I wouldn't even call it a case, considering I haven't even voted for you.Crazy wrote:Do you agree with Izzy's case or with Migwelloni's case?Johnny Rotten wrote:Let's turn up the heat a bit.....
Vote Crazy
Izzy's case is meaningless because I think it's clear my interest in weasel words comes from my own experience as scum, and obviously I'm not just making it up.
As for Migwelloni's case, I have no idea what he was getting at. If you do, I'd actually prefer you to explain it rather than him.
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I responded to your post. Were you expecting me to freak out or something?Johnny Rotten wrote:Basically, I put a vote on Crazy to pressure him and see how he reacted. When he didn't react right away, I got impatient and unvoted.
Perhaps not. You can substitute in the word "argument" or "suspicion," then.Izzy wrote:I wouldn't even call it a case, considering I haven't even voted for you.-
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Agree. Well, kinda. It could also be scum wanting to get into the game, and being able to have the town become active. So Neutral, but doesn't necessarily mean scummy.dRool89 wrote:
After we've had a few people examine prod request, it seems that it was likely (more weasel words) an innocent, "Hey mod, let's get started asap" rather than, "I'm scum and I'm looking to present myself as an active and constructive member of the game within the first two hours to establish a good foundation to hide under."Crazy wrote: Seriously, your case seems well thought out, but you didn't explain any of that in Post 25. You just mentioned the prod request. Why is that?
Agree or disagree?
Alrighty, although this probably doesn't warrant a vote, it seems like now is the time to use votes as pressure.
unvote, vote: shatteredviewpoint
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@Johnny: Clued in. It took some thinking, but I got there.
@SSSSSSS: Yes. Crazy still looks suspicious to me. All that Miller speculation, and the semantics debate. I just don't like it.
My vote stays. Until I find scummier scum, of course.Better than you. Don't doubt me; it won't end well.
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Neither of those are really quite appropriate. I don't think it says anything about how scummy you are, I'm just saying you're wrong. It's a philosophical debate on how to play mafia more than anything.Crazy wrote:
I responded to your post. Were you expecting me to freak out or something?Johnny Rotten wrote:Basically, I put a vote on Crazy to pressure him and see how he reacted. When he didn't react right away, I got impatient and unvoted.
Perhaps not. You can substitute in the word "argument" or "suspicion," then.Izzy wrote:I wouldn't even call it a case, considering I haven't even voted for you.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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So you think that Albatross was trying to set a trap? Setting traps is a scummy thing to be doing; town should be able come to reasoned conclusions without the need for scummy tactics.Johnny Rotten wrote:Basically, I put a vote on Crazy to pressure him and see how he reacted. When he didn't react right away, I got impatient and unvoted.
Albatross was saying that I should have left my pressure vote on a little bit longer, cause he wanted to see how YOU reacted to the situation. But, I went and fucked it all up.
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Done right, voting for reactions can be a good tool for scumhunting.
But Johnny Rotten didn't do it right, since he didn't keep his vote there long enough.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Philosophical debates are nice and all, but any thoughts on any players' actual alignments, Dizzy?DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:Neither of those are really quite appropriate. I don't think it says anything about how scummy you are, I'm just saying you're wrong. It's a philosophical debate on how to play mafia more than anything.
If I may be so forward, may I suggest a vote on Migwelloni?-
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Note:Izzy wrote:Neither of those are really quite appropriate. I don't think it says anything about how scummy you are, I'm just saying you're wrong. It's a philosophical debate on how to play mafia more than anything.Izzy wrote: No. I don't think you could be more wrong about this. There are plenty of odd or weird things that are said during a mafia game. The vast majority are not, in the end, scummy or evidence of scumminess. These things are worthy of note, because they could form part of a case against a player when put in a wider context, but alone are just... weird. I'm sure you've seen it plenty of times - people word something in an odd way, draw an unusual conclusion from evidence presented, take an unconventional analytical approach, etc. These things are odd. They are not necessarily scummy.
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Hence the continued conversation leading to further analysis leading to the new conclusion of "wrong, but not in and of itself scummy".Crazy wrote:
Note:Izzy wrote:Neither of those are really quite appropriate. I don't think it says anything about how scummy you are, I'm just saying you're wrong. It's a philosophical debate on how to play mafia more than anything.Izzy wrote: No. I don't think you could be more wrong about this. There are plenty of odd or weird things that are said during a mafia game. The vast majority are not, in the end, scummy or evidence of scumminess. These things are worthy of note, because they could form part of a case against a player when put in a wider context, but alone are just... weird. I'm sure you've seen it plenty of times - people word something in an odd way, draw an unusual conclusion from evidence presented, take an unconventional analytical approach, etc. These things are odd. They are not necessarily scummy.
Frankly, this approach seems liek a weaselly way to attack someone whilst giving yourself some kind of policy excuse to fall back on later... which is more scummy than the behaviour you're accusing other people of.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
ChannelDelibird: ;_;
DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
DizzyIzzyB13: Sorry, CD
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Migwelloni wrote:
So you think that Albatross was trying to set a trap? Setting traps is a scummy thing to be doing; town should be able come to reasoned conclusions without the need for scummy tactics.Johnny Rotten wrote:Basically, I put a vote on Crazy to pressure him and see how he reacted. When he didn't react right away, I got impatient and unvoted.
