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Brian Skies Survivor
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In post 5621, Titus wrote:VOTE: Brian
There we go. There's a wagon I approve of that has most of the votes.
Like half the things you've said about me are inherently incorrect and I've even pointed these things out. You're ignoring me and just tunneling me, and no one can even see this.-
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goodmorning AnySurvivorAny
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After seeing the recent pages, I'll vote any wagon today except Brian and ckd.
P-Edit: Well yeah, I didn't expect you to fall entirely back on VCA.EFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENTLA during normal working and sleeping hours EST
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@Brian, I don't see who he'd be misdirecting from. Goodmorning and Rip are the other two in my pool. So them.
@Goodmorning, for a player that's played with me so much, you should know my VCA trumps behavior. Every time.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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Brian Skies Survivor
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In the rare event this is lylo, then we've got goodmorning is only scum with Brian.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 5630, Brian Skies wrote:It's probably also why your reads tend to blow and you often try to clear scum and mislynch town. I'm also finding it hard to believe that you'd openly admit how weak your VCA is this game yet blindly rely on it as heavily as you are now.
Why RIP? He's the main reason you're even here right now.
My VCA isn't weak. It's just not 100% solely because of the sleeper.
I'm here because Nero left. I don't see what RIP has to do with it. He had no clue who would join the game. Second, no one would deliberately bring me in at this point unless they totally thought they could fool my VCA. Which RIP did not so...ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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In post 5632, Brian Skies wrote:I highly doubt there are 6 scum this game. Even though this is a large, the only game this size I've seen with 6 scum is Graveyard Shift Mafia, and that game had a White Flag mechanic.
Speaking of that game, my read was REALLY good that game. Second, notice the clause "rare event" means its unlikely.
What is your stance on GM?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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In post 5633, Titus wrote:I don't see what RIP has to do with it.
He's the reason Nero was force replaced.
In post 5634, Titus wrote:What is your stance on GM?
Unless Val's lying about her first action (and there's really no reason to believe she would be even if she were the sleeper), then there's probably a roleblocker somewhere and it's probably hiding in the mass of claimed VT's (or it's your slot, but I don't see the point in trying to convince you you're scum).
I can't stand RIP's posting, but I keep falling back towards thinking he's really trying to figure out the game and I don't think scum would be so adamant about getting a replacement over keeping an apathetic player in the game. I just feel like scum would prefer to have a more apathetic game state to fall back on. Also, some of his explained thought process do make some sense if you think about them.
If GM's scum, she has a great opportunity to lynch me here and she's not taking it. I thought there was some hydra dissonance earlier in the game, but after reading their posts, I think it's more likely some of us were just misreading what they had to say in the game. She's also been pretty consistent as activity has been concerned and I think she's one of the few players left that's actually thinking about the game from a logical standpoint that makes any sense (maybe, I could be entirely wrong about this as she could be buddying me).
Nik is just kind of there for me. I think he looked great earlier, but he tends to throw out these soft theories and then take them back at a moment's notice and I think it's possible he's having trouble looking town or making town sounding posts. He's also been fading into the background recently and not making any dedicated pushes anywhere.
What even is your issue with me? You've been tunneling me and ignoring a lot of what I've been saying since you replaced in and your vote on me is starting to feel premeditated at this point.-
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@Brian, You're point. Gaming mod decisions isn't the game.
Metal Sonic and I were craving an Oversoul replacement in We the Purple II. Not perfect as I know that I'm not scum but still, scum can ask for replacements and I do those sort of things all the time as scum. Don't read the request, look at the motivation. Did RIP fear being lynched if there wasn't a voice defending him? Did Nero have reads he wanted out of the way but couldn't kill him? Read the motivation, not the act.
You're whining that I'm "ignoring" you yet I'm addressing your questions and you've been asking me things I had already been over with CKD (Why is Nik only scum with GM?). My issue with you is that you were decent at the start of the game, but then were utterly terrible. That's my issue, and your posts looks like what I'd expect to see for a sleeper. Do I know that? No. Then I find out that you've "forgotten" to submit actions to the mod. I'd be fine with that if this is your usual lurktastic game, but you aren't lurking, you're invested.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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Brian Skies Survivor
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ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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In post 5628, Brian Skies wrote:Hey GM, what's your read on me based on?
