Micro 623: Dem Tryouts 2 [GAME OVER]

[Something_Smart]

@Korts: How can you see a DoctorPepper/pistachi0n team shooting anyone besides SloppyJoe?

[Korts]

It's very hard to analyze why a given scumteam shot a certain way; I saw a multiball game go into night at 1:1:2, and one of the teams aimed for town, even though that's a stupid play

[Something_Smart]

So you agree with that statement?

[Korts]

I agree that NK analysis is futile.

[Something_Smart]

That's a reasonable answer.
Can you explain your read progression on DoctorPepper throughout Day 1?

[Korts]

I'm sure you already did, but I don't care to find it - can you explain why a DP/stach team would have tried to kill Joe?

I did not pay much attention to DP Day 1. He was vaguely scummy, but I had nothing concrete, and I had stronger reads to pursue.

[Korts]

Also there was that fluffy PBPA you did on him that only increased my interest in you.

[Something_Smart]

I'm sure you already did, but I don't care to find it - can you explain why a DP/stach team would have tried to kill Joe?

I did not pay much attention to DP Day 1. He was vaguely scummy, but I had nothing concrete, and I had stronger reads to pursue.

Well, they were both scumreading him and pushing his wagon.

Also there was that fluffy PBPA you did on him that only increased my interest in you.

So, there's your readlist in 180:
The_Jester
Something_Smart
RachMarie
pistachi0n
DoctorPepper
SloppyJoe

Soon thereafter you say that "Rach isn't particularly town-like" (228). This seems to imply a healthy townread on me and Jester and a de facto scumread on everyone else, including DoctorPepper. You disagreed with my method, the one I used to call you and DoctorPepper scum, but never discussed how you thought it happened to be correct on DoctorPepper.

By 318, those two townreads still don't seem to have changed, yet you don't seem keen to lynch Rach or DoctorPepper. DoctorPepper, in particular, has suddenly become your third-strongest townread, your go-to townread if one of your other two is wrong.

After my case, you feel even better about your DoctorPepper read. Why? I can see two possible reasons:

1. My case was so weak that it actually provided stronger reasoning for why he was town. This was what your post (341) seemed to imply, although it's patently ridiculous.
2. My case was so weak that you thought that I was more likely to be scum because I made it. This is the only excuse that makes any sense, except you never said anything about that in 341. In fact, you seem to go to significant length to discredit the case without actually calling me scum for it.

So my question is, why would you be ignoring any player in a 7p game, and how did your read change so firmly on a player you did not pay much attention to (especially given that you already apparently had two decent townreads)?

[Korts]

Calling the two sentences I devoted to addressing your fluffcase "significant lengths" is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

And while you seem to understand regarding my 180/228 reads that only the top two are town reads, and the other four are varying levels of scumminess, you promptly forget that in your next paragraph when you call my DP read third-town. Do you just make whatever argument seems to most conveniently implicate me?

You disagreed with my method, the one I used to call you and DoctorPepper scum, but never discussed how you thought it happened to be correct on DoctorPepper.

What is there to discuss? The fact that your tell happened to point to scum does not change the fact that it is reductive.

Well, they were both scumreading him and pushing his wagon.

Yes, and? He was also a good candidate for a lynch. You were also pushing DP's wagon too hard. They might also have wanted to shoot Jester on consecutive nights to get rid of the obvtown, as a Jester lynch was and is never going to happen.

Why do you presume to understand everyone's motivations so well? Do you have no understanding of nuance?

And will you please vote me already?

[Korts]

To address your question(s):

So my question is, why would you be ignoring any player in a 7p game, and how did your read change so firmly on a player you did not pay much attention to (especially given that you already apparently had two decent townreads)?

Not paying attention is not the same as ignoring. And my read did not change on him, my read changed on everyone else around him, bumping him up the list in the process.

Stop piling on the bullshit and vote for me, fucker.

[Something_Smart]

Korts: SS you should vote me
SS: No I won't, because I think you're scum
Lmao multiball is so weird

Anyway...

Regarding the "why wouldn't they shoot SJ" argument, I already conceded that you had a fair point.

And what did I forget in saying DP was your third-towniest read? He was. That's like saying that if I have some ice cubes at various temperatures, then I can't call the one at the highest temperature the hottest because it's not hot.

Regarding 509, first of all, you pretty much did ignore him. Second of all, are your reads zero-sum (every read change has to be balanced by an equivalent change in the opposite direction)? If not, why not?

Finally, why are you being rude to me and trying to assign an ulterior motive to everything I do while you are townreading me?

[Korts]

Because I just want to die already.

[Korts]

Also.

I will be on V/LA next week. I will be posting from my phone, but don't expect much.

[The_Jester]

Well it's hard to imagine scum acting like that, as much as I've suspected Korts. Sigh.

[SloppyJoe]

If Korts is scum, I'd be willing to let him have second place for apologizing for the fuck yous.
If pistachi0n is scum, she deserves 3rd place.

[Something_Smart]

@Mod: I'll be V/LA from Friday to Tuesday.

I'll still have mobile access though, so no worries.

Noted.
-Shos

[Korts]

Ok, well, if we're not going to lynch me, I'd like to see pistachi0n go. Hopefully she flips Scum A and we can put the idea of a DP/Korts team to rest.

VOTE: pistachi0n

That's L-1 by my count.

[pistachi0n]

I also have a tendency (trying to get rid of) of being

really

OMGUS. I was also not too focused on the Jester or you, too, day 1.

This explains a lot.

[SloppyJoe]

Waiting on SS, don't have much to say right now.

[Something_Smart]

Waiting on me to do what?

[SloppyJoe]

Hammer pistachi0n.

[Something_Smart]

Fair enough.
Intent to hammer.

[pistachi0n]

So what are you waiting for?

[shos]

VOTECOUNT 2.3

Deadline is in: (expired on 2016-08-03 12:11:11)

Votecount

:

• [0] -
  The_Jester
  
  
• [0] -
  Korts
  
  
• [0] -
  Something_Smart
  
  
• [2] -
  pistachi0n
  
  SloppyJoe, Korts.
  
• [2] -
  SloppyJoe
  
  Something_Smart, pistachi0n.

Not voting

- The_Jester.

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

[Something_Smart]

I was waiting for you to say anything you wanted to say.
Since that seems to be nothing:
VOTE: pistachi0n
@Jester: don't forget 482.