Perfectionist Mafia - Resultas

[Santos]

I need to be replaced? wtf

[Sanjay]

No dude. Replacement of Deathnote was a person. You are a different person.

[xRECKONERx]

The players alive that haven't posted since Mufasa claimed:

Remplacement of DeathNote, Santos, Deuxieme Octopus, MrSuave

drunk epiphanies ftw!

what was The point of Really showing us this, exactly? Are you trying to appear townie? I think you are just trying to appear townie without being pro-town. Tell me: do you think this is really gonna solve anything? OR what? please, let me know... im dying to hear.

[Santos]

oooooo, nice catch, RECKONER. That was a good 'zinger'!

[xRECKONERx]

dont make fun of my drunk posts Dammit

[Santos]

I am three pacificos deep my friend. shuddup and take it.

[xRECKONERx]

sorry, im not into that sort of thing

[Santos]

get to the outerbanks, the lot of you!

[xRECKONERx]

...what. are you in NC. i'm scared and going to bed now.

Sanjay, please respond to my post

[Sanjay]

I want everyone on that list to post so we know whether or not Mufasa is counterclaimed or not.

Duh?

[Santos]

No, I just did my state report on NC and visited the lighthouses...I have family in Highpoint as well. so that is the creepy relevance of my demand.

[Sanjay]

There was an implication which I guess I should have made more clear that if you are not on that list I am assuming you aren't counterclaiming Mufasa.

[almightybob]

I agree with Sanjay. The only people who now haven't posted since Mufasa's vig claim are ZONEACE, DO, and MrSuave. If none of them counterclaims, then Mufasa is the real vig.

Are you doing this in preparation for a possible counterclaim, or do you think Mufasa could be uncounterclaimed and scum?

Yes, I'm asking him questions to find out the specific details of his claim. The more information we have, the better.
And no, it's impossible for Mufasa to be scum and go unCCed (unless our vig is brain-dead).

Here's why:
1) There's definitely a vig, because there were two night kills. They could

only

be the scum and vig kills.
2) Our vig is now effectively a Vanilla Townie, and so has absolutely no reason not to counterclaim if he sees someone else claiming his role
3) So if Mufasa is scum, he will definitely be counterclaimed by the real vig
4) If Mufasa is the real vig, he almost definitely won't be counterclaimed, because only scum would fakeclaim against him, and they'd be sentencing themselves to death.

[dramonic]

Santos and Reck should wait to be sober before posting.

[Max]

@Mod: If there is a Mafia redirector, how exactly does their power work? Do they target a person, and anything targeting that person is redirected away? Or do they target a person, and all that person's night actions are directed away to another target? Whichever is the case, is the new target random, or chosen by the scum? The role PM isn't clear.

They target the person with the ability and they would also select the target

Also, if a Townie loses their power, do they still flip as their original role upon death, or are they changed to Vanilla Townie?

As ability

[FaerieLord]

Given that Mufasa just up and claimed when there wasn't really much need to and no-one was asking him to, I'm more likely to believe it. So I suggest we lynch MrSuave, and if he flips Town, lynch Mufasa.

That's actually a pretty good catch.

Same question to FaerieLord.

I don't really care all that much for the setup.
Especially in a bastard game, and the fact that the traitor cannot communicate with mafia in any way, making him about as dangerous as a survivor at this point.

The traitor is something we should be worrying about later in the game.
Right now, we should go for any potential scum roles. Such as the redirector.

Traitor tells might not be as important because we can't be sure there even is a traitor. But if there is a traitor the town has to lynch them to win, so they ARE important

Why are you so sure there is a traitor? You're choosing words like "the traitor"

[Max]

The Democratic Process Reveals:

Secret camera's have revealed 5 people want Mufasa dead, including himself... how odd. But what is even stranger is 8 people want themselves dead...

Five Votes

Mufasa: (Mufasa, Sanjay, xRECKONERx, Santos, dramonic)

Two Votes
FairieLord: (Sposh, FaerieLord)

One Vote:
Dramonic: (saberwolf)

Self Voting: (ZONEACE, EtherealCookie, AlmightyBob, Deuxieme Octopus, Snow White, MrSuave)

Prods Going to:

Duexieme Octopus

[almightybob]

Thanks Mod.


