Mafia 31: African - Game over!

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

vikingfan (2): olio, Maximumum
olio (2): CoolBot, vikingfan
Assasin (1): Myopia

Not Voting: Assasin, big_kahunia, Uraj45, Dranko20, Quailman, MMCL, Otaku376, Quagmire

[Maximumum]

Is there ever a role in which the player who kills a cop gets the cop's investigations? Is that ever one of the perks of a godfather? Sorry for the questions, I'm just curious. I still think olio is on the level, but that could be another explanation.

A mafia investigator would get his own investigations, wouldn't he? Not someone else's. If Olio is mafia and he got the investigation on me before I used my power it would stand to reason that he would have wanted to take me out before I could play my drum. There were no kills the night I played so it turned out to be somewhat powerful.

[Quailman]

He could be a mafia spy who has his own investigations. Often he's not part of them until they recruit him, so they wouldn't have known to take you out.

[Myopia]

Alternatively he may simply not have realised you were a threat. Master drummer sounds pretty innocuous to me.

In any event I simply cant rationalise olio's result on vikingsfan. I know Im telling the truth so i will

vote olio

and if thats right Ill take my hat off for mmcl for his scum finding this game

[Myopia]

oops

unvote assassin vote olio

[MMCL]

Vote: Olio

He's a townie now or he's lying... either way.... we need to move on.

[Quailman]

What is this, the third time I've voted for him today?

vote: olio

[Yaw]

Quagmire's asked to be replaced, so I'm currently working on that. In the meantime, may as well update.

Vote Count:

olio (5): CoolBot, vikingfan, Myopia, MMCL, Quailman
vikingfan (2): olio, Maximumum

Not Voting: Assasin, big_kahunia, Uraj45, Dranko20, Otaku376, Quagmire

[Maximumum]

I don't understand....how will lynching olio help our situation?

It has already been confirmed that two of the three investigations olio revealed in his claim are accurate. The only question seems to be how he got those investigations.
So, now the theory is that he is a mafia investigator who gave two accurate investigations in his claim

just to get the orange-selling townie lynched

? Frankly, that doesn't make sense.

Also, lynching olio will do nothing to establish the validity of Myopia's claim. I know people seem to be content with believing Myopia but I'm still very skeptical. We have absolutely no proof that he is actually an insane cop. The mathcam lynch could have just been him sacrificing a member of his mafia to help confirm his made up role. Remember, he didn't WANT us to lynch mathcam. If he is indeed making his whole role up then by lynching olio we STILL won't know about it. You seem fine with the possiblity giving up a townie in lynching olio....wouldn't it make more sense to lynch the townie that will establish the roles of TWO players?

[Myopia]

You make some valid points.

In response:

- If Olio is scum he didnt reveal himself and his investigations just to lynch vikingsfan. As you will recall the context of the claim was him looking the wrong way down a very large bandwagon which was based around the fact that he was pushing for a vikingsfan lynch which he couldnt justify without the claim. I dont think it was a matter of getting vikingsfan lynched more trying desperately to stave off his own lynch today.

- To be fair if Olio is scum I cant really rationalise why he went so hard for vikinsfan. And of course his claim only buys him an extra day if its wrong. For me this puts me at about a 80% certainty he is scum rather than 95%.

- Assuming i had a masterplan to lynch mathcam to ingratiate myself with the town (as you suggest) you have to admit I went about it a very strange way. Remember that I (mistakenly) wanted to lynch quagmire. If the town had of gone along with me I would have been in a really difficult spot the next day that I didnt have to put myself in.

- In line with your theory, If Im scum then im scum with mathcam and vikingsfan (which would require 4 in that group). Its a WIFOM argument but why would I go to all the trouble to establish myself as a cop and lynch my buddy to do so and then risk all of that uneccessarily to save vikingsfan for a day. Bearing in mind that if we lynch olio and he is innocent then vikinsfan probably gets lynched tommorow and me the day after if he is scum.


- Your theory ignores the relative strengths of our claims (I think Ive done this to death to this point so Ill leave it)

- If you do think that my and olio's claim have equal validity or olio's claim is stronger than mine then frankly I agree that vikinsfan might be the better lynch from an objective information perspective as failing something we cant anticipate it will indicate vikingsfan's alignment and should indicate olio's and mine.

- However a right lynch is also preferable to a mislynch (which gives the scum another night to kill). Subjectively I know that vikinsfan is the wrong lynch and olio is quite likely the right one. As Ive said if olio is scum its quite possible that killing him kills his scum group as well.

- Ultimately Im operating on a subjective basis of course. As a matter of common sense Im simply not going to vote for someone I have an innocent result on. Whether the town agrees is of course up to it.

[Otaku376]

vote: olio

it is yert tiring to hear the same arguements over and over again.

[Yaw]

PookyTheMagicalBear is replacing Quagmire.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

vote olio

One teensy little problem with your roleclaim olio,

IS was roleblocked night one.

Night Night scum

[Yaw]

Final Vote Count:

olio (7): CoolBot, vikingfan, Myopia, MMCL, Quailman, Otaku376, PookyTheMagicalBear
vikingfan (2): olio, Maximumum

Not Voting: Assasin, big_kahunia, Uraj45, Dranko20

After some arguing, the town turns against olio.

"But I'm Internet Stranger's cousin!" he screams. "I have the results of his visions!"

