Mini 1096 - Seinfeld Mafia (Game Over)

[MagnaofIllusion]

You may claim to have a reason that you 'mysteriously' can't reveal. Whatever said reason is it has nothing to do with me being scum. Continue to gambit however you wish.

Still waiting for reasons ....

[Kmd4390]

Unvote, Vote Haschel

[MagnaofIllusion]

Unvote, Vote Haschel

Question for you KMD - is Haschel's unrevealed secret reason for a serious vote any different than MacLock's?

[Kmd4390]

Probably not, but I'm getting more frustrated with Haschel because I'm dealing with him directly. For the same reason, I expect that you are more frustrated with Mac than with Haschel.

[peanutman]

Unvote

Will catch up and post my thoughts this evening.

[Katsuki]

@freak: How is signing up for THE MOD rather than the flavor jerkish?

Comments after I read through this game later today. My wish would be for MOI posts to turn into one-liners, but I don't think that is likely to happen anytime soon.

[LimMePls]

UT says his "list".
UT takes the first opportunity to wagon a member of the list (saying "this is a wagon I can get behind").
Magna attacks UT.

Are you saying my statement about Untrod is not a valid scum-tell?

No, I'm saying you used the opportunity to distance from a guy who was distancing from you. The whole interaction just looks scummy to me. I am open to the possibility of being wrong, hence my "UT is the wagon today, not MOI" position.

Please provide the scum-tells you are relying on to qualify me as a great candidate for scum.

I don't know how else to say this. Your behavior, IN RELATION TO UT'S, looks like distancing to me. If you want a better explanation than that, I don't got it.

And if you can’t support it other than to say it is distancing please indicate how you can differentiate from Town and Scum players attacking Untrod?

I can't. Which is why UT is first. We'll go from there.

@KMD: This should answer your questions too. The interactions between UT and MOI look scummy to me. UT's was distancing, and MOI was all too happy to return the favor. The whole thing just doesn't look right to me. Especially UT finding the opportunity to vote every player that was on that list he posted (except Katsuki, yet). I'm pretty sure UT is scum, and one of the players on the list is scum. I have the unique perspective of knowing it isn't me, and I don't really see a reason why it's charter. MOI is my top pick for that position.

Comments after I read through this game later today. My wish would be for MOI posts to turn into one-liners, but I don't think that is likely to happen

anytime soon

ever.

Fixed.

[Kdub]

JERRY: Newman! She went out with Newman!
ELAINE: It must be a mistake.
JERRY: No, it isn't, and the most distressing part of it is, not that she went out with him but that HE stopped seeing her. Do you understand? He, Newman. Newman stopped seeing her. Newman never stopped seeing anybody. Newman will see whoever is willing to see him. Not so much why she did see him, as disturbing as that is, but why did HE, Newman, stop seeing her?
ELAINE: Perhaps there's...more to him than meets the eye.
JERRY: No, there's less.

Vote Count

charter (1) - Untrod Tripod
rajrhcpfreak (0) -
LynchMePls (0) -
Katsuki (0) -
peanutman (1) - bv310
MagnaofIllusion (4) - Katsuki, MacavityLock, charter, rajrhcpfreak
bv310 (0) -
Haschel Cedricson (1) - Kmd4390
Talitha (0) -
Untrod Tripod (3) - Haschel Cedricson, MagnaofIllusion, LynchMePls
Kmd4390 (0) -
MacavityLock (0) -
Not Voting (2) - Talitha, peanutman

12 votes available, 7 votes needed to lynch.

[charter]

Alright, apparently Mac is the man, since he picked Magna right. Let's break down the scummier aspects of post 38.

First, him asking people to pick one scum out of three lurkers. It first presumes that only one of them is scum. I see no reason all three can't be scum or none of them. Second, he's asking people to just pull a name out of their ass and label that person as scum.

Then, his extreme overreaction to Untrod's post 34. It seems to me that 34 was a joke, since 32 looked like a joke. I find it difficult to believe that even Untrod believes his four people are scum, and how Magna cites this as his reason for voting Untrod. Very bad, but on the surface it looks like it is legit.