Your role and your continued behaviour.
The paranoia of ckd's read-case-thing on you was alluring but ultimately unsatisfactory.EFFORT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENTLA during normal working and sleeping hours EST
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You are aware Brian just self hammered right?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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VOTE COUNT 8.5
RIP (1)- goodmorning,
Brian Skies (4-LYNCH)- RIP, curiouskarmadog, Titus, Brian Skies
goodmorning (1)Nikanor
Not voting (1)- ValiliaRei
With 7 alive, it will take 4 votes to lynch. Deadline is (expired on 2015-08-14 15:58:00)
Brian Skies has been lynched. Flip to come.All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.
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In post 5613, curiouskarmadog wrote:mod
does a silencer usually remove the ability of someone to vote (along with keeping them quiet)?
No comment.All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.
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Spoiler: Endgame flavour
Welcome to Battlestar Galactica Mafia,Brian Skies. You areMargaret 'Racetrack' Edmondson...
Brian Skies,Margaret 'Racetrack' Edmondson, Cylon Sleeper Agent and Watcher, has been lynched on Day 8.
All Cylon players are dead and at least one human remains alive. THE HUMANS HAVE WON.
goodmorning, Sharon 'Boomer' Valerii, Human Townie, survived to endgame.
ValiliaRei, Lee 'Apollo' Adama, Human Jack-of-all-Trades, survived to endgame.
Titus, Alex 'Crashdown' Quartararo, Human Bandwagoner, survived to endgame.
Nikanor, Ellen Tigh, Human Townie, survived to endgame.
curiouskarmadog, Felix Gaeta, Human Mutineer, survived to endgame.
RIP, Diana 'Hardball' Seelix, Human Townie, survived to endgame.
Full role PMs, night actions, private topics and mod reflections all on the way - most in the next few minutes, night actions probably tomorrow.All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.
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All of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.
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Role PMs:
Spoiler: Toogeloo/Gaius Baltar
Spoiler: PeaceBringer/Number Six
Spoiler: AngryPidgeon/Helo
Spoiler: THE WRONG LYNCH/Boomer
Spoiler: Mantisdreamz/Sam Anders
Spoiler: ValiliaRei/Apollo
Spoiler: curiouskarmadog/Felix Gaeta
Spoiler: NotAnAxehole/Tom Zarek
Spoiler: Bookitty/Starbuck
Spoiler: Andrius/Helena Cain
Spoiler: Tammy/William Adama
Spoiler: Nero Cain/Crashdown
Spoiler: LLD/Kendra Shaw
Spoiler: Nikanor/Ellen Tigh
Spoiler: Porochaz/Peter Laird
Spoiler: SnowStorm/Tory Foster
Spoiler: RIP/Diana Seelix
Spoiler: Brian Skies/Racetrack
Spoiler: Racetrack's Sleeper Agent PM sent at start of Night 3
Spoiler: Albert B. Rampage/John Cavil
Spoiler: BROseidon/D'Anna Biers
Spoiler: ooba/Leoben ConoyAll of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.
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This really didn't work out how I hoped it would - and I had high hopes.
The blame for this is primarily on me - I drafted the setup and the final version is almost completely unchanged from that draft.
Beyond the fact that both Nexus and I love BSG, there were two main reasons why I wanted to make this game: one, to implement the Baltar-and-Six dynamic in a way that worked, and two, to pull off the Sleeper Agent mechanic. Head Six, in particular, was a concept for a mafia game that had been kicking around in my head for at least a couple of years.
I wrote the below around Day 4. I'll undoubtedly have much more to say over the next couple of days but this addresses what I think were the biggest issues with the game:
While I do still believe that there are players other than PeaceBringer who would have beenmoreenthusiastic about the challenge of playing this Six, it's clear to me now that I didn't get this right, which is really frustrating as it was absolutely what I spent at least 80% of the setup design worrying about. It used to be even less involved, if you can believe that - the Gina ability was something we added later, after asking Xdaamno as my test subject to see if he would be excited to receive the role PM. In his defence, he recommended what would have been a better extra ability (something like posting notes in the flavour or similar) but we couldn't figure out a way to make that work thematically. LESSON: Be willing to compromise on theme accuracy if it makes for a better game.
