bella is scum, and if I convince the town to kill the other 2 I win"

Which is unfortunately also the wcum wincon between you three ahahah

My perspective is the same I’d have as scum here yes

My thoughts are — I still don’t think datisi plays the game the way he has if scum. Lld is conftown, Mith is de facto conftown

Therefore it’s probably Bella

If it isn’t Bella and dats has hard pocketed me then fun, we get to 1v1 tomorrow, amazing

I’m not going to kick and scream about not limming dats today, but equally I’m trusting my read as best I can, while I will look at the points you made on dats/gimli and dats/ali aorn I want to lim Bella bc I think that’s a better chance of ending the game here and I’m lazy

Also I hate doing 1v1s as either alignment so I’d rather try to lim the more likely final scum today

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unless Dats is town in which case I flip and its over they quickhammer

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also another reason to kill dats today is if we fo Bella and Bella is town and I get shot

I am not sure you two will turn on each other and then there might be "is Mith scum?" talks

I think you don’t understand the dynamic that dats and I have

We’ve played a lot of games together, we had a period where I fooled him a few times, a period where he fooled me a few times, a period where every game was intense paranoia and a bit unfun and didn’t play for a while, and I think have reached a point where we’re okay at balancing it

Although I did tell him that if he flips scum here then him not being hyper paranoid of me in future games is a scumtell for him

My point is — yes, I think either of us with neighbouriser almost always hoods the other N1 unless there was a very strong suspicion they had of that person, and even then probably still makes the hood sometimes to try and nail down the read

However, we’re both still independent players looking at the game and I don’t think either would buy the other one trying to sell Mith in a f3 where we flip Bella today and she’s town. I just don’t believe that happens, I know I’m not being sold on that, again Mith is basically as good as conftown to me after the ali interactions followed by successfully shooting scum

So for you, your perspective isn't "Dats is number 1 town"

It's "one of me dats and bella is scum, and if I convince the town to kill the other 2 I win"

Which is unfortunately also the wcum wincon between you three ahahah

My perspective is the same I’d have as scum here yes

My thoughts are — I still don’t think datisi plays the game the way he has if scum. Lld is conftown, Mith is de facto conftown

Therefore it’s probably Bella

If it isn’t Bella and dats has hard pocketed me then fun, we get to 1v1 tomorrow, amazing

I’m not going to kick and scream about not limming dats today, but equally I’m trusting my read as best I can, while I will look at the points you made on dats/gimli and dats/ali aorn I want to lim Bella bc I think that’s a better chance of ending the game here and I’m lazy

Also I hate doing 1v1s as either alignment so I’d rather try to lim the more likely final scum today

Yeah, that tracks.

Talk to me about the role claim swap. How did that come to happen?

[Menalque]

Oh and jingle has mech stuff for me to talk about re the neighbourhood but I’m confused by exactly what he’s saying

Something about how scum manipulation doesn’t make sense from the mech stuff we did — basically that my first post was trying to get dats to act as if he’d neighbourised me so that we could get scum to misaim a NK if I hooded one on a later night

There’s some more but I’m trying to understand better so I can paraphrase it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Take your time

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I got all the time in the world