Newbie 1151 ÔÇô Game Over

[Epsilon_Andrew]

ok, I don't know whats going on, but this is the second comment I tried to put that hasn't gone through. I understand that Lord may not have seen the earlier vote, but I still wish to hear his say on it.

I typed the wrong name here. Where I said Lord should be racerman, terribly sorry for that.

[Lord]

I have thought of voting you as an RVS, but I thought it would be better to use it on someone new to get a read on them.

This post makes me feel particularly uneasy. Basically, admitting to have taken the easy path? Sir, you won some more time from my vote on you.

Ok, I put a comment and for some reason it didn't go through. Anyway, I just want to see why during RVS Lord chose to vote for someone who already had a vote against them. Right after my comment, Xeras voted for Ranmaru. Did you just do this to make a point? I've just been trying to get the discussion going by asking questions like you guys have said.

I am one of those people who sees value in pressure wagons. Sue me.

and since I haven't placed an RVS vote either this is where my vote will stay for the moment.

Ok, townpoints for this. Not scum mentality. We'll see how you'll perform later.

@Xeras: Nice poem.

Ranmaru is questioning everyone in a style that I find quite...forced at this point. Have to ask.

@Ranmaru: Is that how you usually play?

ok, I don't know whats going on, but this is the second comment I tried to put that hasn't gone through. I understand that Lord may not have seen the earlier vote, but I still wish to hear his say on it.

Just to lift the confusion off of this. Yes, I have seen the previous votes.

[Lord]

ok, I don't know whats going on, but this is the second comment I tried to put that hasn't gone through. I understand that Lord may not have seen the earlier vote, but I still wish to hear his say on it.

I typed the wrong name here. Where I said Lord should be racerman, terribly sorry for that.

Sorry, missed this post. Well you get the point anyway.

[Xeras]

UNVOTE: Ranmaru

This vote is getting me no where, and I don't want someone to hammer when I am asleep.

[Lord]

UNVOTE: Ranmaru

This vote is getting me no where, and I don't want someone to hammer when I am asleep.

It is not even L-1, and I'm not seeing you putting that vote elsewhere.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xeras

Let's get this party starting.

[Epsilon_Andrew]

I wouldn't want to see someone get lynched on the first day. Also, my first comment was right, it was Lord to voted first, and Lord answered my questions. I think I got it right now. As to racerman, you were first to vote for Ranmaru, so I'm pretty sure that was just an RVS vote.

[Xeras]

Nah, but it was L-2, and I am quite sure that there is at least one mafia member that has no posted yet, because no one seems to be particularly scummy at this point. If I had to pick someone that has posted at this point to be a possible member of the mafia, I think my best guess at this time would be Krazy.

[Lord]

May I know why?

[Xeras]

Not yet, I need to watch a bit more first. ^^

[Lord]

Well then you probably won't hold it against me that I call bs on that until the 'yet' comes.

[Xeras]

Lord, you have gotten my attention.

Let's play a little game. A game within a game.

You are driving in a car. The person you are with tells you to turn right. What do you do?

[Uite]

• Votecount 1.2
  
  
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  Xeras
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  Ranmaru
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  Krazy
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  Lord
  
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  1
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  Ranmaru
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  racerman13
  
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  Lord
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  Epsilon_Andrew
  
  
  
  Not voting:
  
  
  Jeffiej
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  JonWJ007
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  Off the Mark
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  Xeras
  
  
  
• With
  9
  alive, it takes
  5
  to lynch
  
• Deadline for Day 1 is Friday, 9^th of September 2011, at 11:55 CEST (UTC+2)

[Lord]

I ignore the blatant attempt at changing the subject and lynch scum. Not the answer you hoped for?

[Xeras]

Trying a bit hard to look like town, aren't you?

[Lord]

Wondering how you arrived to that conclusion. Either way, rtop dodging my question. Why is Krazy scummy?

[Ranmaru]

UNVOTE: Ranmaru

This vote is getting me no where, and I don't want someone to hammer

when I am asleep

.

It is not even L-1, and I'm not seeing you putting that vote elsewhere.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xeras

Let's get this party starting.

First off, he stated he wouldn't want anyone to be hammered while asleep, so obviously it wouldn't go anywhere regardless. Afterwards, he explained to you his reasoning.

There have been no other posters besides Krazy me Epsilon Xeras and you. It's obvious his vote wouldn't go anywhere else since he doesn't have enough leads yet.

Now after reading this, why is your vote still on him?

Unvote Vote: Lord

L-2

I feel you don't really think Xeras is scum yet you use those reasons to justify 'getting the party started', and after he explains you don't really explain why you are still voting him.

This post makes me feel particularly uneasy. Basically, admitting to have taken the easy path? Sir, you won some more time from my vote on you.

I was not taking the easy path. Essentially taking the easy path for me would have been voting Krazy. Also keep in mind I voted an SE. Also keep in mind that you essentially voting someone with a vote already on them is also taking the easy path.

and since I haven't placed an RVS vote either this is where my vote will stay for the moment.

Ok, townpoints for this.

Not scum mentality

. We'll see how you'll perform later.

Please expand on the underlined wrt to Krazy.

@Ranmaru: Is that how you usually play?

Yes. Check my wiki.

[Lord]

First off, he stated he wouldn't want anyone to be hammered while asleep, so obviously it wouldn't go anywhere regardless. Afterwards, he explained to you his reasoning.

