Mini 1399: Buckshot Mafia (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:18 pm

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That's the lynch.



With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to lynch


Lastsurvivor:
Rob13, Method, House Lannister, Chkflp, PeregrineV
- (LYNCH)


House Lannister:
- (L-5)

Method:
- (L-5)

Rob13:
- (L-5)

PeregrineV:
- (L-5)

inte:
- (L-5)

chauchaudotcom:
- (L-5)

havingfitz:
- (L-5)

chkflip:
Lastsurvivor
- (L-4)

Last edited by Phillammon on Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:05 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:17 pm

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Rob, Method, House, chk, me.

I guess so.
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:13 am

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With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to lynch


Lastsurvivor:
Rob13, Method, House Lannister, Chkflp, PeregrineV
- (LYNCH)


House Lannister:
- (L-5)

Method:
- (L-5)

Rob13:
- (L-5)

PeregrineV:
- (L-5)

inte:
- (L-5)

chauchaudotcom:
- (L-5)

havingfitz:
- (L-5)

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Lastsurvivor
- (L-4)


A LYNCH HAS BEEN REACHED.

Somethin' ya really don't wanna do around highly strung people is tell a lie. Thing about lies is that they get caught. An' if ya get caught lyin' around said highly strung people, they jes'... well, take what happened to th' next guy. He always was the type to be the last man standin', e'en before the whole fiasco. I guess, in his own way, he was. When he was caught lyin' about where he'd been last night, they had 'im up against a wall quick as a flash.

Let it not be said that the men of Serenity weren't sharp. Ah say this simply because in three days, they'd rooted out Johnson's killers. Night aft'r night, no-one died. An' that peace held unt'l... well, that's ah story for anoth'r time. Fer now, lets jes' say they all lived happ'ly ever after, kay?

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, was lynched Day 3


Game over! Town has won!
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:22 am

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Yay.

We already discussed a bit in the dead qt how some tweaks need to be made for balance. It certainly didn't help scum for the inventor to die, whose invention either could have eliminate their buckshot ability or narrow down the focus of the tracker and/or watcher so they couldn't essentially overlap for each other like that.

It was a fun mechanic though. I'd play a similar game again. A pretty good and active player list. It was fun for me at least.
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:35 am

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Role distribution:

Lastsurvivor- Mafia Buckshot Roleblocker
havingfitz- Mafia Buckshot Rolecop
Void- Mafia Goon
inte- Buckshot Vigilante
NovaDragon- Buckshot Inventor
Jal- Buckshot Doctor
drmyshotgun- Buckshot Tracker
House Lannister- Buckshot Watcher
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Rob13-VT
Toon Fighter- VT
ProHawk-VT


Hello, and welcome to Mini Theme #1399: Buckshot Mafia!
You are a town Citizen. You have no special abilities. You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Game thread is here

Hello, and welcome to Mini Theme #1399: Buckshot Mafia!
You are a town Buckshot Vigilante. Each night, target 3 people. You will kill one of them at random. You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

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Hello, and welcome to Mini Theme #1399: Buckshot Mafia!
You are a town Buckshot Inventor. Each night, target 3 players. You will give one of them, at random, a scope. You do not know what this scope does. You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Game thread is here


Mod Notes: Receiving a scope removes the buckshot modifier from that player.
Hello, and welcome to Mini Theme #1399: Buckshot Mafia!
You are a town Buckshot Doctor. Each night, target 3 players. One of them will be protected from dying at random. You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

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Hello, and welcome to Mini Theme #1399: Buckshot Mafia!
You are a town Buckshot Tracker. Each night, target 3 players. You will see who the 3 players targetted, but not which results apply up to which players. You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Game thread is here


Hello, and welcome to Mini Theme #1399: Buckshot Mafia!
You are a town Buckshot Watcher. Each night, target 3 players. You will see who visited each player, however, you do not get to see which visits applied to which target. You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

Game thread is here
Hello, Lastsurvivor, Havingfitz and Void, and welcome to Mini Theme #1399: Buckshot Mafia!

You are a Mafia team. You win if all townspeople are eliminated and at least one of you is alive, or if nothing can stop that from happening.

As a team, you share a nightkill. Every night, you may target 3 people. One of these people, at random, will die.

In addition, 2 of you have extra abilities:

Lastsurvivor is a Mafia Buckshot Roleblocker. Every night, he chooses 3 people. One of these players will be roleblocked.

Havingfitz is a Mafia Buckshot Rolecop. Every night, he chooses 3 people that are not on this team. He learns the role names of all three of them, but does not learn which role name applies to which person.

During the night and during the confirmation stage, you may talk here

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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:41 am

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On the subject of balance:

First up, a vast majority of the town role were either watered down or outright negative utility without knowing it. The watcher and tracker were designed in such a way that as long as you didn't outright lie, it was very hard to catch you out. The Doctor was unfortunately essentially useless, and once the first scum had gone down, even a perfect game from the vig would have been risky. In addition, the Inventor giving any of the scum a scope would have applied to the factional kill as well.

Unfortunately, I guess the given information was insufficient. Scum were caught in outright lies, the inventor died before any scopes could be given out, and there was some VERY bad luck on multiple people's parts. That said, the balance was indeed off. Sorry about that.

Night 1 Actions:
House Lannister watches Inte, NovaDragon and Havingfitz.
Chauchaudotcom tracks HavingFitz, Rob and Lastsurvivor.
Jal protects havingfitz, NovaDragon or inte- Inte is protected.
Inte shoots ProHawk, Rob13 or Lastsurvivor- ProHawk is shot.
NovaDragon scopes Inte, Method, or chauchaudotcom- Chauchaudotcom is scoped.
Havingfitz rolecops Jal, Rob and Method
Havingfitz shoots inte, NovaDragon or chauchaudotcom- NovaDragon is shot
Lastsurvivor roleblocks Inte, Nova or Jal- NovaDragon is roleblocked.

