Speed Mafia (Game Over, who won?)

[Magister Ludi]

Tajo needs rope.

"when did I ever vote cobble?"

Post 9 of yours you quoted two posts of cobble, commented then voted yourself instead of cobble.

"in other news, I think I can live with katsuki = non optymal lynch today, despite I think the claim is fake and her posts are terrible.

im fine with the following people dying: cobblerfane, katsuki"

Wiffle waffle alert.

"townz
7) kanyeknowsbest - who the hell admits he cant be read as town?"

This whole list is a joke but this read is particularly bad.

"the joke is a nervous scumtell, im damn sure about this.
Unvote vote: cobblerfane."

So in the same post you say you never vote cobble... you vote cobble.

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Is no one seeing kanye scum still?

[Amrun]

As much as I agree on tajo, nothing to say on the other train wrecks going on?

[Magister Ludi]

Massive general reads in multiple players aren't as effective as pointed critisicm of those that need lynching.

Where you implying you wanted comment about your lynch?

[Amrun]

Well, yes, but also on some other things going on, like cobblerfone, what should be done with katsuki, etc.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Katsuki (4) -- AlmasterGM, Benmage, Lowell, Cobblerfone
Juls (1) -- C-Worl
Benmage (1) -- Haylen
kanyeknowsbest (1) -- Magister Ludi
xRECKONERx (1) -- Sathoris
Cobblerfone (4) -- Juls, Katsuki, The Mask, populartajo
populartajo (1) -- Amrun
Amrun (5) -- xRECKONERx, SpyreX, CrimpingNoofball, kanyeknowsbest, evilpacman18

Not voting: Nobody
18 alive, 10 to lynch.

[Patrick]

Mod: Can hiders be roleblocked?

Yes.

[Sathoris]

Right yes, I'm all over the place with my thoughts. Sorry.

Thoughts on first 9 pages. Thoughts on the other pages to come tomorrow.

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I thought the early votes on Kat were unfounded. The game was still in RVS as demonstrated by other posts later and the remark didn't seem out of place.

Juls you bitch don't you take reck from me.

you DELIBERATELY neglected to answer a direct question
Juls called you on it
eat rope

Lot of interaction between Reck and Juls who gang up on Kat unfairly in my view, but then.

Unvote, Vote: Katsuki

for avoiding answering the question directly.

OH MY GOD JULS
you're townier than town

VOTE: KATSUKI

If only I had two votes. That buddying.

Juls distances herself from Reck all of a sudden. Trying not to appear as if they're together

Kats scum & Kats town look the same so there's no way to meta this
The avoidance is enough for me, not to mention her failure to address the topic after-the-fact

you say Kats town and Kats scum would both react the same way. Then why is a simple random post in page 2 enough to call her obvscum? And Kats did adress the topic after hand and said he was town.

Wow, do you hate me because I caught you or because you are not town?

Are you asking if I am gay? Are you hitting on me?

Juls was not even adressed by Kats and she still felt the need to defend herself like that. Even though the question in itself was harmless

Although Katsuki then makes some posts in which he contradics himself and doesn't appear to handle himself too well early in the game. No way of getting himself out of the spotlight and only making it worse.

4) Katsuki: can you give me one reason not to lynch you?
~c

Because I'm town and you love cupcakes.

Kats gently refers to his cupcake answer earlier in the game with a slight breeze as if it's just as harmless as the first one. No need to recreate a post like that if you're just trying to make it appear more nonchalant.

@evilpacman - I am not understanding this "case" you have on me and DGB/Camn. In your "scenario" I assume I am the trusted town player since I have been called town a few times. So therefore you are claiming that I have said or implied that DGB/camn are town. The only thing I have said about DGB/camn is asking if they are a hydra. DGB called me town. But so did Spyrex and Reck. Why are you tunneling on DGB/camn? I don't think your "case" is scummy quite yet but it makes zero sense. In fact, I counter that DGB very well may be scum because the only game I have played with DGB in the past, she did something similar. She was scum, she called populartajo and a few others "obvtown" very early on (he was) and targeted me relentlessly because I was half-assing the game and was thus an easy target. Now, this is all circumstantial because I have not played with DGB town and would need to research it a bit more. Game in reference: http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?t=10894

@Haylen - my timezone is central, my schedule is posted somewhere (read my iso).

Hints at repeatedly being called town. Never like that.

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The early play from Reck and especially juls seem intent on catching anyone turning the slighest post into something big. Steering the discussion their way. However Kats didn't handle it properly and made things worse for himself. I would vote for Kats now, but I don't know what happened later so I'll cast my new vote tomorrow.