Anyone aside from Krazy was not even near lynching, and Krazy himself wasn't at L-1. There was literally NO danger of that happening. Therefore, overcautious play.

There have been no other posters besides Krazy me Epsilon Xeras and you. It's obvious his vote wouldn't go anywhere else since he doesn't have enough leads yet.

He DID state his suspicion of Krazy, with no follow. Also, as stated above, there was no real grounds for worrying of a quicklynch.

Now after reading this, why is your vote still on him?

Because I think he's scum, and I told you why. Why are you defending him?

I feel you don't really think Xeras is scum

Are you seriously implying that you have more knowledge of my thought process than myself?

and after he explains you don't really explain why you are still voting him.

Where does he do that?

I was not taking the easy path. Essentially taking the easy path for me would have been voting Krazy. Also keep in mind I voted an SE. Also keep in mind that you essentially voting someone with a vote already on them is also taking the easy path.

The votes already on Xalxe are RVS votes. I'm not sheeping anybody. They will either disagree with me and search for another lead (like you did), or agree with me. It is irrelevnt either way. Also situational. While you made a general statement with that post about your play, which I don't agree with and find scummy.

Please expand on the underlined wrt to Krazy.

While scum may feel at loss pushing for a mislynch, and fencesit until there are enough posts to craft up a case/if there isn't such a thing just let town destroy itself, that particular post from Krazy strikes me as genuine and not fencesitting.

As for the wiki check, I will do it, and say if I find anything later today (I do appreciate meta as a valid means to read someone).

[Lord]

Ok, read your first 3 games here. Your style is consistent indeed, and similar to this game. Nothing to add on that.

[Ranmaru]

@

Lord

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Hmmm, you make a good point. Why haven’t you asked him about him not voting Krazy? I disagree, no one knows what can happen.

Why do you think he did that then? Again, anything can happen. Just ask him “Why haven’t you looked else where”

I am not defending him. I am attacking you. Your reasoning for your vote on him was for not voting elsewhere. So you should have been asking him why he isn’t exactly voting Krazy yet. The only iffy thing I see from him is that he hasn’t really interacted with Krazy, but it is valid for him to expect more content from Krazy before being able to get a read on him. That is also what you should be looking out for. Once Krazy posts, be on the look out for what Xeras does with his suspicion.

No, I am not. My meaning is that it doesn’t seem like you are confident in your read, and in that post it seems like you just vote him to get a wagon started up on him with flimsy reasoning. If you were really interested, you would have asked him about his non-voting and him not looking elsewhere. Instead, you just asked him “Why Krazy?” and that doesn’t seem genuine because that wasn't your reason for voting him.

He does that in #56. Essentially, he has explained what you have accused him of, and are still voting him. The “Not following up on Krazy” reason was not an original reason for voting him, and is tacked on AFTER you voted him.

Yes, my vote on Xeras was an RVS. We don’t know that you aren't sheeping, now do we? You said that you were just wagoning to pressure, which just seems like an excuse. Sure you can disagree with it. But how do you find it scummy?

I don’t see how that was a town tell. It’s a null tell because scum can also do that to look town. Plus, that post didn’t even have a STANCE in it, so of course it isn’t fence sitting because he was talking about RVS.

[racerman13]

Hey guys. Lord, I didn't understand your question, could you elaborate?

[Lord]

@Racerman

Well the "why do you think Krazy is scum" is also tied closely to the "why not vote for Krazy?". I AM confident in my read of Xalxe, to be perfectly honest. Also, I said I find value in pressure wagons, NOT that I am pressure wagoning Xalxe. (my vote on you, for instance, was pressure, now that you answered my question about your play style and I have indeed verified it, pressure's off)

It may not have been the initial reason for voting him, true, but he gave me a reason to keep my vote there. My style of play (well, no meta to base this on, take my word for it XD) involves a lot of vote hopping, I think that arguments are stronger if followed by a vote...we get unlimited unvotes after all.

Post #56 while indeed answering the matter does not necessarily change my mind. And I do not deny the not voting Krazy thing came later, because I DIDN'T KNOW he thought Krazy was scummy before, obv.

I am obviously not sheeping. RVS votes are not made on thought, and it stands to reason that said votes will make up their own minds and throw them around differently. It is only sheeping if someone had a honest scumread of Xalxe before me - and that did not happen.

Scum can do that to look town, but I don't think it's the case here. Call bs on this, it's irrelevant either way, as Krazy will get on posting more eventually, and then we shall see who's right.
BUT (there's a but) when Xalxe eventually decides to stop avoiding the issue and say why he had that stance on Krazy, he better use pages 1-3, cause he's not a Diviner Specialist Wizard.

[racerman13]

...I never said I think Krazy is scum. Tbh I have a null read on him atm. I'm null/scum on Xalxe atm, but the suspicion is not enough to put a vote on it.

[racerman13]

Xeras, HOW did you have a gut feeling that I was scum when I'd made ONE POST that was an RVS VOTE? That launches my suspicion of you up a bunch of notches. I think you were trying to find an easy mafia target.

Vote: Xeras

[Lord]

Ah, excuse me. It should be "Ranmaru" instead of racerman.

[Lord]

And Xeras instead of Xalxe. YOUR NAMES ARE SO SIMILAR.