Night 2 Actions:
House Lannister watches Inte, Chauchaudotcom and Jal
Chauchaudotcom tracks Jal, HouseLannister, and Rob13
Jal protects House Lannister, inte, or Chauchaudotcom- House Lannister is protected.
Lastsurvivor shoots Inte, House Lannister or Jal- Jal is killed
Lastsurvivor roleblocks Inte, House Lannister or Jal- House Lannister is roleblocked.
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:45 am

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Well that was fun. Happy Holidays everyone!

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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:48 am

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It does indeed. My apologies on that count.

...unrelated, who are you and where did you come from?
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:50 am

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Sorry, forgot the heads temporarily. As you were.
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:51 am

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Havingfitz rolecops Jal, Rob and Method

Why were these people rolecoped? Method and Rob must have obviously been vanilla townies for you guys, and Chau basically soft claimed by stating they believed one of the people who claimed at the end of D1 were lying. If you weren't going to try and kill Lannister, that may have also been a good bet.

P-edit. It's The Zarsteroni of course.
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:58 am

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^ see? Now you're giving the scum tips. EP wanted your head on a platter. :lol:
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:59 am

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We breadcrumbed Watcher twice, once each head.
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:05 am

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My head was wanted on a platter even when it didn't make sense.

Fitz flips town! Let's go for Jal!

Unfortunately for the scum team, everything became big old POE game anyway. The sheriff role itself didn't make sense and even if there wasn't a tracker and Chau was something else, you caught way too many PRs with your role anyway for them to all be town. Given that Chau was obv town going into D2, it was narrowed down to Lastsurvivor.
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:21 am

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well I started to twitch as soon as you went all Tammy v.2.0 on me.
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:22 am

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Great game everyone! While balance was a tad off, it was still very, very fun and I think this mechanic should definitely be revisited.
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:23 am

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In post 762, Jal wrote:My head was wanted on a platter even when it didn't make sense.

Fitz flips town! Let's go for Jal!

Unfortunately for the scum team, everything became big old POE game anyway. The sheriff role itself didn't make sense and even if there wasn't a tracker and Chau was something else, you caught way too many PRs with your role anyway for them to all be town. Given that Chau was obv town going into D2, it was narrowed down to Lastsurvivor.


Game is over! =D Yay! We won! Let's Lynch Jal now!!!

Vote: Jal


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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:33 am

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GG everyone, I enjoyed it.
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:19 am

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AND I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE LYNCHED. BOO-YA-SHAKA.

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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:18 am

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The mess up with how the tracker role worked is really what fucked me over. :/

Here's the scum QT. You all can read my lovely notes I made during D3.

(I don't know if Phill posted the QC or not)
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:24 am

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In general it's a fun mechanic. Needs less town PRs though.

The watcher role was entirely redundant since there was a doctor and a tracker. And, in general, the tracker/watcher being able to track/watch everyone is just OP even if they don't know who goes to where. It gives the town too much info to work with, especially when every single PR both town and scum is in Lannister's results. And it forced me to come up with a fakeclaim when there was so much claimed town PR that I was pretty much toast even if I didn't fuck up my claim.

Jal, we targeted the two obvVTs and you because we wanted to know if you were a PR or not. The rolecop was essentially useless unless we got 3 PRs or three VTs. So we just investigated two people we were sure were VTs so we'd know what you were.
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:42 am

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This is my Last Hydra Post to EP:


EP:

Here's why I think LastSurvivor is still the best lynch for today:

He's claimed a non-confirmable role, with a non-confirmable neighbour without any breadcrumbs from either, and he is among the pool of people that coud have targeted NovaDragon on Day One.
Unless chauchau is lying, LastSurvivor's pool of targets does not match the tracker's claim.
LS's vote pattern points at him being a potential partner of a 3-man scumteam;
While both dead mafia voted out and about. Neither of the confirmed scum ever voted for his slot. Fitz only voted for his now confirmed partner because there was no other way out.
LS was MIA for the Nobody Special lynch.
LS claims to have wanted to neighbour both dead targets and the only other player he's voting.


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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:43 am

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It's pretty hilarious that we nearly managed to wring up every scum in that rush at the end of D1.
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:44 am

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Actually, Jal's death kind of gave you away... we knew she could perform actions, so killing her meant that the scum team was afraid of her ability.
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 6:59 am

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In post 772, Zar wrote:Actually, Jal's death kind of gave you away... we knew she could perform actions, so killing her meant that the scum team was afraid of her ability.


Ofc I really wanted you or inte to die over Jal.

But you know, I didn't have control over my own NK. :roll:
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:12 am

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I really like this buckshot concept, it just needs some tweaking. Perhaps instead of the tracker seeing all results from the three people, show one of them at random, but reveal who it was (so normal, but the random element is in the "who gets targeted".

By the end of D1 I was feeling confident that Method was town, in fact I got town vibes before I switched my vote... But I thought he'd play better if I put pressure on him.
I knew inte was telling the truth by "how" he said things (even before the claim I didn't suspect him). Chauchau of course was completely obvtown by the end of D1. So I chose those three because they were the most logical to me. The reason I chose Method was because I wanted him to believe my claim.

I have this habit of doing things such as switching a wagon, ignoring the thread for a few days, then forgetting why I switched in the first place... I've only done that once, but what I mean is performing an action, and then failing to be able to explain myself. But I was honest in what I posted.

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