KTaNE [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.01

• with
  19
  votes in play, it takes
  10
  to make a decision.
  
• day 1 ends in
  (expired on 2022-04-06 19:15:00)
  .
  
• 8
  players who have the most nominations at eod1 will be bomb experts on n1.

execution:

StrangeMatter [3]:

GuiltyLion, Titus, The Bulge

Cat Scratch Fever [2]:

StrangeMatter, Greeting

PookyTheMagicalBear [2]:

catboi, Cephrir

Andante [1]:

VP Baltar

catboi [1]:

PookyTheMagicalBear

Lukewarm [1]:

Frogsterking

not voting [9]:

Lukewarm, Andante, Morning Tweet, Dwlee99, Andresvmb, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, The Praetorian, Bell

bomb expert nominations:

not nominating [19]:

catboi, PookyTheMagicalBear, Frogsterking, Lukewarm, Andante, Morning Tweet, VP Baltar, GuiltyLion, The Bulge, Dwlee99, Cephrir, Greeting, Andresvmb, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque, Titus, The Praetorian, StrangeMatter, Bell

mod notes:

• i am not counting 69. use heal tags to nominate.
  
• reminder that you can nominate more than one person at the time.

[Titus]

Datisi, can town lie about the answer if they suspect the diffuser is scum?

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Lukewarm

Based on my understanding of how the setup works then there is a clear scum motivation in 71.

Please explain

[Cephrir]

once the execution vote has been hammered and the day is over, twilight starts. the needed number of players who at that moment have the most nominations will be the night's bomb defusers.

i think this rule is supposed to say experts at the end

ok maybe getting how this works now.

we shouldn't let ALL bombs explode. at minimum we can stop 3 of them with basically no danger as long as the experts aren't all mafia. then we can learn whether we can stop more by eliming defusers.

right?

pedit: dang beaten to half of this.

[catboi]

PEDit: StrangeMatters is already out of their scum range by the way, slight townread on StrangeMatters from me.

Baffling read.

[Lukewarm]

I have found a town read, but it's probably for a dumb reason lol

I'm interested. What is your town read? What is your reason?

Titus. And a dumb thing about wording in post 36

[Cephrir]

i think for now it might be ok to treat the bomb as an optional town directed kill, we do need to understand that mafia can choose the defuser while knowing the experts though and can potentially send someone they think is being misread by the experts

[Datisi]

Datisi, can town lie about the answer if they suspect the diffuser is scum?

each player can choose to submit correct or incorrect info as they wish.

[Datisi]

once the execution vote has been hammered and the day is over, twilight starts. the needed number of players who at that moment have the most nominations will be the night's bomb defusers.

i think this rule is supposed to say experts at the end

this is correct, that rule has been fixed.

[Frogsterking]

Tigger's iso is trash. Slight townread on Ceph.

weak townreads:
StrangeMatter
Cephrir

weak scumreads:
Lukewarm
GuiltyLion

[Greeting]

I think I found out a potential way to bend the game mechanics to our advantage.

We know that scums select the bomb defuser.
We also know that we select the bomb experts.

Which gives me an idea.

We could all decide to nominate just one person each.

This way, on Day 1, we all could get 3 players to nominate a single player and end up with 6 candidates. (6*3=18; one player is left I suppose)

We also know that there will be 4 experts whom will be selected and we will know that they were selected because they had the most town votes.

Town votes, not all votes.

By doing this, we will know that at least one of the players in each grouping who nominated a player that did not get selected to be a bomb expert is scum simply because their vote was not counted.

Example:

Players in the game {A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S}

Nominations for player A: {A, B, C}
Nominations for player B: {D, E, F}
Nominations for player C: {G, H, I}
Nominations for player D: {J, K, L}
Nominations for player E: {M, N, O}
Nominations for player F: {P, Q, R}

S is left.

Night 1 we find out that the players selected were: {A, B, C, D}. Which means that scums must have been in the {M, N, O} and {P, Q, R} group who voted to nominate E and F.

I can see a potential problem though: what if the scums decide to spread amongst the groups nominating C, D, E and F? How will the tie be resolved then?

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: StrangeMatter

[StrangeMatter]

@Frogsterking, do you mean by I’m out of my scumrange there? I have played with you once, which to me wouldn’t be enough to know my scumgame.

[Frogsterking]

Huh I think the distraction of the theme is actually giving me more shitty early reads than usual. I'll just list them all before I start messing around with python to get my survey ready for the thread tonight.