[Sathoris]

Thoughts up to page 14. Will be caught up to the latest by late afternoon.

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Calling for Alliances so early in the game isn't wise. Too much chance on allowing scum inside it without you realising.

Skimmed through thread.

Amrun is town. Albeit misguided, but nonetheless town.
Cobble is scum.

Spyspy votes are lols.

Sathosis = ?

Roleclaim: Hider

The exact role any scum under pressure would claim. Really starting to feel like you've got your back against the wall and are looking for any way out

Can't really say I'm necessary less interested in seeing Kats die... I guess the only bold thing would be the risk to an easy CC....does that mean we really can't string him up, humph.

Scum would probably fake a stronger PR, if they wanted to out that PR.... Strong chances for a CC....GD'it.

Unvote

Not really, any role can appear twice or more and is not even guarenteed to be in it. Fat chance to be counterclaimed whatever role you claim. Unless the person counterclaiming didn't think.

stop derailing the wagon
we can bank the time if we lynch early

What's the point in rushing through day one only to have more time in day two. Perhaps you'll have "caught scum" in the first page there aswell and you'll say the same thing. Lynching twice without looking at others. Never like being rushed.

You're certain Katsuki's scum and you say kat's bussing buddies. Her vote's on you. <_< Even though "no scum would do that", you're obviously not paying much attention to the thread.

Plus you are obsessed with banking the deadline, but 4 days is plenty. I think you want to end the day early because you're scum.

Like this very much

I'm gonna outguess the mod here and say that the reason Rolecop is a potential role in the OP instead of normal cop is because there's a rolecop in the game. Rolecop is a strong cop. Hider is a weak cop. Let's lynch Katsuki.

Agree, I don't think hider is a role we need to be scared

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Not liking the votes on Cobbler. I think he's been acting pro-town and the people that started voting for him are on my scumlist. Which as follows is like this.

Town

˅
CrimpingNoofball
Benmage
Ludi
Cobblefone
The Mask
Spyrex
Popular
evilpacman
Haylen
WingDamage9001
Reck
Kanye
Juls
Amrun
AGM
Kats
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Scum

[CrimpingNoofball]

Yeah yeah kanye is scum.

BUT SO IS HAYLEN DAMMIT

~DGB

[Juls]

I will admit that saying constantly that she is re-reading doesn't look great on Amrun but her reactions are what make me think she is town.
Reactions:
1) not arguing with cases on her (the great minutes debate)
2) conceding to her lynch but wanting to get reads in
3) admittance to skimming (I have done it before as town and got in trouble for it as well.)

One thing that is kinda bothering me though (even though I made the suggestion) is that she keeps saying that Kats should hide behind her. My head immediately goes to scum-Amrun wants Kats to hide behind her so that she will die.

Why is everyone ok with the fact that cobbler has a lot of heat on him, he doesn't defend himself at all despite posting in thread?

This is where I am at:
Kats - still doesn't come across as townish to me. Her list was strange and didn't seem to have any thought to it at all. Possibly not even a real list. She sheeps a lot and jokes a lot (not pro-town).
Cobbler - postures around the Kats lynch and has phrasing sometimes that looks like scum trying to be "too townie". Doesn't defend against cases against him. He basically confirms Kats for me as town if he is scum. No way they are together as scum.
Amrun - I see lazy town with the slight possibility of being scum. I don't want to be too stubborn about this since I have been wrong before, but I don't want this lynch. However, I won't let the day end without one, so she would be a last minute vote.

^Obviously there are other scummy people floating around but they have to wait until tomorrow. We have (expired on 2011-05-15 20:30:00) so we need to focus on these 3.

[CrimpingNoofball]

Hmm.
OK, Juls. Lets do it.

UNVOTE
VOTE: COBBLEFONE

Get back in here and answer for your terrible play.

scummylurker>scummynonlurker on day1... but trust me, put Amrun at L-1 and We will hammer.

-c

[populartajo]

ATTENTION: BS POST ALERT

His only suspicion that he points to anything suspicious in the player's posts is Cobblerfone, and yet he votes Katsuki.

