Fair enough I can understand your approach towards the game with the given circumstances. (Pre-Game kills 1 Mafia, Two Lovers) However what I am trying to refer to is posts like this:X_~ wrote:Listen, if this was a normal day 1 I would approach this in a different manner. Remember, this game started at night, and 2 townies and 1 mafia died.OpposedForce wrote:Hey guys.
Vote:Josh Lynman
Btw I think that you're looking into to deeply in the RVS of the game, X. Most of these votes are lighthearted and shouldn't be taken too analytically to assume scenarios or accusations on the votes thus far in this stage of the game.
I don't see the roles being revealed, but I can assume that the mafia targeted semioldguy and his lover committed suicide. I am not sure if these two lovers killed the one mafia, but that is not important.
I am taking this day a bit seriously because in this case WE DO have something to work off. Not as much as a Day 2, but definitely more than a Day 1.
those are my thoughts of the current game state.
X_~ wrote:Also, notice the use of exclamation marks (!!) in each of his posts.
I can easily see him being mafia.
First he acted surprised that 3 people died. I mean sure, I bet everyone was sort of like 'WTF', but you do not need to post the obvious.
These kind of posts give the vibe of overreacting especially during the stage of a traditional RV process. For example in the above quote you state that he "tries to play it off as a joke" but this is only in the interest of the RVS or "lightheartedness" that is traditionally used in many of the games on this site. I understand that there has been three deaths thus far but not everyone can jump into the game in a serious tone.X_~ wrote:You seem to not know the real purpose of the RVS stage. If you don't provide valid arguments for your vote, then what is the point of RVS if people are just going to take it as a big joke.
I can see the mafia taking it as a joke, as this will only hurt the town.
Right now Jordan, it seems that you are trying to prove yourself to me. Is it because you know I am not in your affiliation?
And in your first post, I got the feeling that your were pumped! But now you say it was awkward... And why would you stop posting? Not posting is the worst thing a townie can do.
This post has heavy WIFOM in it. This does not support a valid argument for voting someone. "He's mafia trying to be town" can also be said as "Town trying to be town" It could go either way.Malcolm wrote:You are obviously scum. One of my favorite tells is the trying to seem overly townie tell. See, we all notice the three dead players, and we all notice the scum player that is dead. And we all love it. however, we don't say that we love it, because it's a given that townies love it, so we really don't think about doing it. You however, look at the list and think "oh man, my partner is dead", and then you think "hmmm, what should I post to fit in, oh I'll try and sound excited about jim bob dying", and then you do. This tell is especially effective when the guilty party does this with their first post of the day.~Jordan` wrote:Wow. 3 players dead b4 a single post.
This mafia is jacked up! I love it.
So hello people. Everyone's already confirmed, so how do we start this thing?
Vote: Jordan
Sure I can. Im not even saying I have information, I can just be VT and seeing what type of reactions I can get from acting like I have something incriminating. I could be a cop with a guilty or a tracker that says that he is scum. This way if he is scum, they are going to be trying to figure out if they should bus him or not. Lots of information to work with.Malcolm wrote:Well to be fair you can't really rub info in someones face, and then tell them not to fish for it.
Well if Jordan is a new player, I can picture myself being excited too. So I will step back away from Jordan andLlamaFluff wrote:lol what? Thats a wierd reaction to me asking for a wagon on you.Datadanne wrote:Llamafluff is obv a jester.
Its just a good spot to start a wagon. Dont role fish for information on why I think its a good wagon. If I do have information, it will show itself soon enough.X_~ wrote:You want me to start a bandwagon against Datadann, and I have no idea why?
Your reason, "this is a good vote"
But you never stated WHY this is a good vote. When you have more knowledge than the rest of us, I suggest you somehow let us know; otherwise, I don't think people are going listen, well not me at least.