OK, I am now fairly skeptical of the authenticity of Mufasa's claim. Would he really be the target for a redirector? I think it's pretty unlikely. If I were scum here, I severely doubt I'd have townMufasa pegged as a PR, and I certainly wouldn't risk losing my redirecting ability based on that.

When I first commented at the vig here:

Incidentally, @vig: whichever of those two you targeted, what the hell were you thinking? They were both pretty damn high on my Town list. Bloody waste of a Townie and your own role.

Unless your kill was redirected or something.

I was a bit nervous that the last sentence would plant ideas for fakeclaims. And lo and behold, the vig claims that he was indeed redirected.

Points in Mufasa's favour

- he claimed when nobody was asking him to and he wasn't under a huge amount of pressure (although he did, and still does, have the most votes)
- most of the Town has posted by now, and nobody has counterclaimed him. Since there's a guaranteed vig, a lack of CC is a big point in his favour

Points against Mufasa

- he didn't do any breadcrumbing, and there's been very little to suggest he really is a PR
- I consider him a very unlikely choice for redirecting
- a lot of people were suspicious of him on D1, so this could be an attempt to pre-empt his lynch today with a Town claim

[Sanjay]

Could you clarify that question, FaerieLord?

[FaerieLord]

Why are you so sure there is a traitor?

I'm asking this because of your choice of language. "The traitor" indicates that there is one, which isn't knowledge anyone should have.

Also, why are you so keen on finding the traitor over the rest of the scum?

[Snow White]

@FaerieLord.

Where has Sanjay explicitly said "the traitor". He has not to my recollection said "the traitor" instead he has said "if there is a traitor then X,Y &Z".

It sounds as though your twisting Sanjay's words considering that Reck had asked what were Sanjay's ideas on the subject of a traitor.

[Sanjay]

I said it once, here:

Considering the traitor has no NK, I'd say he's not the priority. As long as we kill all the scum, the best he can do is a tie <_<

Well, if we got to choose between lynching

the traitor

or lynching some other scum we would probably be better off picking the other scum, but I don't think it's going to happen so clearly.

Traitor tells might not be as important because we can't be sure there even is a traitor. But if there is a traitor the town has to lynch them to win, so they ARE important.

dramonic, do you think Mufasa could be uncounterclaimed and also scum?

This is what you are having trouble with, FaerieLord?

[FaerieLord]

@FaerieLord.

Where has Sanjay explicitly said "the traitor". He has not to my recollection said "the traitor" instead he has said "if there is a traitor then X,Y &Z".

It sounds as though your twisting Sanjay's words considering that Reck had asked what were Sanjay's ideas on the subject of a traitor.

See the post below you. Try to recollect better before you say I'm twisting
(On a different note, huzzah for spelling my name right )

@Sanjay. Yes.
And the fact that you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with getting the traitor

[Wickedestjr]

BAH!!! Go town!!!

[xRECKONERx]

Thanks Mod.


OK, I am now fairly skeptical of the authenticity of Mufasa's claim. Would he really be the target for a redirector? I think it's pretty unlikely. If I were scum here, I severely doubt I'd have townMufasa pegged as a PR, and I certainly wouldn't risk losing my redirecting ability based on that.

When I first commented at the vig here:

Incidentally, @vig: whichever of those two you targeted, what the hell were you thinking? They were both pretty damn high on my Town list. Bloody waste of a Townie and your own role.

Unless your kill was redirected or something.

I was a bit nervous that the last sentence would plant ideas for fakeclaims. And lo and behold, the vig claims that he was indeed redirected.

Points in Mufasa's favour

- he claimed when nobody was asking him to and he wasn't under a huge amount of pressure (although he did, and still does, have the most votes)
- most of the Town has posted by now, and nobody has counterclaimed him. Since there's a guaranteed vig, a lack of CC is a big point in his favour

Points against Mufasa

- he didn't do any breadcrumbing, and there's been very little to suggest he really is a PR
- I consider him a very unlikely choice for redirecting
- a lot of people were suspicious of him on D1, so this could be an attempt to pre-empt his lynch today with a Town claim

Let me ask you... since NOBODY has CC'd him... don't you think all of your second set of points are a bit weak? No breadcrumbing is meh, I rarely ever breadcrumb. And just because you consider him an unlikely RD choice doesn't mean someone did it.

I need to unvote Mufasa, so I'm gonna switch to

Vote: Almightybob

for now. Saberwolf: why are you voting Dramonic?