Albatross was saying that I should have left my pressure vote on a little bit longer, cause he wanted to see how YOU reacted to the situation. But, I went and fucked it all up.
Clued in brotha?
When did I see that Albatross was setting a trap? I said that I put a pressure vote on Crazy, then took it off too soon, thereby screwing myself AND Albatross.
Also, who says that traps are scummy? If you can cleverly word things causing scum to out themselves, what is the harm in that?
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Semantics are a scummy trait. Play with words all you like, but I will question your motives every time.Also, who says that traps are scummy? If you can cleverly word things causing scum to out themselves, what is the harm in that?[color=green]You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting. In what world could you possibly beat me?[/color]-
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You are too concerned with setting traps than actually provoking real discussion.Johnny Rotten wrote:Again, who is talking about semantics?
For someone who is trying to condemn me for trying to draw out scum, you are doing a bang up job of twisting my words around.
The thing with traps is that if you set them correctly you can make town players fall into them. All you have to do is convince a few other town players to pile on board and you'll have insta-lynched a town player.
Don't use traps, instead you should foster real discussions.
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MehPlusRawr Mafia Scum
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Forgot about this game, it's my first one in Little Italy. Whoops.
He answered roughly the same as me. Why didn't you ask me the same question? (I prefer playing mafia goon to VT, by the way. It's more fun to hunt for PRs than to attempt to lynch scum, mostly because I'm bad at the latter.)Albatross wrote:dRool, do you prefer to play scum or town?
Shattered's request to prod people sounded more like a "Mod, please tell everyone the game has started" instead of a "MORE CONTENT POST PEOPLE POST", which is neither scummy nor pro-town.
Crazy's weasel words business doesn't always apply, but as he said, Drool's reaction was more scummy than the initial use of "odd"I think I'm back. Mafiascum just became 20% cooler in 10 seconds flat.-
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In his post, Johnny Rotten isn't talking about traps. You bring up a point that either a) was not being talked about or b) a point that was over.Migwelloni wrote:
You are too concerned with setting traps than actually provoking real discussion.Johnny Rotten wrote:Again, who is talking about semantics?
For someone who is trying to condemn me for trying to draw out scum, you are doing a bang up job of twisting my words around.
The thing with traps is that if you set them correctly you can make town players fall into them. All you have to do is convince a few other town players to pile on board and you'll have insta-lynched a town player.
Don't use traps, instead you should foster real discussions.
Maybe I should move my vote over to you.
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So, we're talking about traps set to catch scum, right? But Mig is saying that traps that catch town are correct.Migwelloni wrote:
You are too concerned with setting traps than actually provoking real discussion.Johnny Rotten wrote:Again, who is talking about semantics?
For someone who is trying to condemn me for trying to draw out scum, you are doing a bang up job of twisting my words around.
The thing with traps is that if you set them correctly you can make town players fall into them. All you have to do is convince a few other town players to pile on board and you'll have insta-lynched a town player.
Don't use traps, instead you should foster real discussions.
Maybe I should move my vote over to you.
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Also, what did Johnny Rotten do that was a trap? When he voted for me? How is that a trap?Crazy wrote:Migwelloni, please respond to my post #54.
I'll accept your "semantics" accusation for now, though I'd naturally disagree. I like language, though, and not all language-related discussion is bad.SV wrote:@SSSSSSS: Yes. Crazy still looks suspicious to me. All that Miller speculation, and the semantics debate. I just don't like it.
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I love language as well as the next guy, but your whole "discussion" of the thing was merely a distraction, I think.Crazy wrote:
Also, what did Johnny Rotten do that was a trap? When he voted for me? How is that a trap?Crazy wrote:Migwelloni, please respond to my post #54.
I'll accept your "semantics" accusation for now, though I'd naturally disagree. I like language, though, and not all language-related discussion is bad.SV wrote:@SSSSSSS: Yes. Crazy still looks suspicious to me. All that Miller speculation, and the semantics debate. I just don't like it.
What I want to know is why my "Miller speculation" is scummy. As in, what was my intent in doing that?
As far as your Miller thing, I never speculate on anyone's intent, because I'm not sufficiently evolved to read minds. (Yet.) However, scum skim, and you skimmed the rules. QED.Better than you. Don't doubt me; it won't end well.
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Everything that is scummy either has to be scummy because:SV wrote:As far as your Miller thing, I never speculate on anyone's intent, because I'm not sufficiently evolved to read minds. (Yet.) However, scum skim, and you skimmed the rules. QED.
a. Many scum intentionally do it because it helps them.
b. Many scum unintentionally do it because of their subconscious thought processes.
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You say AGAIN that I am setting traps, which nobody has said, but you. You say that I am using semantics, when again, only one saying it is you. Oh yeah, and you are twisting my words left and right.Migwelloni wrote:
You are too concerned with setting traps than actually provoking real discussion.Johnny Rotten wrote:Again, who is talking about semantics?
For someone who is trying to condemn me for trying to draw out scum, you are doing a bang up job of twisting my words around.
The thing with traps is that if you set them correctly you can make town players fall into them. All you have to do is convince a few other town players to pile on board and you'll have insta-lynched a town player.
Don't use traps, instead you should foster real discussions.
Maybe I should move my vote over to you.
How do you spell scum?
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