What if I said I have reason to believe Jordan as a good wagon.LlamaFluff wrote:Sure I can. Im not even saying I have information, I can just be VT and seeing what type of reactions I can get from acting like I have something incriminating. I could be a cop with a guilty or a tracker that says that he is scum. This way if he is scum, they are going to be trying to figure out if they should bus him or not. Lots of information to work with.Malcolm wrote:Well to be fair you can't really rub info in someones face, and then tell them not to fish for it.
So lets wagon up Data and see what happens.
I still find it funny that people are calling Jason scum for being surprised with three deaths, one being lover suicide. I was actually expecting three or four kills since scum, vig, SK are cornerstones of large setups. Also X is probably town.
Then I put it in my notes.Malcolm wrote:What if I said I have reason to believe Jordan as a good wagon.LlamaFluff wrote:Sure I can. Im not even saying I have information, I can just be VT and seeing what type of reactions I can get from acting like I have something incriminating. I could be a cop with a guilty or a tracker that says that he is scum. This way if he is scum, they are going to be trying to figure out if they should bus him or not. Lots of information to work with.Malcolm wrote:Well to be fair you can't really rub info in someones face, and then tell them not to fish for it.
So lets wagon up Data and see what happens.
I still find it funny that people are calling Jason scum for being surprised with three deaths, one being lover suicide. I was actually expecting three or four kills since scum, vig, SK are cornerstones of large setups. Also X is probably town.
Strong early game read. He isnt backing down from a stance I challenged and even is presenting reasoning as to why he isnt backing down. I do not agree with his current stance, but I do think that he is town.Muffin wrote:Why is X probably town?LlamaFluff wrote:Also X is probably town.
Trust me when I say I am well aware of the benefits to the early game wagon, however I am much more confidant in my abilities than I am trustworthy in your info. You'll understand of course.LlamaFluff wrote:Then I put it in my notes.Malcolm wrote:What if I said I have reason to believe Jordan as a good wagon.LlamaFluff wrote:Sure I can. Im not even saying I have information, I can just be VT and seeing what type of reactions I can get from acting like I have something incriminating. I could be a cop with a guilty or a tracker that says that he is scum. This way if he is scum, they are going to be trying to figure out if they should bus him or not. Lots of information to work with.Malcolm wrote:Well to be fair you can't really rub info in someones face, and then tell them not to fish for it.
So lets wagon up Data and see what happens.
I still find it funny that people are calling Jason scum for being surprised with three deaths, one being lover suicide. I was actually expecting three or four kills since scum, vig, SK are cornerstones of large setups. Also X is probably town.
Its your call if you want to follow me or not, I just think this is a great spot for a beginning of the game wagon. Too few people understand the inherint benifits of the early game wagon now adays.
Strong early game read. He isnt backing down from a stance I challenged and even is presenting reasoning as to why he isnt backing down. I do not agree with his current stance, but I do think that he is town.Muffin wrote:Why is X probably town?LlamaFluff wrote:Also X is probably town.
I've had my fair share of games and it is WIFOMMalcolm wrote:That's really not WIFOM. That is a scum tell. I'm going to assume you have not played too much. Am I assuming correct?
Furthermore, if it was WIFOM, please explain to me how that WIFOM would be indicitive of a scum mindset. tia
You seem to be convinced that he is absolutely scum then proceed to give a faux scenario that is laced with WIFOM. The last bolded partMalcolm wrote:~Jordan` wrote:Wow. 3 players dead b4 a single post.
This mafia is jacked up! I love it.
So hello people. Everyone's already confirmed, so how do we start this thing?You are obviously scum. One of my favorite tells is the trying to seem overly townie tell.See, we all notice the three dead players, and we all notice the scum player that is dead. And we all love it. however, we don't say that we love it, because it's a given that townies love it, so we really don't think about doing it.You however, look at the list and think "oh man, my partner is dead", and then you think "hmmm, what should I post to fit in, oh I'll try and sound excited about jim bob dying", and then you do. This tell is especially effective when the guilty party does this with their first post of the day.
