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[marcistar]

Are those 4 the only categories there are gonna be?

i assume, but i didnt ask

[Merlyn]

But we can't bank money. So it's another 60k tomorrow. I think that fact that printing press is an option implies that in future days there will be assignments that cost more than 60k.

If on, say, day 3, an amazing assignment is available for 80k we will have to vote in printing press more than once and we won't be able to get amazing assignment till day 6 at the earliest. unless we keep up with printing press from the start we're really choosing to put any future high priced assignments out of our reach

[Merlyn]

I agree, it seems to only delay getting access to better actions by a day

Let’s just gamble lol

You're assuming that all better assignments cost 70k. I bet they cost more than that

[RCEnigma]

If those are the only groups of actions we get then yeah I see your point. It’s the same as spending to get the scum number. It’s derivable.

We can’t do 2 developments but I like jury and maybe the extra invest actions.

[RCEnigma]

But we can't bank money. So it's another 60k tomorrow. I think that fact that printing press is an option implies that in future days there will be assignments that cost more than 60k.

If on, say, day 3, an amazing assignment is available for 80k we will have to vote in printing press more than once and we won't be able to get amazing assignment till day 6 at the earliest. unless we keep up with printing press from the start we're really choosing to put any future high priced assignments out of our reach

I think you mean trading post.

We can’t bank but we can get up to 90k with trading post and a sacrifice.

[RCEnigma]

Marci prob!town and I like Merlyn for town.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yeah printing press doesn’t give us more $$$

I don’t like jury >_>

[RCEnigma]

Curated PT is more +Town than the extra vote.

[marcistar]

i dont quite know what i think about merlyn yet.

[Roden]

I agree, it seems to only delay getting access to better actions by a day

Let’s just gamble lol

If you really want to gamble, we should pick Raffle so we have a 50% chance of confirming random people as town every day.

[JasonWazza]

So to be clear, the reason to get printing press, is we can actually determine what to do in a long term way via this, yes we lose 10k tomorrow, i think that is worth it overall.

Thing is we don't know the costs of later items, we don't know the cost of trading outpost 2.0, so investing in these might be a bust, and actually just assist Scum, as i think a few rules haven't really been noted by a few people.

If no project is being undertaken at Night, the Insurgence is free to do its biddings and gain $60,000. If only one project is being undertaken, there will still be little enough traffic that the Insurgence can manage to gain $20,000.
Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them.

These 2 rules actually give us a lot of information on what the Insurgents can likely do.

First note, Insurgence gaining money is a key thing to note, odds are they get a %age of everything we spend, spending more might not be worth funding them, but also there is a risk of unspent money being just as bad.
Second note, the fact they can bid at night is interesting, as this is clearly giving them enough for an assassination, therefore they might not have a standard kill, given they have the ability to fund their own.

So the reason to get Printing press follows on that we want to know if there is anything worth potentially giving the scum more money and kills for, rather then to just potentially spend recklessly, because for all we know, none of the deep investigative options are worth it (especially since the one we have access to is 50k for a terrible ability.)

[JasonWazza]

but also there is a risk of unspent money being just as bad.

I'll also add that this above thought is extremely tinfoily, and I don't think this is the case, I'm just pointing it out.

[Merlyn]

But we can't bank money. So it's another 60k tomorrow. I think that fact that printing press is an option implies that in future days there will be assignments that cost more than 60k.

If on, say, day 3, an amazing assignment is available for 80k we will have to vote in printing press more than once and we won't be able to get amazing assignment till day 6 at the earliest. unless we keep up with printing press from the start we're really choosing to put any future high priced assignments out of our reach

I think you mean trading post.

We can’t bank but we can get up to 90k with trading post and a sacrifice.

yeah my bad, I was mixing the two up

[marcistar]

What do you suggest then? I'm not voting for printing press. I think we need to take two projects though and this is what I thought would be best.

Scum probably also needs to spend $ to unlock more actions like we do then right?

(ill be out now, gotta work!)