I pointed that katsuki was suspicious because: "terrible posts, jokes with being scum, fails at defending, fails at reads, feels caught".
And, if you say you can understand momentum, then you would realize that voting someone that is at L-2 is WAY more valuable than voting someone at L-9, in a SPEED game.
fail 1

Also, he urges Katsuki for a claim but I don't think he was ever interested in hearing it.

then you are wrong
anybody can claim anything with no risk of being cced.
but there are claims that feel fake as hell (hint: katsu)
and there are claims that scream protowness (way of claiming), are easily proven (rolecop, for example)
fail 2

The rest I left because he says something about drawing an Amrun Cobbler connection but doesn't even attempt to explain why.

it was explained before: "I've played as scumbuddies with Amrun in a previous game and he's acting way different so I trust him", was not true or fake.
fail 3

Then he votes Cobbler for the same reason he called Cobbler out before. If that was such a solid scumtell, why didn't you push him since the start instead of going after Katsuki, which was the popular lynch at the time?

MOMENTUM, I THOUGH YOU COULD UNDERSTAND IT?
fail 1 x 2

It seems like he's scum that can't keep his supposed reads straight in his mind.

ill give you i forgot to put cworl in my to die list, but other than that im consistent with the people I am FINE with dying. Haylen and Sathoris are lurky people that bother me more than normal, so thats why they are in that list.

Scum that cant keep his supposed reads stragith in his mind is a TOTAL REACH.

As was THIS WHOLE POST.

Please die.

Unvote Vote: Amrum

[Juls]

*facepalm* You and CNB just switched your votes and put us back to square 1.

[populartajo]

oh yay im on streak

"when did I ever vote cobble?"
Post 9 of yours you quoted two posts of cobble, commented then voted yourself instead of cobble.

you say I voted cobbler. Prove I voted cobbler before you made that post.

"in other news, I think I can live with katsuki = non optymal lynch today, despite I think the claim is fake and her posts are terrible.
im fine with the following people dying: cobblerfane, katsuki"
Wiffle waffle alert.

you missed the part where I think the claim is fake?

"townz
7) kanyeknowsbest - who the hell admits he cant be read as town?"
This whole list is a joke but this read is particularly bad.

explain why.

"the joke is a nervous scumtell, im damn sure about this.
Unvote vote: cobblerfane."
So in the same post you say you never vote cobble... you vote cobble.

what is this i dont even.
i never voted cobble before that post.
why is it scummy when I vote for someone that Ive never voted before?

seriously, nobody has explained me why ludi:town, anyone?

[populartajo]

*facepalm* You and CNB just switched your votes and put us back to square 1.

I think we have agreed that katsuki isnt going to be lynched today, so

Katsuki (4) -- AlmasterGM, Benmage, Lowell, Cobblerfone

this people need to switch pronto

Juls (1) -- C-Worl
Benmage (1) -- Haylen
kanyeknowsbest (1) -- Magister Ludi
xRECKONERx (1) -- Sathoris

also this people should pick a lynchable choice NOW.

[Juls]

I want you back on cobbler.

[populartajo]

I want you back on cobbler.

what do you think of amrum?

[Juls]

I have said what I think of Amrun ad nauseum. Look up a few posts.

[populartajo]

agree with her post against me?

[Juls]

No I don't. But I don't agree with Spyrex and Reck about Amrun either and I still see them as town. What I see is that she doesn't think Cobbler is scum and Kats isn't getting lynched today. She said she wanted to get her reads in and you are her read.

[Cobblerfone]

Why is everyone ok with the fact that cobbler has a lot of heat on him, he doesn't defend himself at all despite posting in thread?

What cases against me have I not defended against?

With hiders being able to be roleblocked, Katuski's claim is useless if she is town. Noofball saying that Katsuki is town for being inconsistent is WIFOM. Inconsistency isn't pro-town.

I'm sticking to my Katsuki vote.

[C-Worl]

Lurker alert:
Lowell
Sathoris

C-Worl

kanye
Magistar
Mask

19 posts from me starting at 1 pm yesterday and I had posted two town reads that I have. Unfortunately one of them just became a scum read.

Unvote; Vote: Amrun

[Juls]

@Cobbler - This is the first time you have responded directly to me and I am the primary one making a case on you.

@C-Worl - Your thoughts on Cobbler and Katsuki please.

[C-Worl]

@Cobbler - This is the first time you have responded directly to me and I am the primary one making a case on you.

@C-Worl - Your thoughts on Cobbler and Katsuki please.

Kat is way town bro. You guys say she wasn't answering a direct question. Cupcakes are never scum is her way of answering that particular question. Everything else people have added since then has been due to their overreaction to it.

On top of that I deeply love Katsuki and I would've died of heartbreak if she were scum in this game.

As for Cobbler, lololololololololololololololol... scum.

[Juls]

So your vote on Amrun, explain it a little bit because you are sheeping Spy mostly and then it appears a bit OMGUSy.