Vote: Jordan
If you have a good reason that Jordan is a good wagon then you haven't provided good cause for it in your posts.Malcolm wrote:LlamaFluff wrote:Sure I can. Im not even saying I have information, I can just be VT and seeing what type of reactions I can get from acting like I have something incriminating. I could be a cop with a guilty or a tracker that says that he is scum. This way if he is scum, they are going to be trying to figure out if they should bus him or not. Lots of information to work with.Malcolm wrote:Well to be fair you can't really rub info in someones face, and then tell them not to fish for it.
So lets wagon up Data and see what happens.
I still find it funny that people are calling Jason scum for being surprised with three deaths, one being lover suicide. I was actually expecting three or four kills since scum, vig, SK are cornerstones of large setups. Also X is probably town.What if I said I have reason to believe Jordan as a good wagon.
SocioPath wrote:My meta of Jordan is fairly strong when it comes to the RVS and him. I don't think he is a good wagon.
I think you are misunderstanding me here.Malcolm wrote:Having an alternate possibility does not make something WIFOM.
WIFOM example: Malcolm wouldn't do that as scum, cause he always does it as town. Unless he wants us to think that!
Not WIFOM example: Malcolm is fishing. Scum usually fish. I think he is scum. Wait, maybe he just doesn't realize he's fishing.
If you do not see the difference I can try and explain it more thoroughly.
You are right that it is based on an assumption. However, it is frequently a good scum tell and I do not feel as if Jordan's subsequent posts show a townie reaction. FTR most every play in mafia is somewhat based on assumption. Right now you are assuming that I as scum, would try and make this attack. Oh noez, you are now scum for making an assumption.
What I meant is that you're making assumption is basically meaning "you're making a far fetched assumption" I understand that mafia is based on assumption and deduction I'm not an idiot but basically the above post is basically making an outrageous claim on Jordan's thought process. I am not saying that "Jordan is obviously Town" but for someone to be accused of such baseless accusation is ridiculous. How is it a scumtell if you are going to say " He's scum trying to look town" which basically sums up as WIFOM. If you don't find it WIFOM then I suggest looking it up in the wiki and checking over your quoted post.Malcolm wrote:You are obviously scum. One of my favorite tells is the trying to seem overly townie tell. See, we all notice the three dead players, and we all notice the scum player that is dead. And we all love it. however, we don't say that we love it, because it's a given that townies love it, so we really don't think about doing it. You however, look at the list and think "oh man, my partner is dead", and then you think "hmmm, what should I post to fit in, oh I'll try and sound excited about jim bob dying", and then you do. This tell is especially effective when the guilty party does this with their first post of the day.~Jordan` wrote:Wow. 3 players dead b4 a single post.
This mafia is jacked up! I love it.
So hello people. Everyone's already confirmed, so how do we start this thing?
Vote: Jordan
It's surprising how you try to counter my argument with another WIFOM post which is ironic. "Trying to brush it off as WIFOM is simply inaccurate - it's not a typical townie reaction, it's a typical scum trying to look townie reaction" Again posts like "Scum trying to look townie" is invalid and could be put as "Townie trying to look townie" It could go either way. I am not going to try to dissuade you from your suspicions but simply try to show the flaw in argument against such a case.Fishythefish wrote:Hooray! No RVS for me.
I agree with the night reaction tell on Jordan - and I feel his post is a very good example of this tell, as it feels very forced to me. I think the pretty weak defenses from OpposedForce and particularly Sociopath serve to reinforce my suspicions. Trying to brush it off as WIFOM is simply inaccurate - it's not a typical townie reaction, it's a typical scum trying to look townie reaction.
Datadanne's reaction to Llama is way over the top. Bringing jesters into things this early? Ugh. A very overaggressive way of criticising the wagon on him.
I think Jordan is likely scum.
Vote: Jordan
