See, this, too. If CES was still alive, then Dan would probably be getting lynchedIn post 513, inspiratieloos wrote:You'll still get lynched tomorrow, so it's all good.In post 511, Xdaamno wrote:town!Erik would try harder than this - but still, it is true.
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todayand not tomorrow. So from your viewpoint, why is this good?-
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AV, at the start of the day, you immediately voted inspi, before we'd even had the claims. Why was this, and why were you so convinced one of them had to be scum, that it wasn't a really big town screw-up?-
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There's a difference between a bodyguard and a jailkeeper/Doctor. If town!Dan had targeted someone else and been correct, then what? He'd have died, couldn't have shared his findings and we might still lynch the person he protected. The only thing for him to do was protecting CES.In post 524, Fenchurch wrote:What makes you say this? Surely the same assumption could apply to you? If anything, I would have expected you to protect CES and Dan to target someone else and try and take the bullet.
OTOH if I protect someone else and am correct we'd have a no-kill and probably a confirmed townie depending on whether CDB used his commute (and since I was jailing CDB anyway we'd have a conf town regardless).
Anyone else as scum could have directed the lynches to Dan and me today and tomorrow (really, the only thing they'd have to do was steer it away from Nexus) and then NK'd CES. With that in mind I jailed the person I would kill as scum, which as I said earlier was more or less at random between you and CDB.
Which leads back to points 1 and 2 from my reasoning, the only way CES would die was if Dan was scum and confirmed himself as such.
Of course lynching Dan now would be better, but at the point I made that post it just wasn't going to happen, at least my lynch guarantees that we catch scum tomorrow.Fenchurch wrote:
See, this, too. If CES was still alive, then Dan would probably be getting lynchedIn post 513, inspiratieloos wrote:
You'll still get lynched tomorrow, so it's all good.In post 511, Xdaamno wrote:town!Erik would try harder than this - but still, it is true.todayand not tomorrow. So from your viewpoint, why is this good?
Fenchurch wrote:Also, if Dan is confirmed scum to you now, why aren't you looking for the buddy?In post 508, inspiratieloos wrote:I've been looking though Dan's ISO and the thing that jumps out most is that he kept going back to mentioning suspicion of AV throughout D1, even after everyone decided that 'yes, he's probably scum, but we're not going to lynch him till LYLO'. That might be scum trying to set up a mislynch, but it also works really well for safe bussing. The only moment where AV is going to get lynched before Dan is if they're already at 5P LYLO, which means Dan would then be in 3P LYLO after having led the wagon on his partner.-
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The benefit of town-Dan successfully bodyguarding would be that the mafia kill gets switched from someone who was probably obv-town (or even conf-town), to someone who was gonna get lynched. It basically buys us a free lynch.In post 527, inspiratieloos wrote:If town!Dan had targeted someone else and been correct, then what? He'd have died, couldn't have shared his findings and we might still lynch the person he protected.
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@Fen, CES died so one of Dan/Inspie is obviously scum. I have been suspicious of Inspie since yesterday and was always going to prefer to lynch him before Dan. If there had been some massive town cock-up then it would have been clear from Dan/Inspie's posts, and I could always unvote later.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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This is a reasonably good scum tell on AV, actually, I think.In post 526, Fenchurch wrote:Why was this, and why were you so convinced one of them had to be scum, that it wasn't a really big town screw-up?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
"did you get ces to look disgusted by their offer? i thought that might work" - Patrick
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Up to page 14 yesterday, then I got drawn into skype mafia.
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Scum will know of the showdown between me and Erik, because they planned it - I'm not saying it's an implausible thing to do as town, of course.In post 532, AurorusVox wrote:How is that a scumtell in any way, shape or form?"This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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In post 336, AurorusVox wrote:or more devilishly with scumInspie that wants to NK max (using his Jail to frame Dan).In post 339, AurorusVox wrote:It makes sense with Inspie scum as well, since he can use a Max NK to frame xD.THE LEMON LIVES! - Cabd-
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Unless anyone still deliberating over me vs Erik, you might as well go ahead and vote - better to have these pairing discussions after we've had a flip."This should be an absolute car crash, but let's try it." - CDB
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I'd said I was still reading. I was actually in the middle of writing a post. You haven't seemed especially involved in the game, and have offered us almost nothing today on which to judge your alignment. Why do you think it was right to lay down the hammer, without offering even a sentence of explanation?-
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Okay. Well it wasn't a good move, in my opinion, when you could have given us so much more than just that. Here's the post I was in the middle of writing. It still stands.
I haven't finished re-reading, and whilst I do think it's worthwhile, it's true that it'll probably be of more value once we have a flip one way or the other. What I've read so far hasn't changed my opinions from the start of the Day.
The way I see it, if CES hadn't been killed, we'd almost certainly be lynching Dan today, probably AV tomorrow, and then maybe Nexus or inspi (assuming the game wasn't already over).
Therefore if scum aren't in that group of players, I just can't see why they would bother to kill CES, because they would have a good shot at winning with him still alive. At the very least they could wait until the protective roles were dead, to prevent the risk of missing or misfiring.
And killing CES carried risk for both Dan and inspi as scum. Dan because he can't guarantee the kill goes through (except if he is scum with inspi), and whilst missing just one kill might not be too damaging to the scum-team, there are two roles in the game that can cause them to lose a kill, so if the plan goes wrong they could effectively give the town an extra Day. It's still possible that a Dan-?? scumteam would take this risk; either way I see it as more likely that they would do so if the partner is among the players I've listed above.
For inspi, it seems odd because (unless he is scum with Dan), in doing this he has brought his own lynch forward by several days (by my estimation). And if inspi is scum with anyone besides the players I mentioned above, he may have been able to win fairly easily without killing CES.
To me, if inspi flips scum here, the most likely partner is Dan. CES spent the whole of yesterday trying to get us to lynch Dan and I'm not about to disregard that. A scumteam of Dan-inspi had the most to gain and the least to lose from killing CES. I said just now that it would surely make sense for most scum-teams to wait until the protective roles are lynched before killing CES; that's never gonna work if the protective roles ARE the scum. It was likely that they would both be lynched before the game was over.
AVox is my second pick for scum-partner with either inspi or Dan. I don't think the WIFOM of him trying to draw the investigation is worth enough to discount him. So many people were trying to get him lynched that a guilty investigation wouldn't have made him that much worse off; and I can also believe that he might make that kind of bluff as scum, in the hope that Max would respond as he did.
Nexus would be my third pick, but to be honest I found his total lack of comprehension in #521 came across as real, not fake; and I think he would have more awareness if he was scum.
That brings you mostly up-to-date with my thoughts from the mason topic. I'll post anything extra if I think of it, and/or once we have the flip.-
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inspiratieloos (4) -- AurorusVox, Xdaamno, ChannelDelibird, Nexus
Xdaamno (1) -- inspiratieloos
Not voting: Fenchurch, Primate
7 alive, 4 to lynch.
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inspiratieloos - Flawed Jailer - Werewolf - lynched day 2
With that, night 2 arrives, with a 48 hour deadline. Sleep well.Primpod 11:13 pm
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