"Oh yeah? Then why don't the other fetish priests have cousins?"

"How am I to know about their families? I am what I am."

What he is, however, is dead, courtesy of a quick execution. On examining his body, you find that he does not have Ashanti tribal markings. He also carries several tools for muffling his footsteps and sneaking into places.

olio, Akuapem Spy (Mafia Cop), lynched Day 5

It is now Night 6. Get your choices in by

Tuesday, March 22 at midnight EST

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[Yaw]

You awake to the warm African sunshine, and go about your morning affairs, afraid of what you will find when you step outside. Today your dread is ill-founded, however, as you discover no new bodies.

It is now Day 6.

With 12 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote vikingsfan

information from a mafia spy is still information!

Since olio was probly the last person on his team, he wouldn't gain anything by giving us misleading information about who was guilty because he would certainly die the next day if Viking turned out to be innocent when we lynched , if he hadn't found scum with his information ability he could've just showed us the information he found out about the innocents he investigated in order to stay alive for a while. So Olio was almost certainly telling the truth about Viking's scumminess as he has nothing to gain by lying.

[Yaw]

MMCL is in Amsterdam at the moment. He will be back late Wednesday night, and doesn't expect to be able to post until Thursday at the earliest.

[big_kahunia]

With no kills, I'm guessing we have one scum left--a Fanti Asafo. I could be wrong.

What'd ya get Myopia? I think I need to reread the past days events.

[CoolBot]

Looking at the mafia roles, it seems we have two Fanti Asaso (a spy & a leader) and one Akuapem (a warrior).

I'm curious why maximumum defended olio and why he consistenly attempted to discredit myopia.

[vikingfan]

information from a mafia spy is still information!

Since olio was probly the last person on his team, he wouldn't gain anything by giving us misleading information about who was guilty because he would certainly die the next day if Viking turned out to be innocent when we lynched , if he hadn't found scum with his information ability he could've just showed us the information he found out about the innocents he investigated in order to stay alive for a while. So Olio was almost certainly telling the truth about Viking's scumminess as he has nothing to gain by lying.

Where the heck are you getting this? Myopia has investigated me and gotten me correct. Lots of people have said that I'm telling the truth. Olio was MAFIA! That means you can't take anything he says as gospel. You can't even assume that he investigated me.

And assuming that giving us correct info will help him get by is false! It would have enabled him to stay alive one more night(if he was believed). He was already heavily scrutinized because he was the ONLY one going after me, and he was mafia.

Massive FOS: Pookythemagicalbear

For crying out loud, I thought I'd been fairly cleared by everyone now. Apparently not...

As far as roles left, don't forget the 2 cultists(assuming Maximus succesfully recruited both nights). We haven't killed either one of them yet.

I'll wait to hear from myopia before voting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The Asafo probably have one last scum member left and since their godfather has not been caught, it could very well be that you are the Asafo Godfather and THAT is why Myopia thinks you are innocent.

Why would Olio lie to us about whether you are scum or not? he is the LAST member of his family which means that getting by one day is NOT going to help his cause since he would be lynched the next day if you are shown to be innocent.

Think about it this way, if you are a mafia spy and the last of the family, what would you do if you are forced to claim?

1) Claim that someone who's innocent is scum, get lynched next day and lose the game for the family

2) Claim the results you have, try to look like a cop, town verifies authenticity, you might live till the end and win.

3) Claim someone who's scum is scum, get them lynched, be the hero, try to lurk till the end and win



Now why would you pick choice 1? The Lepton doesn't work if there's nobody left in the family to benefit from it!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

And no I didn't miss the fact that Locus found Coron guilty, but just because one Godfather was somehow caught does not mean that the other Godfather is not investigation immune,

If you look at the VKFan's posts, he hugs Myopia as if he's the holy grail and he's trying to ride that into the endgame.

I think that of the scum, we have only one left and that's VikingsFan,

I don't think the scum groups are 4 each, I think it's probably 3 each.

[vikingfan]

How do you know that there is no one left in the family? Maybe that's what olio wants us to think. Besides, olio was going so hard after me that he HAD to claim a role that would go after me. He would have been better off not bringing up my claim so often, because it's clear that no one else was following him.

As for the godfather, I could MAYBE buy that line of reasoning, except for the fact that Locus also discovered a godfather. We tried this same line of reasoning for Maximus's claim and didn't get any farther there.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Because if he wasn't the only one in the family then we would have 2 nightkill attempts tonight and it's improbable that both attempts failed.

[Myopia]

I received a guilty (therfore innocent) result on otaku 76. I cant see any point in not outing innocents at this stage when we have so many.

It certainly seems that with olio's death weve eliminated a killing group so the 3 scum per mafia seems the most likely possibility at that stage which potentially only leaves us with 1 godfather left.

Factors for vikingsfan being scum

- why did olio tag him as scum if he knew it would simply buy him a day


Factors for vikingsfan not being scum

- olio was desperate;

-locus received a guilty on the other godfather which makes it likely (at least to me) that the other godfather isnt investigative immune either

- for vikinsfan to be guilty olio must have received a guilty on him while I received an innocent which doesnt make much sense (hes unlikely to be immune to one not the other).

On the whole I dont think anyone is 100% confirmed innocent but at this stage Im comfortable with anyone I investigated and received an innocent for as 95% innocent unless someone comes up with some further info.