I was really excited about the implications of Six as a role - you get a thorough examination of this one other player. Can you trust them? What happens if you give them your reads - do they choose to translate them to the thread? What doeshowthey do that make you think of them? One thing I didn't really see coming was PeaceBringer immediately claiming his Shelley ability to Toogeloo, like straight away. That was meant to be the tool for a Six still unsure of Baltar to jump into the thread and really shake things up for that guy, but it never worked out that way. Her suspicions were meant to be compounded by Baltar being afraid to say too much as the guy who gets screening results every Night, but this probably wasn't an aspect of the show tension that was ever going to replicate properly to that important a town Cop role. And, as some players guessed, making either Baltar or Six actually scum would have been really hard on both of them.
So that was the main mistake. Ultimately, Six wouldn't have been enough fun for anyone. But there were more.
I didn't want the game to be breakable on flavour - that's why the Cylons had six safeclaims and a Sleeper Agent who was a human on the show (though she wasn't necessarily going to be - more on that in a moment). But I do regret not making one of the initial scum players a show-human. That, in fact, was always the plan when I started thinking about the game, but a desire to represent some of the show-Cylon characters whom I love with interesting, thematic abilities got the better of me. I should have killed my darlings and sacrificed a comparatively weak Cavil or Leoben role for frakkin' Cottle or something. Multiple people knew that Andrius was Cain but that should never have made them townread him so hard for it (part of the problem here is the last-minute nature of the addition of Six's Gina power, when Cain was the last person to whom we should have created another connection).
The Sleeper Agent! So here's how the allocation worked: I created the setup with the three scum and 18 town, drafted it fully with roles and flavour, then randomised the sleeper out of the human characters (ignorning Six and Baltar), with the knowledge that I would then tweak the setup for balance once the sleeper was assigned (the Tracker and Watcher combo would not have been allowed to stand if both Starbuck and Racetrack were human, for example). As it happened, Racetrack looked like a solid enough choice to me, so no big changes were made.
I wanted the sleeper's flip to come at a meaningful stage of the game, so that they didn't just get a token Day as town before switching sides. With hindsight, maybe Night 3 was too late for a Racetrack sleeper? I'd also sort of assumed that human players would be a little more paranoid of being sleepers than they had any right to be but Brian was probably right to play the odds and just play full-human, picking clear human-motivated targets and claiming when he saw people target the dead person. So I feel pretty bad on his behalf for him ending up in that position, and I wanted to cry when I saw Bookitty track sangres to him on Night 2.
And there's not even a question that we lowballed the size of the scumteam given all of the above, overestimating the power of the sleeper mechanic and underestimating how well Baltar could clear people without getting immediately annihilated. Makes me feel pretty silly.
Ultimately, I'm left wishing I'd given the flavour a better game. But I hope that at least some people involved had fun with it! Thank you for playing. Thank you for those who stuck it out the whole way, thank you to those who replaced into a very long game, and thank you who helped make it happen in the first place, misguided as parts of it were.#greenshirtthursdays-
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@CDB, I think the setup was well, but it was only later in the game.
The fact Brian did so well as essentially solo scum is a testament to him. I was expecting at least one more additional scum (that's why I was surprised by Brian's hammer rather than him capitalizing on the undercurrent of Titus being scum because his buddy would have helped out.)
I'll admit I didn't read the whole thing but I was excited by the mechanic and wanted to test my VCA here with the sleeper mechanic. I do think some of your choices did help balance for fewer scum (namely the removing four town from the day 1 lynch). Overall, the concept is pretty good and the sleeper agent is an interesting method of looking at the traitor.
Given it is a scum role, I would let the scumteam choose when the activate it in the next edition, but put a time cap on it, such as no N1 activation, but must be activated by N3.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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ChannelDelibird, I would have really enjoyed a role like the one Peacebringer had. It suits my playstyle very well and I think I would have enjoyed it a lot.
I wasn’t here very long in this game but I did enjoy it and this game was important to me while I was here. I needed a large distraction to fill my head with for a while and this game was large enough to help with that. And then getting nightkilled so soon helped with a confidence problem I was having so thanks for that too. Good game, everyone.The failure mode of clever is asshole.
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