Haschel gets scumpoints for agreeing with Magna's reason for voting Untrod.

KMD gets scumpoints because he voted Untrod and his town/scum list is nearly completely wrong.

And the person with the most scumpoints is......






Magna!
but I'm already voting him.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Probably not, but I'm getting more frustrated with Haschel because I'm dealing with him directly. For the same reason, I expect that you are more frustrated with Mac than with Haschel.

Fair enough.

No, I'm saying you used the opportunity to distance from a guy who was distancing from you. The whole interaction just looks scummy to me. I am open to the possibility of being wrong, hence my "UT is the wagon today, not MOI" position.

Interesting interpretation. The fact that you can’t say that it isn’t just as likely I found his play scummy and voted for him based on his horrible “Suspicion of LMP with no vote followed by back pedal unvote with no followthrough on LMP” tells me you are just blowing smoke.

I can't. Which is why UT is first. We'll go from there.

Lulz. So you can’t discern Town hunting scum UT from distancing. How again would UT flipping scum make it any more clear? That’s a rhetorical question – it wouldn’t.

Please continue to be unable to support why I might be scum other than unproven relational tells that aren’t predicated on actual scummy behaviour.

Alright, apparently Mac is the man, since he picked Magna right. Let's break down the scummier aspects of post 38.

Buddying noted. If Charter is scum Maclock is very unlikely to be scum with him.

First, him asking people to pick one scum out of three lurkers. It first presumes that only one of them is scum. I see no reason all three can't be scum or none of them. Second, he's asking people to just pull a name out of their ass and label that person as scum.

Yes, asking everyone to comment on the lurkers in an attempt to get reactions certainly is scum motivation. This is sarcasm BTW.

Then,

his extreme overreaction

to Untrod's post 34. It seems to me that 34 was a joke, since 32 looked like a joke. I find it difficult to believe that even Untrod believes his four people are scum, and how Magna cites this as his reason for voting Untrod. Very bad, but on the surface it looks like it is legit.

Bolded for emphasis is a classic unsupported statement. How is it an ‘extreme overreaction’. Be a big boy and support your assertions.

And an overreaction to 34? You must be kidding me. 34 is the classic precursor to scummy behaviour. He puts LMP on his joke scum list. Later he asserts that LMP’s 32 supports his ‘theory’ into that LMP is scum, yet when he unvotes the obv-bad bandwagon on me not a hint of his ‘scum suspect’ LMP. I’m not the only one who sees it given that both Haschel and LMP have commented on it.

Your attempt to minimize UT’s scummy behavior as ‘a joke’ is either stupid or scummy. Not sure which at this point.

Haschel gets scumpoints for agreeing with Magna's reason for voting Untrod.

KMD gets scumpoints because he voted Untrod and his town/scum list is nearly completely wrong.

Look, more inconsistency. LMP doesn’t also get scum-points as he has agreed UT’s behavior is scummy? Scumtastic.

How again is KMD’s list wrong? Is it because it lists you as Town?

[peanutman]

Reading UT in iso, I am suprised to see very little worthy of a vote at this stage in the game. I encourage everyone to read his iso in fact and see for yourself.

Looking at those on his wagon then, there's Haschel, Magna and LMP.

Haschel : I find it odd he doesn't want to explain his "he knows why" comment, but don't really see a scum motivation for it. However, what is much more bothersome is that he's stuck by that vote since RVS.
@Haschel : Are the reasons for your initial vote on UT the same as they are now? Can you point to anything in thread that's scummy about UT since?

Magna : It seems he's grasped onto one of UT's RVS comments and took that out of proportion even though he admits in iso-3 that UT was just stirring things up to get out of RVS.

LMP : Reading through him and Magna, I get an eerie feeling that he's the one doing the distancing, and the one he's distancing: Magna (and vice-versa). They are arguing over UT, who I feel has been a non-factor other than his tactic to get out of RVS.

I'll VOTE: Magna because there's support for his lynch and I feel his case on UT's RVS actions doesn't hold up (given his admission that it was a way of getting out of RVS).