[Merlyn]

So to be clear, the reason to get printing press, is we can actually determine what to do in a long term way via this, yes we lose 10k tomorrow, i think that is worth it overall.

Thing is we don't know the costs of later items, we don't know the cost of trading outpost 2.0, so investing in these might be a bust, and actually just assist Scum, as i think a few rules haven't really been noted by a few people.

If no project is being undertaken at Night, the Insurgence is free to do its biddings and gain $60,000. If only one project is being undertaken, there will still be little enough traffic that the Insurgence can manage to gain $20,000.
Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them.

These 2 rules actually give us a lot of information on what the Insurgents can likely do.

First note, Insurgence gaining money is a key thing to note, odds are they get a %age of everything we spend, spending more might not be worth funding them, but also there is a risk of unspent money being just as bad.
Second note, the fact they can bid at night is interesting, as this is clearly giving them enough for an assassination, therefore they might not have a standard kill, given they have the ability to fund their own.

So the reason to get Printing press follows on that we want to know if there is anything worth potentially giving the scum more money and kills for, rather then to just potentially spend recklessly, because for all we know, none of the deep investigative options are worth it (especially since the one we have access to is 50k for a terrible ability.)

I think it's worth noting that we don't know how much info printing press actually gives us. Assignment said it 'hints'.

[JasonWazza]

Scum probably also needs to spend $ to unlock more actions like we do then right?

No i think they have the same action list, but might not have access to sacrifice.

But this list actually give a scum team a decent chunk of power with things like this.

Appointed Jury ($20,000)-- 3 targets Utopians get a PT during the next Day to decide for an extra shared vote to cast for execution.
Injunction ($30,000) -- the vote for execution of target Utopian will be worth only one-half tomorrow. This project can only be bought if there are at least 5 players.

For relatively cheap, the scum team can get the ability to hammer privately, or disable a strong players voting power, while also just being able to kill, otherwise why does this exist for town

Election Security ($10,000) -- tomorrow, there will be no voting tricks (all vote weights will be one, secret extra votes won't count, etc.)

P-Edit: I think a hint is helpful to tell us if we care, if we aren't getting something like a cop, do you really want to fund a kill?

[Merlyn]

No project can be selected more than twice, or more than once in two consecutive Days. Development projects can't be selected more than once period, and no more than one Development project can be selected each Day.

@mod, does this mean more than twice in the whole game, or that we can select the same project twice in a day?

Whatch out, money you spend may end up financing Them.

I'm gonna put out an alternative to the idea of percentages- some of these projects are direct funnels to the scum.

[biancospino]

No project can be selected more than twice, or more than once in two consecutive Days. Development projects can't be selected more than once period, and no more than one Development project can be selected each Day.

@mod, does this mean more than twice in the whole game, or that we can select the same project twice in a day?

During the whole game.
Do also note that it's not possible for a single project to be undertaken more than once in a span of two Nights (so in particular not twice in the same Night)

[JasonWazza]

Raffle ($10,000) -- 50% chance that a random Citizen gets a fruit.

@Mod: Is the raffle decided publicly?

[biancospino]

Raffle ($10,000) -- 50% chance that a random Citizen gets a fruit.

@Mod: Is the raffle decided publicly?

The lucky receipient of the fruit, if one exists, will be selected at random, and will not be announced publicly; the fruit is delivered privately

[JasonWazza]

Sounds like a $10,000 scam to me.

[camelCasedSnivy]

I like trading outpost for the long run and I dont really see the point in any of the voting manipulation ones, unless scum has a secret double voter or something


HURT: Trading Outpost

[Deal With The Devil]

VOTE: RCEnigma

You didn’t sneak any of those cats into the New World, right?

- Alianna

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

I also support printing press, it's pretty clear later stuff is gonna cost more than the current budget and if we don't keep up increasing it it may be days before we can pick something really good.

then why not just up our income in anticipation of higher costs

VOTE: merlyn
HURT: trading outpost
HURT: Intelligentia