PEdit:

weak townreads:
Cephrir
StrangeMatter
Greetings

weak scumreads:
Morning Tweet
Lukewarm
GuiltyLion

@Greetings

I like where you're headed keep going if you can! I have more of an artsy temperament than a science temperament so I think I'm most helpful to town establishing an early PoE than min maxing the mechanics, but I will try to help with both.

[StrangeMatter]

@Frogsterking, what do you mean by I’m out of my scumrange there? I have played with you once, which to me wouldn’t be enough to know my scum gameplay, let alone townlean.

EBWOP.

[catboi]

I think I found out a potential way to bend the game mechanics to our advantage.

We know that scums select the bomb defuser.
We also know that we select the bomb experts.

Which gives me an idea.

We could all decide to nominate just one person each.

This way, on Day 1, we all could get 3 players to nominate a single player and end up with 6 candidates. (6*3=18; one player is left I suppose)

We also know that there will be 4 experts whom will be selected and we will know that they were selected because they had the most town votes.

Town votes, not all votes.

By doing this, we will know that at least one of the players in each grouping who nominated a player that did not get selected to be a bomb expert is scum simply because their vote was not counted.

Example:

Players in the game {A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S}

Nominations for player A: {A, B, C}
Nominations for player B: {D, E, F}
Nominations for player C: {G, H, I}
Nominations for player D: {J, K, L}
Nominations for player E: {M, N, O}
Nominations for player F: {P, Q, R}

S is left.

Night 1 we find out that the players selected were: {A, B, C, D}. Which means that scums must have been in the {M, N, O} and {P, Q, R} group who voted to nominate E and F.

I can see a potential problem though: what if the scums decide to spread amongst the groups nominating C, D, E and F? How will the tie be resolved then?

This is incorrect on multiple counts (the voting for expert does not only count town votes, that would be straightforwardly gamebreaking for obvious reasons. The number of experts selected on night 1 is 8, not 4)

A for effort though.

HEAL: Greeting

for functional purposes I will equate this to a townread, there may be more practical considerations on who to nominate for an expert but those can come later.

[catboi]

VOTE: Frogsterking

[Frogsterking]

@Frogsterking, do you mean by I’m out of my scumrange there? I have played with you once, which to me wouldn’t be enough to know my scumgame.

It's enough if the player in question has a scumrange the size of a pea.

PEdit:

Catboi how are you using the "Heal" tag?

[catboi]

Code: Select all

[heal][/heal]

Simple as that.

[Greeting]

This is incorrect on multiple counts (the voting for expert does not only count town votes, that would be straightforwardly gamebreaking for obvious reasons. The number of experts selected on night 1 is 8, not 4)

A for effort though.

HEAL: Greeting

for functional purposes I will equate this to a townread, there may be more practical considerations on who to nominate for an expert but those can come later.

The rules say that:

each bomb defusal will consist of one bomb defuser

(selected by the mafia)

, and 4-2 bomb experts

(selected by the town)

.

[Titus]

I'll be nominating town I consider better than me in this game to be the experts. I recommend you do the same for round 1.

[catboi]

This is incorrect on multiple counts (the voting for expert does not only count town votes, that would be straightforwardly gamebreaking for obvious reasons. The number of experts selected on night 1 is 8, not 4)

A for effort though.

HEAL: Greeting

for functional purposes I will equate this to a townread, there may be more practical considerations on who to nominate for an expert but those can come later.

The rules say that:

each bomb defusal will consist of one bomb defuser

(selected by the mafia)

, and 4-2 bomb experts

(selected by the town)

.

I would encourage you to read slightly more critically:

the needed number of players who at that moment have the most nominations will be the night's bomb experts.

[Titus]

VOTE: Frogsterking

VOTE: catboi

Stop voting my mason.

[catboi]

VOTE: Frogsterking

VOTE: catboi

Stop voting my mason.

Don't fakeclaim mason, thanks in advance

[Frogsterking]

I don't fully understand this setup that's for sure.

Same. I assumed the bombs were mandatory because like...yeah, why would you do them otherwise????

please go read the setup again.

Fair warning, in games like this, I'll probably ask lots of dumb questions about the setup/mechanics.

scum

Their first post*

scum

My bad, Luke. UNVOTE: Luke There's probably at least one lurker scum who hasn't even said anything yet so there's no way Luke goes in the bottom of the PoE. There's also no way Luke goes in the top of the PoE because fake game solving is a part of Luke's scum range.

VP is way too self conscious compared to their town meta. This might be normal play for Bell but my intuition is that they seem way too self conscious and belong in the bottom of the PoE.