[charter]

So we lynch Magnascum now, yes?

Instead of responding to my points, he just shrugs them off with sarcasm and talking them down.

[Talitha]

I've read over the thread twice now, because thought I must have missed something especially scummy from UT with people insisting he's the lynch. But I'm not seeing it... Doesn't mean he's not scum though.

The other wagon, Magna, kinda the same deal as UT.

Haschel & Macavity are both acting like they might have some kind of inside knowledge (is that even possible at this point? I can't remember how nightless game mechanics typically work) but won't say more about it. Clarity is good, people.

Meanwhile, I think raj could be scum,

vote: rajrhcpfreak

[Talitha]

Ha. Nevermind my question. It's amazing what you can find out when you actually

read

the rules post.

[charter]

You read through the thread twice and all you came up with was raj

could

be scum? Any reasons to go with that?

What do you think of Magna's UT vote?

[Talitha]

What, I have to give reasons but others can be all mysterious? It's day 1, he's on my scummish list... meh?

The UT vote was lame, I thought. I had Magna listed as 'townish' up until that vote, then shifted him to 'dunno'

[Kmd4390]

@freak: How is signing up for THE MOD rather than the flavor jerkish?

Yeah, I'm here for the playerlist. I watched Seinfeld once I think.

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LMP, ok.

By the way, the thing I noticed was that Magna and Kat were the first two to post and made Untrod's list. LMP was Untrod's vote and made the list. I was curious about where the hell Charter's name got dragged in from, but he's first on the playerlist, so scratch that theory.

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Peanut is still scum.

[Katsuki]

Comments:

- UT hop off MOI wagon feels odd. I do not get the charter vote. Noting this for future reference.
- I do not get all the shenanigans going about with UT's list. It basically consisted of the first four names that appeared in this game (MOI, myself, charter via MOI vote, and LMP via discussion).

Players who have attack said list and hung on: LMP

- Ooo look at rajr hop onto MOI wagon in #51. Bus more.
- Rajr #60 is weak.
- #69: Cute, both MOI and LMP are calling UT each other's scumbuddy.
Continuation on this point, both are throwing a shitload of smokescreens at each other as of the most recent page.
- LMP is being unusually evasive thus far.
- LMP #81 shows how he is further analyzing what was a random list from UT. Both he and MOI are paying FAR too much attention to it.
- Talitha's entrance is VERY underwhelming. Takes rather weak stances, and ends with soft vote on rajr. HMM.
- PEANUTMAN IS TOWN BY VIRTUE OF #85

Oh, and KMD is probably town as well.

SUMMARY: MOI LYNCH IS NEEDED ASAP. THEN LMP. THOSE TWO ARE SCUMBUDDYZ4LYFE.


p.s. Let me know if the bulletpoints are easy or hard to read, thanks.

[Kmd4390]

How is Peanut town?

[Katsuki]

Overall comments.

[Talitha]

I like bulletpoints, Katsuki. Agree with you on Raj & LMP... but why the hurry? No deadlines and if you truly want stronger stances from me, you'll allow me the time to form them. For example, let's discuss why lynch MOI before LMP? I do not see obvious connection between the two, and find LMP the most suspect of the two.

And, what Kmd said.

[Katsuki]

And here I thought was the point of distancing.

I had not noticed that this game has no deadlines. This shall be interesting.

As for why MOI over LMP, I feel more sure about MOI.

[LimMePls]

Katsuki trying to downplay UT's list is fascinating.

[Haschel Cedricson]

@Haschel : Are the reasons for your initial vote on UT the same as they are now? Can you point to anything in thread that's scummy about UT since?

No, they are not. I first voted UT for a particular reason, and then I left it on him because I felt post 34 was scummy.

It's a moot point though, after rereading I feel that raj is a better bet.

Unvote: Untrod Tripod; Vote: raj

Also, does anybody find it odd that Kmd wants me to explain my "He knows why" but doesn't wand LMP to explain his "He knows why", even though the two were made for differing reasons?

[LimMePls]

Maybe because mine was just making light of the fact that you always RVS saying "He knows why" and was therefore obviously not worth comment?