Open 554 - omg, like, jungle republic!! + game over~~

[Justin Playfair]

Okay. I'll be away from my computer for a few minutes but I'll be back before deadline. But since this is what Thor wanted I'll wait until as close to deadline as possible before hammering, if my hammering is called for.

[Not_Mafia]

So Reinoe's claim. Actual mafia or Wolf desperation?

[Not_Mafia]

Actually Reinoe if you are mafia, you should be self hammering.

If we lynch wolf you get lynched tomorrow and then your partner is going to have get through 2 lynches with a named townie in the mix with lots of info to gleam from your wagon. If we lynch town, Wolf kills you tonight and your partner is left in 2-1-1 meaning they have to lynch wolf and survive a 1v1 LYLO. If you are mafia your best move here is to self hammer. If you don't then that's a wolf claim and you're getting lynched anyway.

[Thor665]

Vote: Majiffy

[Thor665]

@N_M - barring a Mafia counterclaim on Reinoe, I'm just going to go with 'Reinoe is Mafia' y'know?

[Thor665]

Also, town is welcome.

[Not_Mafia]

@Thor If wolf was wagoned to L-1 why would they not claim mafia?

[Thor665]

We've had both you and Justin post since then - so if he's Wolf than Mafia is Majiffy/Lia - in which case we're still doing okay.

So where's the fire, specifically?

[Thor665]

I mean, if we lynch Majiffy, and Majiffy flips Mafia, well, I'll die tonight, then lynch Reinoe tomorrow and then probably Lia on the third day - and huzzah, right?

[reinoe]

Actually Reinoe if you are mafia, you should be self hammering.

If we lynch wolf you get lynched tomorrow and then your partner is going to have get through 2 lynches with a named townie in the mix with lots of info to gleam from your wagon. If we lynch town, Wolf kills you tonight and your partner is left in 2-1-1 meaning they have to lynch wolf and survive a 1v1 LYLO. If you are mafia your best move here is to self hammer. If you don't then that's a wolf claim and you're getting lynched anyway.

Not mafia, you've seen me self hammer when I'm caught.

[Not_Mafia]

And what if Reinoe is wolf and Maiffy is VT? I don't see what is stopping that scenario, a mafia CC isn't guaranteed here, they've already shown they don't want to claim despite your push for them to. What happens then?

If Reinoe is mafia he should doing what I said in #777 for his team.

PEDIT: I've seen you self hammer as town. If you are mafia then self hammer or explain your resistance to? Respond properly to that post and tell me why as mafia your optimal move is not to self hammer

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votecount 4.13!!

Majiffy (3) ::

Justin Playfair, reinoe, Thor665 (L-1)

reinoe (3) ::

Lia, Majiffy, Not_Mafia (L-1)

not voting (0) ::

deadline is ~20 minutes from this post ::

(expired on 2014-06-09 16:00:00)

with 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch!!

[reinoe]

And what if Reinoe is wolf and Maiffy is VT? I don't see what is stopping that scenario, a mafia CC isn't guaranteed here, they've already shown they don't want to claim despite your push for them to. What happens then?

If Reinoe is mafia he should doing what I said in #777 for his team.

PEDIT: I've seen you self hammer as town. If you are mafia then self hammer or explain your resistance to? Respond properly to that post and tell me why as mafia your optimal move is not to self hammer

Only like 10 minutes and posting from my phone so I can't great answer. Have faith.

[Not_Mafia]

Let's not make this in to a game of chicken, that is bollcks and a wolf claim by Reinoe. Thor don't let your hubris about getting a mafia claim get you killed.

[Not_Mafia]

Let's not make this in to a game of chicken, that is bollcks and a wolf claim by Reinoe. Thor don't let your hubris about getting a mafia claim get you killed.

[Justin Playfair]

Not_Mafia.

If Reinoe is wolf he has just lost the game.

If Majiffy should flip mafia we will know Reinoe lied and lynch him tomorrow.
If Majiffy should flip town and the wolf does not kill Reinoe tonight then Reinoe is the wolf.
We couold ask Thor to investigate Reinoe tonight as well, if he so wished, and you think there is any other room for error.

[Not_Mafia]

Reinoe has lost the game because he got wagoned to L-1 as wolf. His only move as wolf is to claim mafia, point 3 is irrelevant because will die.

[Not_Mafia]

Thor will die*

[Justin Playfair]

Not if Majiffy is the wolf. And not if Majiffy is town. And if Majiffy is mafia then Reinoe will most certainly die in the morning.

[Not_Mafia]

If no one can answer this question then Reinoe is wolf:

Why wouldn't mafia self hammer as per #777?

Thor's hubris is getting us a sub-optimal lynch right now

PEDIT: You can talk unfounded possibilities all you want it's pointless, answer my question above or hammer Reinoe

[reinoe]

I'm @ work and typing in between calls. Not Maf please vote majif

[Justin Playfair]

These are the ONLY possibilities. There is no other. What are you even doing here?

[Not_Mafia]

I will vote Majiffy only if I am left with no other choice.

PEDIT: Seriously JP counter #777 or just stop

[Justin Playfair]

I'll hammer rather than let us no-lynch, but this is not what we should be doing. It's better than not getting scum at all, but it doesn't make sense.

[Not_Mafia]

Hammer then. I'm calling your bluff